Oregon Woes Update

[droski]

I imagine there are some kids that could never cut it academically at the California schools that Oregon can pick up as well. Not that Oregon is a bad school, but rather Cal is elite and USC and UCLA are quite formidable academically themselves.

absolutely.

Oregon is actually one of the better liberal arts schools on the west coast.

OSU, Wazzu and ASU are the only schools in the Pac-10 that aren't terribly difficult to get in to.

I'd rank em:

1) Stanford
2) Cal
3) ***la
4) USC
5) UW
6) UA
7) Oregon
8) OSU
9) WSU
10) ASU

 

[First&Tenn]

^ Marijuana, no. Gun charges, yes.

And sorta with the recruiting... Oregon isn't quite fighting with USC for the same recruits. If UofO gets kids from Cali, it's mostly JuCo's and kids under the radar that USC might not even be looking at.

In the eyes of the law, everything UT players were charged with were misdemeanors, the burglary charge is a class C felony.....

I understand where you are coming from, but I wanted to explain my logic.

Edit: Also on the recruiting point, with the coaching turnover at USC, the possible NCAA action (I still don't think much will come of it but it's worth mentioning), and the recent Oregon win over them, I think the ducks may have a window to start challenging USC for some of the better west coast players.

 

[volinbham]

The Devil made me buy this dress -- Flip Wilson

Are we still doing quotes regarding crime and punishment?

 

[milohimself]

I'd rank em:

1) Stanford
2) Cal
3) ***la
4) USC
5) UW
6) UA
7) Oregon
8) OSU
9) WSU
10) ASU

agreed, but all of them but the last three will give you a well-respected degree (some more than others obviously) in nearly anything you choose.
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[SurfDuck]

The UC system is going down hill in a hurry, and Oregon is reaping the benefits... 25% of UO is California kids and it's only going to get higher. The UC and CSU systems are a mess right now, and, frankly, none are nearly as fun of a school as UO is. Oregon is the only Pac-10 school that is like the SEC in terms of crazy fans and passion as well. UO is headed in the right direction in terms of academics and athletics, and I think a lot of has to do with our increasing national exposure, and the fact that CA kids/parents don't like the idea that tuition is getting raised 10% every year, classes are being cut, and professors are bailing.

As for arrests, here's my 2 cents:

Masoli won't play another down at Oregon.
James will be suspended for spring and will play at Neyland.

 

[wheaton4prez]

considering it took them 2 months to charge em me thinks they have the evidence. not suspending him reinforces the belief held by many that all kelly cares about is winning.

Yes. That makes so much sense! Suspending players during the off-season when nobody is even practicing does so much to get in the way of winning. :lolabove:

Kelly has always given out appropriate if not excessive punishments to players for getting into trouble. I don't expect that to change in this case.

Who is the backup to Masoli?

It had been Nate Costa who is also a senior. But, Darron Thomas was red-shirting last year. If Masoli is done, I expect it to be an open competition between those two.

You should want your coach to do something similar, especially in the football off-season. Any inaction on these matters will generally be seen in the most negative light by the media, opposing fans, etc. Events like these are what negative recruiters (those coaches down at USC possibly) live on.

How would that go for a negative recruiter? "If you go to Oregon you will commit crimes!"

I don't see how suspending players symbolically when there are no practices or games, before you know the facts serves any purpose valuable to the program. The only thing it does is risk looking like you don't stand behind your players word. It's not as if they are ultimately avoiding a penalty once the facts are known.

I'm not saying Oregon has to do the same or that UT is thus morally superior, I am just saying a precedent of "no conviction, no foul" will probably not work out favorably on several levels.

I don't think that Oregon has a "no conviction, no foul" policy. Several players have been let go from the team without any convictions. In some cases, it's the final straw after a string of offenses. In others, it's been suggested by Kelly that he knows facts that aren't public. In other words, the player may have admitted directly to him what happened before the courts ruled on it.

they also take players taht ucla, usc, and cal would never touch because of their questionable backgrounds. that policy is starting to backfire.

Every one of those schools you list would happily accept James or Masoli before these incidents, had they wanted to transfer.

And let's talk about questionable players. Hello sexual assault, hit-and-run, dope-smoking, stealing $20 Marshawn Lynch. What a model citizen Cal chose. Good thing they don't take chances on questionable characters! :good!:

absolutely.

I'd rank em:

1) Stanford
2) Cal
3) ***la
4) USC
5) UW
6) UA
7) Oregon
8) OSU
9) WSU
10) ASU

Thanks for the laugh.

Cal football admissions: Neuheisel takes aim … and fires | College Hotline

Pac-10 football: Admissions data for all schools | College Hotline

 

[milohimself]

I don't have my US News and Princeton Review login info, but the data is still there: Berkeley and UCLA are still much, much more well-respected than UofO.

You can take college hotline or whatever. I'll take the relevant national standards.

 

[Gcrop]

Not sure of the validity but....

http://twitter.com/travisdemers

Report: Oregon RB LaMichael James won't be suspended. He said/she said case. His ex wouldn't leave his appt and he tried to force her out

Report: Oregon QB Jeremiah Masoli's locker has been cleaned out....

 

[milohimself]

Sounds about right.

Who's got the edge going into spring? Darron Thomas?

 

[IPorange]

I don't have my US News and Princeton Review login info, but the data is still there: Berkeley and UCLA are still much, much more well-respected than UofO.

You can take college hotline or whatever. I'll take the relevant national standards.

Exactly. Admissions for athletes is one thing, but they are taking the same classes as are available to the general population.

 

[wheaton4prez]

I don't have my US News and Princeton Review login info, but the data is still there: Berkeley and UCLA are still much, much more well-respected than UofO.

You can take college hotline or whatever. I'll take the relevant national standards.

At some point, a lot of that is subjective and/or dependent on which program. Berkeley is well known for their journalism program. Oregon has a well respected Sports Marketing program. Etc. But, anyway, that is a different point than talking about what type of students are accepted.

According to the data I posted, athletes that go to Oregon have a slightly higher GPA on average than those that Cal accepts. Cal has better average SAT scores. So, the academic records of athletes Cal takes compared to Oregon are relatively similar. And the list that droski pulled out of his hind end is way off the mark.

 

[wheaton4prez]

Exactly. Admissions for athletes is one thing, but they are taking the same classes as are available to the general population.

Right. So it's a good indication of the quality of students they are taking in, regardless of how challenging their college work may or may not be.

The idea that Cal takes in better student athletes than Oregon is demonstrably bunk.

 

[wheaton4prez]

Not sure of the validity but....

Travis Demers (travisdemers) on Twitter

There are conflicting reports about the locker situation:

John Canzano (JohnCanzanoBFT) on Twitter

Sounds about right.

Who's got the edge going into spring? Darron Thomas?

Good question. Costa has more experience. Thomas has more athleticism. I think it's pretty even for different reasons and that we'll probably see both at different points.

 

[IPorange]

Right. So it's a good indication of the quality of students they are taking in, regardless of how challenging their college work may or may not be.

The idea that Cal takes in better student athletes than Oregon is demonstrably bunk.

They aren't going to take/will lose athletes who can't get through the classes. Classes that are geared for a better average student.

 

[milohimself]

Good question. Costa has more experience. Thomas has more athleticism. I think it's pretty even for different reasons and that we'll probably see both at different points.

I'd have to think if Kelly wants to run anything like what he did last season, Thomas will get the job. He seems to fit perfectly in the Dixon/Masoli mold.

 

[wheaton4prez]

They aren't going to take/will lose athletes who can't get through the classes. Classes that are geared for a better average student.

Better than who? By that logic, Oregon's classes are geared for equally as good students.

 

[milohimself]

At some point, a lot of that is subjective and/or dependent on which program. Berkeley is well known for their journalism program. Oregon has a well respected Sports Marketing program. Etc. But, anyway, that is a different point than talking about what type of students are accepted.

According to the data I posted, athletes that go to Oregon have a slightly higher GPA on average than those that Cal accepts. Cal has better average SAT scores. So, the academic records of athletes Cal takes compared to Oregon are relatively similar. And the list that droski pulled out of his hind end is way off the mark.

Right. So it's a good indication of the quality of students they are taking in, regardless of how challenging their college work may or may not be.

The idea that Cal takes in better student athletes than Oregon is demonstrably bunk.

Right, I know. The athletes a football program takes in versus the academic quality of the school itself are different, I know this -- But the list that Droski posted is generally how it shakes out. Depends on the major though. For instance, if I were going for film school, I'd choose USC over Berkeley. If I were going for Oceanic Sciences or Nuclear Engineering, I'd choose OSU over UCLA.

 

[IPorange]

I'm not going to waste any more time on this tangent. Oregon's athletes are just as academically accomplished as Cal-Berkeley's. Ignore the difference in diplomas...

 

[wheaton4prez]

I'd have to think if Kelly wants to run anything like what he did last season, Thomas will get the job. He seems to fit perfectly in the Dixon/Masoli mold.

Yeah. I feel guilty admitting this. But, there's a part of me that is excited to move on and see Thomas getting the full time nod. I think he has a ton of potential in this offense.

 

[wheaton4prez]

Right, I know. The athletes a football program takes in versus the academic quality of the school itself are different, I know this -- But the list that Droski posted is generally how it shakes out. Depends on the major though. For instance, if I were going for film school, I'd choose USC over Berkeley. If I were going for Oceanic Sciences or Nuclear Engineering, I'd choose OSU over UCLA.

That's what I was meaning about the different programs/majors. The difficulty of the coursework depends on the major within the school. But, the quality of students a school takes in to play sports is pretty loosely associated with their national recognition.

An athletes experience at any of these schools is different than non-athletes. They get access to different facilities, tutors. They get exceptions for attendance and don't have to work to make ends meet because they're on scholarships. I think it's safe to say that a journalism degree from Berkeley doesn't necessarily mean the same thing between an athlete and non-athlete.

 

[droski]

At some point, a lot of that is subjective and/or dependent on which program. Berkeley is well known for their journalism program. Oregon has a well respected Sports Marketing program. Etc. But, anyway, that is a different point than talking about what type of students are accepted.

According to the data I posted, athletes that go to Oregon have a slightly higher GPA on average than those that Cal accepts. Cal has better average SAT scores. So, the academic records of athletes Cal takes compared to Oregon are relatively similar. And the list that droski pulled out of his hind end is way off the mark.

One year they had slightly higher GPA at oregon. Congrats. Cal has been #2 BY A MILE in academic all americans in the pac-10. comparing that to the thugs and idiots at oregon is laughable.

I can't believe we are even arguing that one of the most respected universities in the world compares to that cow pasture in eugene. But here is the apr for the schools the past 4 years:

Pac-10 football: Examining the APR data | College Hotline

Notice cal ranks second in the pac-10 to Stanford.
Oregon ranks 7th below that great center of learning. . . ASU.

 

[milohimself]

back to the issue at hand, if I remember right, james should be in court right now. stay tuned, folks.
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[BellottiBold]

James plead guilty to 1 count of misdemeanor harassment. The whole thing is absurd if you read the sentencing report:

http://images.bimedia.net/documents/0174_001.pdf

He'll be back on campus very soon, and rightfully so.

 

[IPorange]

Probably won't miss the Tennessee game, then. Maybe not miss any games.

 

[Jewbaccah]

IDK, a player being found guilty on scholly should result in atleast one game suspension if not more. What is precedent for this? How have we handled similarlt charged and guilty parties? Other major teams?