OU Position Group Comparisons

#52
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BigOrangeTrain said:
There is no possible way OU RBs are better than ours. Yes SP is a stud but Mixon is totally unproven. Where as Hurd and Kamara are proven 5* studs. I personally think Dobbs is much better than Mayfield. There is only 2 places I see where OU has the advantage, LB and OL. And it's possible they don't have those two.

Nobody really knows how our OL will be. It could be much improved. I think it will be. It seems people are using last years OL performance for predicting this years. That's a mistake. It's possible that the OL will still be bad but it's highly unlikely. I am worried about our depth but with Dobbs, Hurd and AK the OL does not have to be stellar. As far as LB is concerned, I would give OU the edge but I don't think it's as big as some think.
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Kamara's as proven as Mixon at this level. Neither have played a down of division 1 football.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
There is no possible way OU RBs are better than ours. Yes SP is a stud but Mixon is totally unproven. Where as Hurd and Kamara are proven 5* studs. I personally think Dobbs is much better than Mayfield. There is only 2 places I see where OU has the advantage, LB and OL. And it's possible they don't have those two.

Nobody really knows how our OL will be. It could be much improved. I think it will be. It seems people are using last years OL performance for predicting this years. That's a mistake. It's possible that the OL will still be bad but it's highly unlikely. I am worried about our depth but with Dobbs, Hurd and AK the OL does not have to be stellar. As far as LB is concerned, I would give OU the edge but I don't think it's as big as some think.
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So how did OU win by 24 last season? It is basically the same players this year, both teams have newcomers that will help on both sides. OU was just as young (outside of OL), and probably younger with only 12 Seniors this year on the roster. UT was outmatched in the last meeting. Is coaching that much of a difference? Cant have it both ways...if the players are better, it has to be coaching. Homefield doesn't account for 24 points in most cases.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
There is no possible way OU RBs are better than ours. Yes SP is a stud but Mixon is totally unproven. Where as Hurd and Kamara are proven 5* studs. I personally think Dobbs is much better than Mayfield. There is only 2 places I see where OU has the advantage, LB and OL. And it's possible they don't have those two.

Nobody really knows how our OL will be. It could be much improved. I think it will be. It seems people are using last years OL performance for predicting this years. That's a mistake. It's possible that the OL will still be bad but it's highly unlikely. I am worried about our depth but with Dobbs, Hurd and AK the OL does not have to be stellar. As far as LB is concerned, I would give OU the edge but I don't think it's as big as some think.
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I agree with this.

The match-up problems for both teams are front 7 vs OL and OK has a match-up problem against our secondary.

Dobbs will be instrumental in overcoming our match-up problem this year. Worley - a sitting duck - actually still had last year's game closer than it should have been in Norman. Additionally, Worley got Bajakian'ed - four plays dialled up that were game changers and the worst calls I've ever seen from a Div I OC (and CMB would be consistent throughout the year with that).

We have the intangibles to handle our match-up problems better. If Debord doesn't catch Bajayjay game day OC disease and if we have excellent preparation and game day coaching, we should win this game in Neyland.
 
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Dpattr said:
So how did OU win by 24 last season? It is basically the same players this year, both teams have newcomers that will help on both sides. OU was just as young (outside of OL), and probably younger with only 12 Seniors this year on the roster. UT was outmatched in the last meeting. Is coaching that much of a difference? Cant have it both ways...if the players are better, it has to be coaching. Homefield doesn't account for 24 points in most cases.
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Last year OU stacked the box and ripped our QB to shreds. This year we have a very mobile QB that is proven in SEC play. Go ahead and stack the box this year and I think your d-line will be frustrated and gassed going into the 4th. UT's d-line has added much needed and high quality depth. We simply need to stop your run game as much as possible and this will be a cloud of dust game. Whomever wins will have earned it.

As for your passing game, I'm intrigued by your new QB - all I can say is this - he had better have a quick and accurate trigger. He will not have much time to pass. One could say that this game could almost be a reversal of last years game - UT's front will be in your QB's grill very fast and very often.
 
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KoachKletus said:
Last year OU stacked the box and ripped our QB to shreds. This year we have a very mobile QB that is proven in SEC play. Go ahead and stack the box this year and I think your d-line will be frustrated and gassed going into the 4th. UT's d-line has added much needed and high quality depth. We simply need to stop your run game as much as possible and this will be a cloud of dust game. Whomever wins will have earned it.

As for your passing game, I'm intrigued by your new QB - all I can say is this - he had better have a quick and accurate trigger. He will not have much time to pass. One could say that this game could almost be a reversal of last years game - UT's front will be in your QB's grill very fast and very often.
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I have said the same thing about it could be a reverse in regards of our inexperienced OL. You guys have improved at the QB position. OU will have a much more explosive receiving core (more like most OU teams), last years team just didn't have any playmakers outside of Sterling Shepherd. This has been addressed in the offseason, plus new system will allow for more opportunities for them.

One way I think OU can neutralize your defensive front if if they play really fast. I expect that. You will also see that in your first game vs Bowling Green ( I think they were second in the country in off plays per game last season). OU will also use quick swing passes to backs, both Perine and Mixon have excellent hands, and they will try to get them in space to make plays.
 
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Dpattr said:
I have said the same thing about it could be a reverse in regards of our inexperienced OL. You guys have improved at the QB position. OU will have a much more explosive receiving core (more like most OU teams), last years team just didn't have any playmakers outside of Sterling Shepherd. This has been addressed in the offseason, plus new system will allow for more opportunities for them.

One way I think OU can neutralize your defensive front if if they play really fast. I expect that. You will also see that in your first game vs Bowling Green ( I think they were second in the country in off plays per game last season). OU will also use quick swing passes to backs, both Perine and Mixon have excellent hands, and they will try to get them in space to make plays.
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Our MLB spot is still in question, so yes, the quick hits over the mid may do us some damage. However, Maggit has been known to drop into short coverage and JRM is every bit a sideline to sideline player. Hate to say it, but we have a walk on that will get playing time at MLB - this could be good or could be bad but the coaches have been very impressed with his play so far. Also have a true freshman, Kirkland, battling for the MLB spot whom I think will be very solid as the season wears on. Much respect for Oklahoma and hope everyone is healthy after the game. Do us a favor and knock ohio state down a few notches this year. Those andy's need a good punch in the mouth.
 
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KoachKletus said:
Our MLB spot is still in question, so yes, the quick hits over the mid may do us some damage. However, Maggit has been known to drop into short coverage and JRM is every bit a sideline to sideline player. Hate to say it, but we have a walk on that will get playing time at MLB - this could be good or could be bad but the coaches have been very impressed with his play so far. Also have a true freshman, Kirkland, battling for the MLB spot whom I think will be very solid as the season wears on. Much respect for Oklahoma and hope everyone is healthy after the game. Do us a favor and knock ohio state down a few notches this year. Those andy's need a good punch in the mouth.
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I think it will be a great game, lots of talent on both sides, and both should have good seasons. I am a vols season ticket holder (will be 3rd year) after moving here from Norman. I am a lifelong Sooner fan and graduate so I have to stick w my team. The only time I will root against the vols.
 
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Dpattr said:
So how did OU win by 24 last season? It is basically the same players this year, both teams have newcomers that will help on both sides. OU was just as young (outside of OL), and probably younger with only 12 Seniors this year on the roster. UT was outmatched in the last meeting. Is coaching that much of a difference? Cant have it both ways...if the players are better, it has to be coaching. Homefield doesn't account for 24 points in most cases.
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Normally I don't really respond to fans of rival teams because I think you're all just trolls who obviously don't have a cool message board. So you have to join others to pollute and troll. However I will retort. You don't know jack about our team. It's obvious by your post. How did OU win by 24? Let me explain it in very simple terms.

1. UT was the youngest team in the country last year.

2. UT was the only team in D1 that had to replace both lines.

3. Our QB was a statue. I liked Worley and supported the guy until the end but facts are facts. He was about as mobile as a rock.

4. Butch Jones was in his second year of rebuilding UT after one of the worst CFB coaches of all time.

Yes UT was overmatched. But remember, there were a few plays in that game that if had gone differently, could have changed the game completely. We may have the same players as last year but they will be improved. Also we don't have a statue in the QB position anymore. And home field advantage means a lot more than you think. So please do me a favor and don't try and pretend like you know something about our team. I still cannot fathom why Freak allows you trolls to contaminate our message board.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Normally I don't really respond to fans of rival teams because I think you're all just trolls who obviously don't have a cool message board. So you have to join others to pollute and troll. However I will retort. You don't know jack about our team. It's obvious by your post. How did OU win by 24? Let me explain it in very simple terms.

1. UT was the youngest team in the country last year.

2. UT was the only team in D1 that had to replace both lines.

3. Our QB was a statue. I liked Worley and supported the guy until the end but facts are facts. He was about as mobile as a rock.

4. Butch Jones was in his second year of rebuilding UT after one of the worst CFB coaches of all time.

Yes UT was overmatched. But remember, there were a few plays in that game that if had gone differently, could have changed the game completely. We may have the same players as last year but they will be improved. Also we don't have a statue in the QB position anymore. And home field advantage means a lot more than you think. So please do me a favor and don't try and pretend like you know something about our team. I still cannot fathom why Freak allows you trolls to contaminate our message board.
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Actually I do know Jack. Im a Vol season ticket holder. I was just checking with you. Every player on the Vols is not the best player at their position in the country though. In fact Sec Coaches put one on the first team. CFN news put the Vols RB's 9th in the SEC. Outside of this board there are different opinions of where this team is at right now. All we know is last year they barely made a bowl. Will they be improved? No doubt! Do I want them to win them all but the OU game. Yes. (I am a life long Sooner fan and graduate and moved here from Norman). I hope they put everything together this season. Right now OU is probably a better football team all around than UT, but we will see very soon.
 
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BACKDOC said:
I would not use the word electric, and UT kick returners in the same sentence.
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Berry averaged 29.5 yards per kick return last year, good for enough for 7th best in the country. Sutton, 11 yds per punt return, good enough for 13th best in the country. Both showed flashes of "electric" IMO.
 
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Dpattr said:
Actually I do know Jack. Im a Vol season ticket holder. I was just checking with you. Every player on the Vols is not the best player at their position in the country though. In fact Sec Coaches put one on the first team. CFN news put the Vols RB's 9th in the SEC. Outside of this board there are different opinions of where this team is at right now. All we know is last year they barely made a bowl. Will they be improved? No doubt! Do I want them to win them all but the OU game. Yes. (I am a life long Sooner fan and graduate and moved here from Norman). I hope they put everything together this season. Right now OU is probably a better football team all around than UT, but we will see very soon.
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I wish there was sound...so I could read this in the voice that I think you sound and look like and post it here...
 
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#64
owenfieldreams said:
From the OU perspective.....

QB: Vol
RB: OU
WR: even
OL: VOL
DL: even
LB: OU
DB: Vol
ST: OU

Our OL is our biggest question mark, followed by our secondary.
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I think the RB group is even maybe a slight edge to OU.

Btw, I was typing "RB group"on my phone and it corrected to "Arab group".
Phone's racist, imo.
 
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owenfieldreams said:
I know your DL is great but many are saying that ours will be the best since we had Gerald McCoy. Our front seven, as a group, is outstanding. Finally, I expect our DB to be much improved for far too many reasons to go into here. I hope our depth chart gets published over the weekend so I can give you a more thorough review. Again, this is a hard Sooner squad to analyze. Lots of talent but unproven and coming off a terrible year.
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Can you comment on your expectations on OU defensive speed to protect the perimeter? In watching your spring game, it looked like your perimeter D was a little slow, and were beaten there repeatedly in the running game.

Not saying they are. Just a perception.
 
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Dpattr said:
So how did OU win by 24 last season? It is basically the same players this year, both teams have newcomers that will help on both sides. OU was just as young (outside of OL), and probably younger with only 12 Seniors this year on the roster. UT was outmatched in the last meeting. Is coaching that much of a difference? Cant have it both ways...if the players are better, it has to be coaching. Homefield doesn't account for 24 points in most cases.
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OU won by 21 last season because we had a struggling OL and a statue QB in the pocket. OU could blitz all day long and crash in to where they knew Worley would be.

With Dobbs, this all changed. Watch some footage of him last year, and this year in spring training, and you'll see that they roll him out much more. If you crash in this year, you'll find empty space and Dobbs either getting the corner on you, or throwing in the direction that the blitz came from.

Watch the Bama game. With Worley in the first half, it looked like a replay of the OU game. He got hurt and Dobbs went in. We outscored and outplayed Bama the rest of the game.

That was the difference made within a game, much less over the course of a spring. If you expect to come in and dominate UT this year, based off of last year, you may need a prescription on hand to mediate the emotional lows of actually watching the game, vs expectations. :)
 
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Dpattr said:
One way I think OU can neutralize your defensive front if if they play really fast. I expect that. You will also see that in your first game vs Bowling Green ( I think they were second in the country in off plays per game last season). OU will also use quick swing passes to backs, both Perine and Mixon have excellent hands, and they will try to get them in space to make plays.
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Our D line has practiced against up-tempo all off-season, since UT is an up-tempo team as well. And in case you didn't notice, our D practices against a LOT of swing and screen passes. Our defensive secondary will probably be one of the best you see all year. If you rely on swings and screens, with our speed and skill in the secondary, it may be a long day for you--later, rather than Sooner, if you will. :)
 
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Dpattr said:
Actually I do know Jack. Im a Vol season ticket holder. I was just checking with you. Every player on the Vols is not the best player at their position in the country though. In fact Sec Coaches put one on the first team. CFN news put the Vols RB's 9th in the SEC. Outside of this board there are different opinions of where this team is at right now. All we know is last year they barely made a bowl. Will they be improved? No doubt! Do I want them to win them all but the OU game. Yes. (I am a life long Sooner fan and graduate and moved here from Norman). I hope they put everything together this season. Right now OU is probably a better football team all around than UT, but we will see very soon.
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. (<- That's a grain of salt...)
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Normally I don't really respond to fans of rival teams because I think you're all just trolls who obviously don't have a cool message board. So you have to join others to pollute and troll. However I will retort. You don't know jack about our team. It's obvious by your post. How did OU win by 24? Let me explain it in very simple terms.

1. UT was the youngest team in the country last year.

2. UT was the only team in D1 that had to replace both lines.

3. Our QB was a statue. I liked Worley and supported the guy until the end but facts are facts. He was about as mobile as a rock.

4. Butch Jones was in his second year of rebuilding UT after one of the worst CFB coaches of all time.

Yes UT was overmatched. But remember, there were a few plays in that game that if had gone differently, could have changed the game completely. We may have the same players as last year but they will be improved. Also we don't have a statue in the QB position anymore. And home field advantage means a lot more than you think. So please do me a favor and don't try and pretend like you know something about our team. I still cannot fathom why Freak allows you trolls to contaminate our message board.
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True. Remember also, the score could have been more had OU not settled for FG's.

This is Butch's third year. Time to see if he is coaching up the 5* studs I keep hearing about or if they are stagnant. I remember a team that was always getting 4-5* studs and still getting hammered (ala Mack Brown).

Never believed for a moment that Worley should have been the starter. But that's water under the bridge. Dobbs is more mobile, that's for certain but accuracy will be key in this game.
 
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As it pertains to our D speed.....several likely starters were held out of the spring game so I wouldn't consider that a decent barometer.

It is rare that anyone calls OU slow. If there is a trademark of Stoops teams its overall team speed. In fact, speed has been a hallmark of the Sooners going back to the Wilkinson days.

The most criticized aspect of our D recently as it relates to basic fundamentals has been our tackling. We have been a poor tackling team for the past few years and this is uncharacteristic of Stoops coached teams.

Back to the skill positions debate......while neither have yet to take a snap for OU in a real game two newcomers are getting rave reviews and if the comments are correct, they will add firepower to a potentially deadly O. recently, in an interview, a veteran player made this comment & I paraphrase....Most fans think that Perine and Shepherd are the two best players on our O. If you ask members of the team, they would say that neither is even the best at his position. Both Mixon and DeDe Westbrook have been dazzling in fall camp. In fact, I would say that Mixon is the best football player I have ever played with.

Westbrook is a JUCO transfer with blazing speed and should compliment Sterling Shepherd nicely in the WR group. Mixon was the #1 rated all-purpose back in the country when he came out of California. The new O scheme is predicated on a fast pace and getting the ball out quickly to our playmakers. If its clicking a mediocre O-line may not be as big a problem as some think and the number of playmakers we have means that the opposing D will have problems keying on any one threat.

This still doesn't remedy my concerns about our O-line, particularly at the tackle positions. The depth chart should come out Monday but it appears that RS freshman Orlando Brown has won the LT start. (yes, this is the Orlando Brown who originally committed to Tennessee). The plugged in starter has been moved to RT. Also, a RS freshman, Jonathon Alvarez, has beaten out JR Jamal Danley for the starting LG position. So, 2 RS freshmen on the left side of the O-line.....we shall see.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Neither Kamara nor Mixon have suited up on a D-1 field so they're a wash at this point cause no one knows. So the RB comparison right now is Hurd vs Perine. Granted we had a crappy OL but you can't help but give the edge to Perine in that scenario. A 1700 yard back as a true FR is phenomenal.
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We're not allowed to use logic on this board.
 
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I should have mentioned special teams as well. Stoops' special teams have historically been very good. Alex Ross, one of our RB's made the pre-season AP first team all-America team as a return man. I expect DeDe Westbrook, the afore mentioned JUCO transfer to return punts. There continues to be a battle for kicking duties between returning player Jack Steed and phenom #1 rated recruit Austin Seibert. One may punt and one may kick off and handle FG & point after duties but not sure which will do either.
 
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Dpattr said:
I think it will be a great game, lots of talent on both sides, and both should have good seasons. I am a vols season ticket holder (will be 3rd year) after moving here from Norman. I am a lifelong Sooner fan and graduate so I have to stick w my team. The only time I will root against the vols.
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Welcome to the most beautiful state in the nation! I hope Oklahoma has a great season, especially if we win the game because it will help us in SOS.
 
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A very balanced matchup for what should be a very fun game to watch. I give 3 pts to the home team and subtract 7 from the team with a brand new scheme in one of their first games of the season. Vols win by 10 in a contest dominated by both DL's. I suspect the turnover battle will be the big deciding point of who won. I highly doubt either team marches it up and down the field.
 
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