Our Backcourt

#26
#26
Thunder Good-Oil said:
That doesn’t make sense. Jordan Bone. Lamonte Turner. Kevin Punter. Keon Johnson. Jaden Springer. Kennedy Chandler. Santiago Vescovi. Who is saying that?
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Bone was great and should've stayed another year. Turner was solid. Punter was a great scorer. Keon Johnson and Jaden Springer had some good moments, but didn't meet expectations and probably should've both stayed another year. Chandler was solid but inconsistent like most freshmen. He had some moments of greatness. So much potential if he had stayed another year.

Vescovi is the worst of all the guys listed. He is a role player and the fact that he has such a HUGE role on this team is not always a good thing. He's smart and plays hard, but he is an inconsistent shooter and not super athletic. When he isnt hitting threes, he is a liability. ZZ plays as hard as anybody and if he were 5 inches taller he would be a star. The problem is that he tries to play like he is 5 inches taller and it rarely works. ZZ should be benched every time he drives into contact without passing out.
 
#27
#27
jaguinn5 said:
Bone was great and should've stayed another year. Turner was solid. Punter was a great scorer. Keon Johnson and Jaden Springer had some good moments, but didn't meet expectations and probably should've both stayed another year. Chandler was solid but inconsistent like most freshmen. He had some moments of greatness. So much potential if he had stayed another year.

Vescovi is the worst of all the guys listed. He is a role player and the fact that he has such a HUGE role on this team is not always a good thing. He's smart and plays hard, but he is an inconsistent shooter and not super athletic. When he isnt hitting threes, he is a liability. ZZ plays as hard as anybody and if he were 5 inches taller he would be a star. The problem is that he tries to play like he is 5 inches taller and it rarely works. ZZ should be benched every time he drives into contact without passing out.
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And none of them gave TN “good guard play”?
 
#28
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jaguinn5 said:
Bone was great and should've stayed another year. Turner was solid. Punter was a great scorer. Keon Johnson and Jaden Springer had some good moments, but didn't meet expectations and probably should've both stayed another year. Chandler was solid but inconsistent like most freshmen. He had some moments of greatness. So much potential if he had stayed another year.

Vescovi is the worst of all the guys listed. He is a role player and the fact that he has such a HUGE role on this team is not always a good thing. He's smart and plays hard, but he is an inconsistent shooter and not super athletic. When he isnt hitting threes, he is a liability. ZZ plays as hard as anybody and if he were 5 inches taller he would be a star. The problem is that he tries to play like he is 5 inches taller and it rarely works. ZZ should be benched every time he drives into contact without passing out.
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If SV isn’t any good, why do the SEC coaches keep voting him to the all-SEC team?
 
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#30
walkenvol said:
If SV isn’t any good, why do the SEC coaches keep voting him to the all-SEC team?
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I didn't say he's not any good. I said he is a role player and named his deficiencies: not very athletic, inconsistent shooter. He is a solid player and a solid shooter, but thats ALL he brings to the table. The fact that he is often our number one option for scoring is not a good thing. When his shots aren't landing, our entire offense suffers for it because qe don't have anyone who can consistently score night in and night out.

As far as SEC first team voting, good for him. He did enough last year to earn it, but let's not pretend that he was a top 50 player in the country or anything. He is a shooter. Shooters get points. He's an important part of this team, but the whole point is that any team who has SV as their leading scorer is probably not going to be a good offensive team.
 
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He will get you 12 points a game on average, but you never know if you'll 5 points or 20 points away.
 
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jaguinn5 said:
I didn't say he's not any good. I said he is a role player and named his deficiencies: not very athletic, inconsistent shooter. He is a solid player and a solid shooter, but thats ALL he brings to the table. The fact that he is often our number one option for scoring is not a good thing. When his shots aren't landing, our entire offense suffers for it because qe don't have anyone who can consistently score night in and night out.

As far as SEC first team voting, good for him. He did enough last year to earn it, but let's not pretend that he was a top 50 player in the country or anything. He is a shooter. Shooters get points. He's an important part of this team, but the whole point is that any team who has SV as their leading scorer is probably not going to be a good offensive team.
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You said he’s only a role player - yet every team we play game plans on how to contain him. He leads our team in scoring and averages 4.1 rebounds and 2.3 steals yet you declare him unathletic? I don’t think you understand there’s more athletic traits besides leaping ability.
 
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walkenvol said:
You said he’s only a role player - yet every team we play game plans on how to contain him. He leads our team in scoring and averages 4.1 rebounds and 2.3 steals yet you declare him unathletic? I don’t think you understand there’s more athletic traits besides leaping ability.
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We will miss him when his career is over. The lack of basketball knowledge in realizing this is perplexing .
 
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jaguinn5 said:
He will get you 12 points a game on average, but you never know if you'll 5 points or 20 points away.
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Yeah when a team chooses to play 4 on 4, he’s going to get shut down. Most all players can get shut down if a defense concentrates on denying him the ball. That’s exactly what Michigan did. 4on4 should favor the offense overwhelmingly. The other 4 didn’t produce. That’s on them.
 
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#40
wmcovol said:
I don’t understand why our opponents scheme their defense to eliminate such unathletic players!
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I don’t agree with the poster calling him a role player but he’s definitely limited athletically. But so was Lofton who just had his number hung in the rafters. Vescovi is a smart defender just like Lofton was as well. He’s able to bring more than just shooting.

Much easier to shut down Vescovi though as Lofton had a much quicker release and leaned backwards to create space. Vescovi definitely needs to be more set with his shot.
 
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#41
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Yeah, the problem is that when Vescovi gets shutdown by the other team, we don't have other players that are willing or capable to step up in his place at this point in the season. The Michigan game from last year should serve as a warning even though KC also stepped up in that game.

ZZ tried but his deficiencies have already been discussed in this thread.

JJJ hasn't really developed the alpha mindset to do it even though he's a senior. Would really like to see him start driving to the hole consistently at some point before his career is over.

ORN is too inconsistent against really good competition.

I guess the hope is that Phillips gets to that point by the end of the season, but he's a freshman.

Lastly, I really wish that Key would have been the focal point of the offense in the last four minutes of the UK game. He was actually making things happen on the offensive end and he has a scoring mentality, but he just hasn't shown it yet this season. I think that he is still deferring too much to the established veterans on the team. Hopefully, the UK loss woke him up and he becomes more aggressive going forward. He was actually showing some emotion during that game.

Just my 2 cents.
 
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#42
#42
cbrown said:
While I think our backcourt is solid, I think there are significant deficiencies with each player. As good as SV has been, he lacks overall athleticism when compared to most SEC guards. Teams have been able to successfully neutralize him at times. ZZ is gutsy, but his height causes him to miss quite a few layups. You also can’t rely on him to take the last shot in a one-score game. It’s much easier to affect a shorter player’s shot if you know he has to shoot it. It just looks like TK is a bit over his head in the SEC.

It’s a good backcourt, and we will and have won a lot of games with these guys, but my expectation of advancing far in the tourney isn’t high. I really wish we had a guy that had the mindset and athleticism to go get a basket when the offense is in the tank.
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I can't remember him missing a layup before this game he was playing with an injured leg. Did not practice the day before the game. Please point out games where he missed layups sans UK game.
 
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KTrain said:
I can't remember him missing a layup before this game he was playing with an injured leg. Did not practice the day before the game. Please point out games where he missed layups sans UK game.
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ZZZ has missed too many layups this season but not at the rate of the KY game.
 
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#45
#45
wmcovol said:
I don’t understand why our opponents scheme their defense to eliminate such unathletic players!
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Finding a guy who's a great athlete and a great shooter is always the goal, but those guys are like gold and everyone wants them. If we're destined to be a defense first, last, always type program, then we need to recruit to it. Get length and get athletes. I can recall some of those UofL teams that were a nightmare to match up with. So much length and athleticism that it boggled the mind. You just knew it was gonna be a long, long night when you played them. Since Barnes really isn't an offensive guru, we might as well embrace who and what we are in recruiting. Unless you get one of those generational type shooters who have unlimited range like Lofton, guys like Vescovi and Key shouldn't be on the radar going forward. Too short, too slow. Liabilities when you get to a certain level of competition.
 
#47
#47
CAVPUT said:
Finding a guy who's a great athlete and a great shooter is always the goal, but those guys are like gold and everyone wants them. If we're destined to be a defense first, last, always type program, then we need to recruit to it. Get length and get athletes. I can recall some of those UofL teams that were a nightmare to match up with. So much length and athleticism that it boggled the mind. You just knew it was gonna be a long, long night when you played them. Since Barnes really isn't an offensive guru, we might as well embrace who and what we are in recruiting. Unless you get one of those generational type shooters who have unlimited range like Lofton, guys like Vescovi and Key shouldn't be on the radar going forward. Too short, too slow. Liabilities when you get to a certain level of competition.
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You’re saying our offense and defense would be better with a Mashack in place of Vescovi?
 
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#48
#48
One thing I don’t understand is why our bigs aren’t getting dunks off ZZs layups? He beats his man off the dribble and drives to the basket, a big man comes over to block his shot; whoever that big man was guarding should roll straight to the basket. ZZ at that point can try to hit the shot or alley oop pass to the rolling big man. As long as he doesn’t get it blocked, he’s done his job. Teams like Kentucky do this all the time. Our bigs need to go strong and clean up the miss.
 
#50
#50
jaguinn5 said:
I didn't say he's not any good. I said he is a role player and named his deficiencies: not very athletic, inconsistent shooter. He is a solid player and a solid shooter, but thats ALL he brings to the table. The fact that he is often our number one option for scoring is not a good thing. When his shots aren't landing, our entire offense suffers for it because qe don't have anyone who can consistently score night in and night out.

As far as SEC first team voting, good for him. He did enough last year to earn it, but let's not pretend that he was a top 50 player in the country or anything. He is a shooter. Shooters get points. He's an important part of this team, but the whole point is that any team who has SV as their leading scorer is probably not going to be a good offensive team.
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Along with being probably the best help defender in the SEC.. dudes been top 5 in steals in the SEC the past 2 years.
 
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