Our Backcourt

#52
#52
walkenvol said:
IMPOSSIBLE - he’s an unathletic role player whose only talent is perimeter shooting. I read this right here on VN!
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I mean the guy averaged over 2 steals 3 assists 4 rebounds and 13 a game to go with less than 2 turnovers and fouls and 30 minutes a game.. he has improved in every phase of the game year in year out with the exception of free throw shooting which weirdly goes down a bit every year and this is his worst year from 3 but his best for overall FG%. Maybe its the fact he's stepped up his game in other phases its taking away from his shooting but its not like he's a bad shot he's just really good instead of great thus far this year.

I know some will look at 4 rebounds and 3 assists and think that's not much but. for a college guard, that's pretty high. 6 assists a game would put you in the top 10 NATIONALLY. 10+ assists in college is pretty rare, most Elite PGs average like 5. the college game is not like the NBA where scores regularly are in the 100's. Think of it like this Gonzaga leads the Nation in scoring with 87 a game. The lowest-scoring team in the NBA (heat) averages 109. Vescovi puts up some really impressive numbers when you take into context this offense and his responsibilities and the same can be said of all the guards in this offense.

I think our backcourt is just fine. I just wish we could see some development from Edwards.
 
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#53
My point is not that he is a bad player. My point is that he should not be oir main offensive weapon, and the fact that he IS our number one option for scoring is not a good thing. We need one or two consistent go to offensive options and we dont have that. If we did, Santiago would still be a good glue guy/shooter/leader and our team wouldn't have these games where they just look lost when his shots aren't falling.

Watch how we look on offense tonight without SV. I bet we look lost a lot of the time because they rely too heavily on SV when he isnt that guy.
 
#54
#54
jaguinn5 said:
My point is not that he is a bad player. My point is that he should not be oir main offensive weapon, and the fact that he IS our number one option for scoring is not a good thing. We need one or two consistent go to offensive options and we dont have that. If we did, Santiago would still be a good glue guy/shooter/leader and our team wouldn't have these games where they just look lost when his shots aren't falling.

Watch how we look on offense tonight without SV. I bet we look lost a lot of the time because they rely too heavily on SV when he isnt that guy.
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hmmm not so far
 
#59
#59
walkenvol said:
Mashack had a rough night
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he gave JJJ and Phillips a bit of rest.... that's enough 1 turnover and 1 rebound is fine with me. Looks like he played most of his minutes at the 3 and 4 anyway. James and ZZ pretty much played the whole game.
 
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#60
cncchris33 said:
Huh? What position does his skill-set lend itself to if not PG? He's our best ball-handler, the best at getting to the paint off the dribble, a very good facilitator, and a decent enough shooter.
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Santi is the better ball handler. ZZ is just a little too loose with his dribble and gets his pocket picked like this game.
 
#61
#61
walkenvol said:
You said he’s only a role player - yet every team we play game plans on how to contain him. He leads our team in scoring and averages 4.1 rebounds and 2.3 steals yet you declare him unathletic? I don’t think you understand there’s more athletic traits besides leaping ability.
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Yeah Santi is just one of the best rebounding guards we’ve had ever, has been guarding other teams best players most of this year, and can be argued he’s one of our top 10 shooters in Vol history which is saying something. Plus he’s obviously playing with a injured shoulder which can be very painful. Look how bad our offense played without him on the floor. UGLY
 
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#62
Thunder Good-Oil said:
ZZ’s not a PG? I didn’t get that memo.
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This myth needs to be stepped on. He’s about as PG as it gets. He has one game of missing layups due to being rusty, and suddenly there’s a geometry and spin problem due to his height. Santi, one of the best guards in the country, is not SEC quality. Our fans are becoming redneck Cliff Clavens.
 
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#63
vol94 said:
Point guard play is critical to advance in March Madness. The way this team is built, TN needs a point guard that can score when Vescovi and others go cold. (See KC Vs Michigan last yr- though we lost).

1. Z doesn’t consistently finish at the rim.
2. I don’t see him as the “go to” guy when we are down one with last shot.

He is a tenacious defender with a ton of heart, so I root for the kid and he’s one of my favorite players.


Thanks for the discussion as I look forward to you reading your response.
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The way this offense is built, the distribution point can shift from point to wing, or from outside in to inside out. There is nothing about the offense that is dependent on a position scoring. The offense is built to work screens, cuts and motion to get the best shot and make defenses overcommit to open lanes. ZZ has improved to the point of being an excellent PG in this system. He had on off night against KY from lack of practice. It’s not a trend.
 
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Stoerner Fumbles said:
This myth needs to be stepped on. He’s about as PG as it gets. He has one game of missing layups due to being rusty, and suddenly there’s a geometry and spin problem due to his height. Santi, one of the best guards in the country, is not SEC quality. Our fans are becoming redneck Cliff Clavens.
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Preach on.
 
#66
#66
Stoerner Fumbles said:
This myth needs to be stepped on. He’s about as PG as it gets. He has one game of missing layups due to being rusty, and suddenly there’s a geometry and spin problem due to his height. Santi, one of the best guards in the country, is not SEC quality. Our fans are becoming redneck Cliff Clavens.
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Why was ZZ rusty and missed practice? I missed something.
 
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#70
aWhiteLoftonChism said:
Santi is the better ball handler. ZZ is just a little too loose with his dribble and gets his pocket picked like this game.
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I think that is debatable. Santi also couldn't go to his right as a sophomore, either. It is probably more accurate to say Vescovi is the safer ball-handler, but ZZ is the more dynamic/crafty/quicker ball-handler.
 
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#71
Stoerner Fumbles said:
This myth needs to be stepped on. He’s about as PG as it gets. He has one game of missing layups due to being rusty, and suddenly there’s a geometry and spin problem due to his height. Santi, one of the best guards in the country, is not SEC quality. Our fans are becoming redneck Cliff Clavens.
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Some of the takes on this board are wild, and seems to be more and more of them which is making it tougher and tougher for me to frequent this board it feels like. Zeigler is one of the better PG’s in the league, he’s only current SEC player averaging over 10ppg 4apg 2spg. He won’t be a NBA pick due to his size, and that’s great for us, people often seem to forget he’s just a sophomore, but I would be pretty surprised if he’s not All-SEC at years end.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I think that is debatable. Santi also couldn't go to his right as a sophomore, either. It is probably more accurate to say Vescovi is the safer ball-handler, but ZZ is the more dynamic/crafty/quicker ball-handler.
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I’ll give you quicker but not crafty.
Either way I enjoy watching them play. Both are fearless
 
#73
#73
CAVPUT said:
Finding a guy who's a great athlete and a great shooter is always the goal, but those guys are like gold and everyone wants them. If we're destined to be a defense first, last, always type program, then we need to recruit to it. Get length and get athletes. I can recall some of those UofL teams that were a nightmare to match up with. So much length and athleticism that it boggled the mind. You just knew it was gonna be a long, long night when you played them. Since Barnes really isn't an offensive guru, we might as well embrace who and what we are in recruiting. Unless you get one of those generational type shooters who have unlimited range like Lofton, guys like Vescovi and Key shouldn't be on the radar going forward. Too short, too slow. Liabilities when you get to a certain level of competition.
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I’d take a Santi Vescovi caliber player every 2 years please! The “just got off the plane” LSU his freshman year should be enough to warrant a lifetime of respect from Volnation.
 
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