Our offense was bad

[LouderVol]

Offense onky has looked good under Hooker. Not the games before him and not the games after him. I don’t think CJH can adjust. His QB must be lights out accurate and quick or his offense is stagnant. Time will tell if I’m wrong. I hope I am.

lol. that is every offense.

look at Deboer. he looked like an offensive genius at Washington with Penix. Put him at Bama and his offense looks suspect under Milroe.

Georgia's offense looked incredibly meh until Beck picked up that run against us.

Ohio State lost to Michigan when their qb had the worst game of the year against them. If Will Howard goes for 19/33 for 175 1 TD and 2 Ints against us, that game is very different.

ND is a little different, because they rely on the QB run game more than the lights out passing from him. but you take away his best aspect and they don't look so good.

Penn State didn't complete a pass to their WRs and lost to ND.

Sark's results at Texas are purely based on QB play. Ewers has a down game, and their offense can't punch it in from 1 yard line.

I really want to know what offense looks good with subpar QB play? because its definitely not a Heupel specific issue.

 

[LAVol1]

Agreed. This entire debacle started with the wrong hire (Kiffin) when the job was very attractive. Since then (pre Heupel), it’s been a dumpster fire except for a flash in the pan thanks to talent overcoming inept coaching (2016). And I still say Heupel and Golesh win a natty with that 2016 squad.

The hire was not wrong. The contract was bad He should have had an iron-clad contract that he couldn't leave until after a minimum of 5 years. Both parties would have been better off.

 

[BanditVol]

Maybe our off day was OSU I remember longing for 8,9, wins or more post Coach PF. I’m not defending him but I am 100% happier now than the crap show after him. We have seen what the wrong hire can do. If CPF were that bad we would not have had a problem getting a replacement NOBODY WANTED THE JOB. Let’s not allow nega Vols and trolls to control the narrative. We are top 10 this year and in the Playoffs. You will never please some!!!!

Its just a shame you can't like a post more than once. 100% agree with this.

 

[Orangecrush#27]

So was Oregon's
So was Texas's

I say that tongue in cheek for perspective. Ohio State had multiple NFL dudes who decided to come back for this year. They came alive during the playoff.

Had we played Penn state's schedule, we would have been in the national championship.

It definitely was a rough year on offense. The difference in this offense and the old Tennessee offense that couldn’t move the ball past midfield. It was always self inflicted wounds. I’ve never seen a team come up with so many ways to screw up a red zone opportunity I’ll chalk it up to a freshman qb , one positive thing is it can only get better next season.

 

[NEO]

lol. that is every offense.

look at Deboer. he looked like an offensive genius at Washington with Penix. Put him at Bama and his offense looks suspect under Milroe.

Georgia's offense looked incredibly meh until Beck picked up that run against us.

Ohio State lost to Michigan when their qb had the worst game of the year against them. If Will Howard goes for 19/33 for 175 1 TD and 2 Ints against us, that game is very different.

ND is a little different, because they rely on the QB run game more than the lights out passing from him. but you take away his best aspect and they don't look so good.

Penn State didn't complete a pass to their WRs and lost to ND.

Sark's results at Texas are purely based on QB play. Ewers has a down game, and their offense can't punch it in from 1 yard line.

I really want to know what offense looks good with subpar QB play? because its definitely not a Heupel specific issue.

OSU lost to Mich because the game plan was run heavy and they didn’t even target their top receiver second half. Day and his ego wanted to prove they could run the ball and win and he was wrong. It was gameplan.

 

[hUTch2002]

The vols would not be in the championship with any playoff schedule this year it is cold hard facts, Im having a hard time seeing UT get into round 2 anywhere, and I'm ready for the replies as truth is hated here. We are about equal to Indiana, likely worse. Boise may have been our W, I don't think Tenn beats SMU first though.
Without Sampson, our offense is absolutely trash, like garbage bad, JG days bad, we run 5 plays over and over because the coaches know it is a steaming turd. We had about 2 more plays than JG&Pruitts schemes thanks to Sampson. Without him, we would never be allowed a pass due to adjusted coverage, even then when they did 8Boxes, we didn't.
We had to even run him plays that didnt reveal his full potential, having to use basic OL blocking plays vs complex movement. Thankfully Spraggins and Cooper helped with Sampson. Without Sampson UT would have lost 4 games, because if they didnt have to plan for Dylan, any team would just blitz us all day long or cover screens sans the JG days. WR and QB are bottom feeders of the SEC level-- Oline being average.
The defense has a good line, that won't win a CFP game. Beyond the DL we had a star player walkon on defense. We didn't even get remotely any pressure on OSU, so we had nothing to show. This could potentially lead to a close game vs Indiana or Boise but no one else.
Its easy to live in a life of lies in an echo chamber but this team was not top 5 at all.

Big Nico fan, huh?

 

[Remy]

I fail to see how we had the best RB in the SEC this past season while having a "bad" offense. Make the math math with those two points in space please?

 

[207 others]

Big Nico fan, huh?

Not seeing much yet he reminds me of another qb we had years ago

 

[MAD]

HOW BAD WAS IT?

 

[SGMVols]

The hire was not wrong. The contract was bad He should have had an iron-clad contract that he couldn't leave until after a minimum of 5 years. Both parties would have been better off.

There was no contract language that was going to keep him away from USC. They were his dream job at the time…until it turned into a nightmare.

 

[LAVol1]

There was no contract language that was going to keep him away from USC. They were his dream job at the time…until it turned into a nightmare.

That's false. They could have made his buyout cost prohibitive for USC. As a person who has written numerous long-term contracts, I know of what I speak.

 

[SGMVols]

That's false. They could have made his buyout cost prohibitive for USC. As a person who has written numerous long-term contracts, I know of what I speak.

If we had done that, Kiffin probably wouldn’t have taken the UT job at all. He had other offers on the table. Clemson and Washington, among others

 

[LouderVol]

OSU lost to Mich because the game plan was run heavy and they didn’t even target their top receiver second half. Day and his ego wanted to prove they could run the ball and win and he was wrong. It was gameplan.

his 33 pass attempts in the Michigan game tied for the 2nd most that season. only their loss to Oregon had more.

they may not have targeted Smith, but I doubt in a defensive, low scoring game making the second most passing attempts in the whole season means the game plan was too run heavy.

 

[LouderVol]

I fail to see how we had the best RB in the SEC this past season while having a "bad" offense. Make the math math with those two points in space please?

I agree with your overall point, but this isn't a great argument.

The number 2 Rb in the SEC was at Auburn, I think everyone can agree their offense was bad, even with a great player.

offense is made up of both passing and rushing, you can't just ignore half the equation.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Our offense the past 2 seasons with a so called offensive guru as our HC is concerning.

Our offense was 19th on 2023 and 15th in 2024. Some of you act like we had offenses ranked in the 90s and 190s like the Pruitt days. If our WRs had performed anything clear to 2022, we are likely a top 5-7 offense. Even still 15th and 19th out of 133 teams is pretty dang good.

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

Our offense was 19th on 2023 and 15th in 2024. Some of you act like we had offenses ranked in the 90s and 190s like the Pruitt days. If our WRs had performed anything clear to 2022, we are likely a top 5-7 offense. Even still 15th and 19th out of 133 teams is pretty dang good.

Wow, pretty nice slot for an off year!

It appears to me the bigger danger is the deteriorating emotional strength of the overall declared Vol fanbase.

Not sure if their ranks are growing or if they are just more organized and prolific in these forums and on the radio shows. Might have some with multiple personalities to distort the appearance. One common trait is the obvious need to repackage concepts to take advantage of the IF YOU SEE IT doctrine. Click on folks usernames and view their most recent posts list. If they turn it off, you have your answer.

 

[LouderVol]

Our offense was 19th on 2023 and 15th in 2024. Some of you act like we had offenses ranked in the 90s and 190s like the Pruitt days. If our WRs had performed anything clear to 2022, we are likely a top 5-7 offense. Even still 15th and 19th out of 133 teams is pretty dang good.

people don't care. if you aren't breaking records and winning titles nothing would ever be enough.

people really think that records which took 30/40/50 years to break, should continue to be broken or else we suck.

its a very instant gratification me-me-me attitude mindset our fans have.

 

[Tnphil]

Stats are great but points win games....We won some games due to our defense. I remember folks who laughed at all those high powered offenses of the Big 12 but they never won anything. But man....they had offensive stats.

 

[landscapingvol]

So was Oregon's
So was Texas's

I say that tongue in cheek for perspective. Ohio State had multiple NFL dudes who decided to come back for this year. They came alive during the playoff.

Had we played Penn state's schedule, we would have been in the national championship.

Correction, our offensive line was pretty average in pass protection and Nico was a young qb who struggled with decision making which greatly limited our play calling. I just hope our oline play improves over the Spring and Summer or we are going to struggle against teams with a good defense again.

 

[LouderVol]

Stats are great but points win games....We won some games due to our defense. I remember folks who laughed at all those high powered offenses of the Big 12 but they never won anything. But man....they had offensive stats.

points are a stat too. And we didn't do too bad in that category either. we were tied for 13th.

Only 5 playoff teams scored more points than we did on a points per game area.

scoring defense we were 7th. 4 playoff teams did better stopping scoring than us.

there are only 3 schools who scored more points than us, and gave up fewer points than us. two of them are playing in the national title game.

 

[Lekvolrrah]

NIL is an all or nothing experience. If your middling you're out and wasting money. If you're all in, you increase your championship probability. I do question its sustainability but schools dont have to be active participants either.

 

[Tnphil]

points are a stat too. And we didn't do too bad in that category either. we were tied for 13th.

Only 5 playoff teams scored more points than we did on a points per game area.

scoring defense we were 7th. 4 playoff teams did better stopping scoring than us.

there are only 3 schools who scored more points than us, and gave up fewer points than us. two of them are playing in the national title game.

Guess ours schedule had nothing to do with it? Both our coordinators are vanilla...and until that changes we won't see any championships. SEC or otherwise.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Stats are great but points win games....We won some games due to our defense. I remember folks who laughed at all those high powered offenses of the Big 12 but they never won anything. But man....they had offensive stats.

Actual numbers prove our offense wasn’t bad.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Guess ours schedule had nothing to do with it? Both our coordinators are vanilla...and until that changes we won't see any championships. SEC or otherwise.

 

[Tnphil]

Get back with me when we win a championship with our 2 systems. LMAO!!!!