Outcoached

[Thunder Good-Oil]

I agree it creates a challenge and is obviously not ideal going into the UNC game but if I were going to point to anything as to why we lost it would be missing Tobe combined with more poor play from SV and ZZ.

I didn’t say that is “why we lost”. I said that it was an ADVANTAGE for UNC to only have a 2 hour flight to their holiday tournament and to go into Chapel Hill and get a win you need a lot of things to go your way.

 

[chuckiepoo]

I didn’t say that is “why we lost”. I said that it was an ADVANTAGE for UNC to only have a 2 hour flight to their holiday tournament and to go into Chapel Hill and get a win you need a lot of things to go your way.

Are ya telling me your original comment was obtusely misrepresented? Here on a VolNation forum thread? Why I neva…

 

[Stoerner Fumbles]

A lot of sunshine pumpers in denial about what they witnesses this weekend floating around in here. I think the team can and will get better but we have a long ways to go.

Two idiots who don’t understand team development is not more convincing than one.

 

[walkenvol]

Two idiots who don’t understand team development is not more convincing than one.

Hey Stoerner - why do you think Vescovi is taking so few shots? Seems like he’s turning down a couple of open 3’s a game that he would have taken in prior years?

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Hey Stoerner - why do you think Vescovi is taking so few shots? Seems like he’s turning down a couple of open 3’s a game that he would have taken in prior years?

My 2 cents…

I think he’s trying to figure out/understand his role offensively…he’s used to a 40 minute green light and having to take some “bad shots” to force some offense for us in the past. That role is now Knecht’s (as it should be), and Santi imo is struggling between what’s a good shot/is not a good shot/too quick a shot etc now that his role has shifted some. I’m sure they’re pointing out the 3’s he’s passed up and making him aware, but at some point if that doesn’t work I would make it simple and just tell him the green light is always there from 3 for him and you expect him to shoot the ball.

 

[MinisterofDef#92]

My 2 cents…

I think he’s trying to figure out/understand his role offensively…he’s used to a 40 minute green light and having to take some “bad shots” to force some offense for us in the past. That role is now Knecht’s (as it should be), and Santi imo is struggling between what’s a good shot/is not a good shot/too quick a shot etc now that his role has shifted some. I’m sure they’re pointing out the 3’s he’s passed up and making him aware, but at some point if that doesn’t work I would make it simple and just tell him the green light is always there from 3 for him and you expect him to shoot the ball.

It's really bizarre. Santi clearly is hesitant but it's kind of shocking that our All SEC shooting guard is passing up open looks from 3 because he's not sure if it's a good shot...any open 3 not in the first 5 sec of crossing half court should be an obvious green light.

 

[MinisterofDef#92]

I didn’t say that is “why we lost”. I said that it was an ADVANTAGE for UNC to only have a 2 hour flight to their holiday tournament and to go into Chapel Hill and get a win you need a lot of things to go your way.

It’s not just the sitting in a small seat for 2 VERY LONG trips and the jet lag having a physical and mental impact. There's also the nearly 20 hours of traveling cutting into practice and preparation plus the disrupted schedules. But anybody that wants to ignore it and blast the team with the usual tripe, have at it.

So, you were responding to a poster(s) complaining about losing the game and you cited this jet lag travel advantage UNC had, while ignoring other more significant advantages (e.g., NC's home court and Tobe's injury), but you don't think the jet lag travel advantage you keep mentioning is why we lost. So, my obvious question is why did you bring it up and why do you keep posting about it?

And, you actually didn't say anything about an advantage in your reply to me so I naturally responded based on the broader context of losing to UNC (I did not realize you were the poster who originally brought up this jet lag topic). Regardless, we agree that the tourney travel is not why we lost at UNC.

 

[ColinS]

You actually didn't say anything about an advantage in your reply to me which I responded to at face value.

So, I'm honestly trying to understand, you were responding to a poster(s) complaining about losing the game and you cited this jet lag travel advantage UNC had, while ignoring other more significant advantages (e.g., NC's home court and Tobe's injury), but you don't think the jet lag travel advantage you keep mentioning is why we lost. So, my obvious question is why do you keep posting about this jet lag advantage in response to those complaining about the loss (and to myself who was not "blasting the team with usual tripe)...what is the point?

I will take the blame for that. I couldn't help but to call them out on that and then we just kept the conversation running.

 

[MinisterofDef#92]

I will take the blame for that. I couldn't help but to call them out on that and then we just kept the conversation running.

All good and no blame...it's what we do on a message board. I didn't go back to read through everything so I wasn't sure who all was in the convo but I remembered it was related to jet lag and I assumed that was one of the narratives you deemed "sunshine pumping" going back on my question to you.

 

[Milehigh_Vol]

Forbes team looked great yesterday. When Barnes retires we need to throw money at Forbes.

 

[walkenvol]

My 2 cents…

I think he’s trying to figure out/understand his role offensively…he’s used to a 40 minute green light and having to take some “bad shots” to force some offense for us in the past. That role is now Knecht’s (as it should be), and Santi imo is struggling between what’s a good shot/is not a good shot/too quick a shot etc now that his role has shifted some. I’m sure they’re pointing out the 3’s he’s passed up and making him aware, but at some point if that doesn’t work I would make it simple and just tell him the green light is always there from 3 for him and you expect him to shoot the ball.

Would appear Gainey believes it’s his role instead of Knecht’s if that role only belongs to one guy? Zeigler is taking more than Vescovi of late it seems also.

 

[cardvolfan]

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[Lankykong]

It's really bizarre. Santi clearly is hesitant but it's kind of shocking that our All SEC shooting guard is passing up open looks from 3 because he's not sure if it's a good shot...any open 3 not in the first 5 sec of crossing half court should be an obvious green light.

There are levels of openness. He’s been taking the nobody within 6 ft of him threes consistently but not the nobody within 3 ft of him threes, which he needs to take more of. Zeigler and Aidoo are more often super wide open (nobody within like 6 ft) which is why they have taken significantly more than their usual role.

All imo of course

 

[b_gann]

My 2 cents…

I think he’s trying to figure out/understand his role offensively…he’s used to a 40 minute green light and having to take some “bad shots” to force some offense for us in the past. That role is now Knecht’s (as it should be), and Santi imo is struggling between what’s a good shot/is not a good shot/too quick a shot etc now that his role has shifted some. I’m sure they’re pointing out the 3’s he’s passed up and making him aware, but at some point if that doesn’t work I would make it simple and just tell him the green light is always there from 3 for him and you expect him to shoot the ball.

If it's there for Gainey, it should definitely be there for Santi! I think that'll be a big key for the success of the team. Santi replacing the usage and minutes of Gainey.

Better defender
Better rebounder
Better playmaker
Better shooter (at least as of now)

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

So, you were responding to a poster(s) complaining about losing the game and you cited this jet lag travel advantage UNC had, while ignoring other more significant advantages (e.g., NC's home court and Tobe's injury), but you don't think the jet lag travel advantage you keep mentioning is why we lost. So, my obvious question is why did you bring it up and why do you keep posting about it?

And, you actually didn't say anything about an advantage in your reply to me so I naturally responded based on the broader context of losing to UNC (I did not realize you were the poster who originally brought up this jet lag topic). Regardless, we agree that the tourney travel is not why we lost at UNC.

I’ve mentioned Awaka’s injury and UNC’s Dean Dome advantage many times. I assume that UT’s trainers would have been all over it and ensuring that he was plenty hydrated heading to Chapel Hill, but Knecht also had to sit out with muscle cramps for a while in Hawaii.

My bottom line is that it would have been a great win at UNC and taking the loss doesn’t concern me. Playing such inept first half defense was puzzling, but bouncing back in the second half instead of giving up was a huge positive.

 

[hUTch2002]

At least he didn’t complain about the playcalling. That’s typically the blueprint response for the disgruntled ignorant fan after a loss: “we got outcoached and the playcalling was terrible!”

Ha! It happened in the post right after this one. That’s awesome. Good call!

 

[bleedingTNorange]

If it's there for Gainey, it should definitely be there for Santi! I think that'll be a big key for the success of the team. Santi replacing the usage and minutes of Gainey.

Better defender
Better rebounder
Better playmaker
Better shooter (at least as of now)

Santi is averaging 30mpg if you eliminate the benching in the 2nd half against UNC, Gainey is averaging 26mpg…you’re wanting Santi to somehow play 56mpg?

 

[cardvolfan]

Santi is averaging 30mpg if you eliminate the benching in the 2nd half against UNC, Gainey is averaging 26mpg…you’re wanting Santi to somehow play 56mpg?

He’s clearly saying Santi is more valuable right now than Gainey, on the whole.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

He’s clearly saying Santi is more valuable right now than Gainey, on the whole.

I’m not sure anyone disagrees or has said otherwise, my post which he was replying to sure didn’t state that.

 

[cardvolfan]

I’m not sure anyone disagrees or has said otherwise, my post which he was replying to sure didn’t state that.

You’re smart-ass comment about playing 56 minutes…you knew he didn’t mean that. Come on, man. Quit deflecting and be a little better.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

You’re smart-ass comment about playing 56 minutes…you knew he didn’t mean that. Come on, man. Quit deflecting and be a little better.

He literally mentioned replacing the minutes of Gainey with Santi, I didn’t get that statement, sorry if it bothered you.

 

[MinisterofDef#92]

There are levels of openness. He’s been taking the nobody within 6 ft of him threes consistently but not the nobody within 3 ft of him threes, which he needs to take more of. Zeigler and Aidoo are more often super wide open (nobody within like 6 ft) which is why they have taken significantly more than their usual role.

All imo of course

It's just weird that our All SEC shooting guard who has been the focal point of opposing team's defense for literally years is not salivating and have a quick trigger on open looks regardless of how open they are

 

[hUTch2002]

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That’s odd. Usually you’re one way or the other on both ends. Do you think that’s a sign of trying to figure out who we are or a sign of that’s who we are? I lean towards the second as you have to be intentional to get a massive spread in rankings like that but am curious if there are differing opinions and why someone thinks the first.

 

[hUTch2002]

If it's there for Gainey, it should definitely be there for Santi! I think that'll be a big key for the success of the team. Santi replacing the usage and minutes of Gainey.

Better defender
Better rebounder
Better playmaker
Better shooter (at least as of now)

Gainey gets to the rim better. I wish he would do it more often though. He’s a little quicker than Santi.

 

[cardvolfan]

That’s odd. Usually you’re one way or the other on both ends. Do you think that’s a sign of trying to figure out who we are or a sign of that’s who we are? I lean towards the second as you have to be intentional to get a massive spread in rankings like that but am curious if there are differing opinions and why someone thinks the first.

I’m confused about the “one way or the other on both ends, but as to your question, I’m definitely with “that’s who we are.”