Outside Fan's Perspective

[Vercingetorix]

Gah. Ridiculous. Can I say J.R.R. Tokien's novel? Yes. Despite the fact that he's dead and gone and has no idea I'm talking about him. As I said before, it's clearly IMPLIED. Stoops Troops is clearly IMPLIED not STATED. I can't make this any clearer.

Again, it's IMPLIED. Really sorry that this needs to be explained. I feel embarrassed for you.

Edit: For the slow

There are many ways to write what you're saying more clearly. Stoops Troops clearly implies possession. (though it needs the apostrophe) Basically, it's a case of horrible, horrible, writing. Or ignorance. I really don't care which it is.

Of course you can say "J.R.R. Tolkien's novel," although you should spell it right, because A) he actually wrote the novel himself, which is a real association, and B) "novel" in this case is a common noun. The Stoops Troops certainly appears to be a proper noun, which means it's just a name, and I think it's clearly up to the members of the Troops whether they want to simply name themselves after the guy (e.g., "the Stoops Troops") or imply that he's actually in command of them ("Stoops' Troops"). Although the latter might be a little presumptuous.

It's always funny to see someone draw a mistakenly over-pedantic line in the sand over a grammar point. The English language is bigger and more interesting than the rules you learned in the second grade.

 

[Vercingetorix]

And ah, here's this, from Garner's Modern American Usage (2nd ed.), which just happens to be sitting on my shelf here and which is widely regarded as the best modern style guide for American English:

When a proper name is used as an adjective, it isn't a possessive and thus doesn't take an apostrophe. Hence "the Cubs [not Cubs'] game is at 1:00 today." The following example incorrectly uses an apostrophe, because the name Fields (referring to a single person) is being used adjectivally: "One source who attended the fundraiser said it generated at least $50,000 for the Fields' [read Fields] campaign."

"The Stoops Troops" certainly seems like it falls under the same guidelines, doesn't it? But feel free to keep being embarrassed for me for no reason.

 

[BaldBiker]

Thanks for the kind words BB. :hi:

Out of respect for this board I kept silent about the Gruden rumors. At the end of the day it was a pipe dream wrapped in a snowball's chance in hell.

Butch Jones is a step in the right direction. He doesn't have a famous daddy who coached Herschel or the false confidence of Lane Kiffin, but he's a step in the right direction.

Yeah. I never thought Gruden was coming. Stayed away from the boards through all that.

I don't care who CBJ's daddy is.......just win us games and make a name for yourself is all I ask.

Not even going to talk about the whole Kiffin fiasco.....although I have to say, I read some post somewhere, where a lot of USCw fans are more than willing to send him back to us....lol.

 

[photovol]

even though Butch is our 7th choice, it doesn't mean the guy is a loser......he won at small schools and maybe he can win in the SEC.......but the odds are certainally not in his favor .....he will have to have at least 4-5 years.....so buckle up.....can't be any worse than the last 7-8 years

 

[rocketskates]

You misspelled Gators several times there...Freudian slip I suppose.

I post on several SEC message boards. I care about SEC football, whether my alma mater is involved in the discussion or not.

This is easily one of the best places of the web to foster those types of discussions.

Once you have more than 60 posts here you might understand.

The post police are gonna get ya again! Once again it's Father Time the Grand Ole Man of the Swamp Suckin', Mr. I graduated from college 20 years ago on here talking nonsense again. I'm glad you find this board so entertaining but we really don't want you here in case you haven't gotten the hint.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

The post police are gonna get ya again! Once again it's Father Time the Grand Ole Man of the Swamp Suckin', Mr. I graduated from college 20 years ago on here talking nonsense again. I'm glad you find this board so entertaining but we really don't want you here in case you haven't gotten the hint.

Great, another stalker hijacking what was a civil discussion about the Jones hire.

 

[Big Orange 1]

Great, another stalker hijacking what was a civil discussion about the Jones hire.

No worries, just another Vol fan hurt over "Chuckey."

 

[McCat]

Love the irony....this is a sports board, not a spelling bee. Not to mention that the two contestants are from Kaintuck and Tennessee.

 

[pattiycake]

The post police are gonna get ya again! Once again it's Father Time the Grand Ole Man of the Swamp Suckin', Mr. I graduated from college 20 years ago on here talking nonsense again. I'm glad you find this board so entertaining but we really don't want you here in case you haven't gotten the hint.

Who is this "we" you speak of? Did Freak give you permission to speak for him?

 

[rocketskates]

Who is this "we" you speak of? Did Freak give you permission to speak for him?

Yes he telepathically told me it was ok for me to bash Larry. It's the same telepathy skills that my sources use to tell me inside info on the football program.

 

[pattiycake]

Yes he telepathically told me it was ok for me to bash Larry. It's the same telepathy skills that my sources use to tell me inside info on the football program.

You getting smart with me boy? :aggressive: Play nice!

 

[Wezcoast]

Thanks for the kind words BB. :hi:

Out of respect for this board I kept silent about the Gruden rumors. At the end of the day it was a pipe dream wrapped in a snowball's chance in hell.

Butch Jones is a step in the right direction. He doesn't have a famous daddy who coached Herschel or the false confidence of Lane Kiffin, but he's a step in the right direction.

Since from what I've seen , you tend to be a more humble and less arrogant UF fan than most that cruise this board, I'll ask your opinion. If it were your Florida program going through the sh** storm that we have, how would you feel about a hire like this after having been through two other disaster hires? I'm just curious to get a real outside perspective. I'm cautiously optimistic mostly because of the fact that his teams were at least prepared to play most every game. Not all, but most. Obviously , coaching only takes you so far and God given talent has to be utilized; but I don't recall thinking wtf is he doing the few games I've seen him coach . That's a step in the right direction from my vantage point.

 

[kyoon2]

how many scoops of stoop poop does the big blue country want?

 

[rocketskates]

You getting smart with me boy? :aggressive: Play nice!

Don't mind me 99% of my posts are of a playful nature including the ones picking on Scary Larry.

 

[pattiycake]

Don't mind me 99% of my posts are of a playful nature including the ones picking on Scary Larry.

I apologize then..my mistake! ardon:

 

[Dudleys87]

Love me some VolNation. Top 3 trolls in this thread have 7, 7, and 100 posts respectively.

Couple more solid hires and UK will have a solid staff as well. Good luck next season Cat.

 

[McCat]

Couple more solid hires and UK will have a solid staff as well. Good luck next season Cat.

Thanks. TBA today that Neal Brown from Texas Tech will be announced OC today. Looks like Air Raid is coming back to the SEC.

 

[VOLorNuttin]

Given all the heartburn expressed over CBJ's hiring, just wanted to offer some unsolicited perspective.

Considering where UT's FB program is, you guys got a good hire. Gruden just wasn't going to happen after having 4 coaches in 6 years. Of the coaches available, you guys got one of the best ones that were available. CBJ has shown that he can win. Give the man a chance, get behind him, and let your fanbase heal. The SECE isn't the same with UT being on a down cycle.

GBO, but not as much as GBB.


Best of all, you guys can wear these hats this fall; :hi:

Nah....a better one is..."VOLS, BUTCH!"

 

[Lawrence Wright]

Since from what I've seen , you tend to be a more humble and less arrogant UF fan than most that cruise this board, I'll ask your opinion. If it were your Florida program going through the sh** storm that we have, how would you feel about a hire like this after having been through two other disaster hires? I'm just curious to get a real outside perspective. I'm cautiously optimistic mostly because of the fact that his teams were at least prepared to play most every game. Not all, but most. Obviously , coaching only takes you so far and God given talent has to be utilized; but I don't recall thinking wtf is he doing the few games I've seen him coach . That's a step in the right direction from my vantage point.

Our fan bases are both notoriously impatient. The difference at UF is our AD doesn't tolerate underperforming coaches. Jeremy Foley would have fired Dooley after the UK game last season.

We went through this with Zook, and to some extent with Muschamp. Both are/were good recruiters, which is half the battle. The issue with UT today is it's tougher to recruit to Knoxville when UGA, LSU, South Carolina and Bama all have a better "product" to sell. That wasn't the case in the 90s...it was UT, UF and everyone else.

Jones is a very solid hire for you guys. The realistic and grounded fans knew Gruden wasn't coming. Gruden knew he wasn't coming....just like Bob Stoops wasn't coming to UF in '02 or '05. Once you get past that, you have to look for the best guy available.

Hart could have acted quicker in assessing Strong's level of interest and securing Jones' services sooner. But that would have brought out the "did he even talk to (insert coach's name who was never coming away) before hiring THAT guy?" crowd. Short of landing Gruden or Patterson, it would have been impossible to please everyone.