Over/unders ....

[lawgator1]

LG is right, UT won't has no chance to beat the Mighty Gators at any time over the next 5 years. But perhaps we'll just go ahead and play -- just for the fun of it, you know, to just sort of see what happens on the field. Maybe the ball will take a funny hop, maybe someone will roll an ankle, you just never know, do you?!

Proposed new rule: Before mocking a post or a thread, the person who would like to mock must read the other posts or the entire thread before mocking such thread or post.

 

[ddubb76]

Game next year is in Gainesville and Tebow and Harvin at full strength in total spread option. Year after that, still have Tebow and amazing receiving corps. Offensive line has 2 years under their belt and it will be seocnd year of whatever stud running back Meyer gets this year. Third year game is at Florida and again Tebow & company rule the roost.

That's three right there.

I hate to be the one to break it to ya, but running qbs dont last long in the sec, if Tebow makes it one full season without sitting, and starts I will be surprised, I hope you have more than one great receiver to beat us, and if you have not noticed but our lines are very young, and I thought they handled ya ok this year. next year they will dominate you guys.

 

[Pepe_Silvia]

I think we have the upperhand in next year's game. Ainge will be back, and although Swain (and maybe Meachem) won't be, we still have some good wide receivers to fall back on. Hopefully our offensive line improves run blocking by next year.

We will win more than 8 games next year - no doubt in my mind about that. I won't start making predicitions on individual games when we're still in the '06 season.

I don't know when Fulmer will retire, except maybe himself. I don't see any reason why he shouldn't be able to stick around for another 10 years or more. Look at Joe Paterno at Penn State. That guy is older than the game of football and he's still coaching. (Although it may be questionable as to whether or not he knows he's still coaching football.)

 

[lawgator1]

Our lines very young, too. Particularly the O line, and you did not handle them at all.

 

[#10_Ainge_#10]

Florida hasn't run a true spread option at all, yet. Not once. They have run some triple options and reverses, yes, but you haven't seen them line up with guys literally from one sideline to the other. The point of that system is to force favorable match-ups. If Florida's offensive line matures and learns that system right going into next year, it can be VERY successful.

Witness what AF was able to do to you and then imagine those guys being world-class athletes with 4.2 speed.

Air Force done that to us because we virtually had no time to practice for that.....You see an offense like that once every 4-5 years and you don't practice to play a team with that offense every year.....We'll know what to expect next year with Florida, we'll see that offense every year and after you've seen it once and stopped it once, you can keep doing it....And another thing, a "true spread offense" as you call it, won't make it in the SEC, the SEC has the athletes on all its teams to stop it except maybe the lower tier teams

 

[tclowers23]

I noticed I am about to hit my 2500th post on here and it got me to wondering, by time of the Gator/UT game next year, can I hit 10,000? And if I do, do I get a prize? Maybe a hat from hatvol? A lewd picture of LIO?

But I digress.

That whole thing got me thinking about some interesting over\unders, some short term, some long....

Number of regular UT wins next year (remember, you are likely to lose receiving corps experience and you are on the road a lot for tough games: 8

Number of years before UT has a new head football coach: 4

Number of years before you beat UF again: 5

Over: I think UT will win 10 or 11 games next season.

Under: To keep Cutcliffe, I think UT may have to appoint him head coach. Won't happen... just wishing.

Under: UT wins 31-20 in Gainesville next season.

 

[lawgator1]

Air Force done that to us because we virtually had no time to practice for that.....You see an offense like that once every 4-5 years and you don't practice to play a team with that offense every year.....We'll know what to expect next year with Florida, we'll see that offense every year and after you've seen it once and stopped it once, you can keep doing it....And another thing, a "true spread offense" as you call it, won't make it in the SEC, the SEC has the athletes on all its teams to stop it except maybe the lower tier teams

You won't have seen much of it by then. Our warm-up games I am sure will not feature all of the trickery, the masterful nuance, the complex symmetry, the poetic beauty, and the overwhelming superiority of... THE SPREAD.

 

[volwarren]

Tebow had a tremendous passing career in high school but I confess he has only thrown a few passes in colege and those were in special situations. So, while every indication so far is that he can run the passing part of such an offense, I can't say he has done it, yet. I see no reason why he can't.



I'm sorry, did you write something? I can't get past the avatar....

I agree Tebow is good at what he has shown so far. Do you guys have a Quality backup?

 

[tclowers23]

You won't have seen much of it by then. Our warm-up games I am sure will not feature all of the trickery, the masterful nuance, the complex symmetry, the poetic beauty, and the overwhelming superiority of... THE SPREAD.

I look forward to seeing what Chavis can scheme to stop it next year. It will definitely be the biggest challenge our D will face in 2007.

 

[#10_Ainge_#10]

You won't have seen much of it by then. Our warm-up games I am sure will not feature all of the trickery, the masterful nuance, the complex symmetry, the poetic beauty, and the overwhelming superiority of... THE SPREAD.

Oh I'm sure Urban Meyer will have something special tucked away for our Vols but what I'm saying about the Spread Offense is this: It worked in the Mountain West conference because none of the teams in that Conference had the atheletes to stop it....Urban just had better athletes to run it and the other teams just kind of hung on and hoped he didn't hang 50 on them....In the SEC the athletes are better, the defenses are better and the Coaching is a lot better.....I don't see it coming to the SEC and staying for long because it won't take teams long to learn how to to stop it

Not to say it's not going to work, but I don't see it working near as well as it did in the Mountain West

 

[lawgator1]

There are four regular season games left for the Gators, including the return of SOS to the swamp and likely a birth in the SECCG on the line. A game at FSU as it is reeling from the Bowden controversy. A real good shot at a BCS bowl.

And yet, all this discussion of Meyer's true offense, with Tebow at the helm and Harvin running circles around people 30 yards downfield has me really already looking forward to next year.

 

[#10_Ainge_#10]

What're you going to do if Urban's offense flops next year in the SEC? It could happen, and don't say it has an astronomical chance of not happening, because it does have a good chance of flopping next year, then again maybe not.....It's never really been successful in the SEC, Spurrier didn't run a form of the Spread Option( or did he, don't think he did, don't remember it) he just ran the Spread for the most part, mostly passing though

 

[lawgator1]

What're you going to do if Urban's offense flops next year in the SEC? It could happen, and don't say it has an astronomical chance of not happening, because it does have a good chance of flopping next year, then again maybe not.....It's never really been successful in the SEC, Spurrier didn't run a form of the Spread Option( or did he, don't think he did, don't remember it) he just ran the Spread for the most part, mostly passing though

Spurrier's offense was a spread with very little run option. The goal was the same -- create favorable match-ups as between your very best receivers and slower defensive players. Wuerffel was just plain terrific on picking up on those mismatches and he and the Gators exploited them well.

The difference is that a traditional spread option adds to the passing game a serious run threat. And not just from the RB. It adds on the QB keep, the RB, and any one of 4 receivers as run threats coming out of the backfield.

I know people go on and on about SEC defensive speed. And I acknowledge that SEC defensive players can converge on the ball quicker than other cofnerence defenses that have faced the spread.

But I truly believe that, if the offense is run correctly, then all things being equal (speed and athleticism between offense and defense) the spread really puts a lot of pressure on a defense and, where the defense breaks down and makes a mistake, it can be very costly.

The three keys will be whether the young Florida offensive line can handle the complexity of their assignments, whether Tebow can learn the reads and perform them, and whether Tebow can present a realistic throwing threat. The last one is the key to keep the defense from putting 8 in the box and just running up and down the line to stop the run.

If the Gators can accomplish those three things, then the Spread will be successful. Fail in any one, and the ofense will struggle. Right now, based on what I've seen, the most problematic area is the offensive line. We keep getting tons of penalties running the current offense. If they can't completely master the current scheme, they will have real trouble running the Spread.

Time will tell.

 

[ddubb76]

There are four regular season games left for the Gators, including the return of SOS to the swamp and likely a birth in the SECCG on the line. A game at FSU as it is reeling from the Bowden controversy. A real good shot at a BCS bowl.

And yet, all this discussion of Meyer's true offense, with Tebow at the helm and Harvin running circles around people 30 yards downfield has me really already looking forward to next year.

if i were a gator fan "yuck and may god have mercy on my soul" I would be a little less worried about your loosing season next year and more worried about how far in the polls you will drop after you loose to vandy. Even if you do make it to the secc then you will be stomped by either auburn (again) or god help you if arkansas is in there.

I am so tired of hearing about your blessed backup qb, and glorious return to the promised land reciever. When your qb and receiver play more than just a few series and win the games by themselves I will appollogize. Until then I am rooting for UM to put him in as much as possible just so I can watch his head leave his body.

 

[cotton]

I am sure will not feature all of the trickery, the masterful nuance, the complex symmetry, the poetic beauty, and the overwhelming superiority of... THE SPREAD.

I'm not sure if that sentence reminds me of pimento cheese or strippers. Or maybe strippers with pimento cheese...:blush2:

 

[ddubb76]

Spurrier's offense was a spread with very little run option. The goal was the same -- create favorable match-ups as between your very best receivers and slower defensive players. Wuerffel was just plain terrific on picking up on those mismatches and he and the Gators exploited them well.

The difference is that a traditional spread option adds to the passing game a serious run threat. And not just from the RB. It adds on the QB keep, the RB, and any one of 4 receivers as run threats coming out of the backfield.

I know people go on and on about SEC defensive speed. And I acknowledge that SEC defensive players can converge on the ball quicker than other cofnerence defenses that have faced the spread.

But I truly believe that, if the offense is run correctly, then all things being equal (speed and athleticism between offense and defense) the spread really puts a lot of pressure on a defense and, where the defense breaks down and makes a mistake, it can be very costly.

The three keys will be whether the young Florida offensive line can handle the complexity of their assignments, whether Tebow can learn the reads and perform them, and whether Tebow can present a realistic throwing threat. The last one is the key to keep the defense from putting 8 in the box and just running up and down the line to stop the run.

If the Gators can accomplish those three things, then the Spread will be successful. Fail in any one, and the ofense will struggle. Right now, based on what I've seen, the most problematic area is the offensive line. We keep getting tons of penalties running the current offense. If they can't completely master the current scheme, they will have real trouble running the Spread.

Time will tell.

is cUM the only coach who knows how to run the true spread? If it was really that good of an offense, dont you think that at least one other sec coach would have tried it by now?

 

[volwarren]

There are four regular season games left for the Gators, including the return of SOS to the swamp and likely a birth in the SECCG on the line. A game at FSU as it is reeling from the Bowden controversy. A real good shot at a BCS bowl.

And yet, all this discussion of Meyer's true offense, with Tebow at the helm and Harvin running circles around people 30 yards downfield has me really already looking forward to next year.

Two of your top three wr's are sr's Harven might be very lonely downfield next year and it takes a while to break in a good wr.

 

[lawgator1]

is cUM the only coach who knows how to run the true spread? If it was really that good of an offense, dont you think that at least one other sec coach would have tried it by now?

Oh, sure, guys like Fulmer really experiment a lot. LOL.

Besides, none have had the talent to do it until now.

Two of your top three wr's are sr's Harven might be very lonely downfield next year and it takes a while to break in a good wr.

We've got a few already and I imagine, with every high school kid well aware of what is coming next year, Meyer will have his pick of the litter in recruiting WRs this year and next.

 

[ddubb76]

Oh, sure, guys like Fulmer really experiment a lot. LOL.

Besides, none have had the talent to do it until now.




So no other team in the sec over the last couple decades have had the talent that Gayterds have?

And none of the other 10 dozen or so coaches that have come and gone through the sec have not been experimental.

I ususally respect most of your post LG, but this one is absurd.

 

[lawgator1]

So no other team in the sec over the last couple decades have had the talent that Gayterds have?

And none of the other 10 dozen or so coaches that have come and gone through the sec have not been experimental.

I ususally respect most of your post LG, but this one is absurd.

I don't think that there has been an SEC coach that has had the right talent for this kind of offense and also had it in mind to try it. Sure, there have plenty of SEC teams over the last ten years that had great athletes -- I'm not being ridiculous -- but I really can't recall a team that had this particular type of QB (rugged runner, great arm) combined with WRs like Harvin, all at the same time. And surely not one where that was true AND the coaching staff had an interest in trying the Spread-Option.

Can you think of one?

 

[volwarren]

Oh, sure, guys like Fulmer really experiment a lot. LOL.

Besides, none have had the talent to do it until now.




We've got a few already and I imagine, with every high school kid well aware of what is coming next year, Meyer will have his pick of the litter in recruiting WRs this year and next.

Recruting is such an inexact science recruits go where the playing time is most of the time and since you have plenty of young wr's it would be a hard sale.

 

[ddubb76]

I don't think that there has been an SEC coach that has had the right talent for this kind of offense and also had it in mind to try it. Sure, there have plenty of SEC teams over the last ten years that had great athletes -- I'm not being ridiculous -- but I really can't recall a team that had this particular type of QB (rugged runner, great arm) combined with WRs like Harvin, all at the same time. And surely not one where that was true AND the coaching staff had an interest in trying the Spread-Option.

Can you think of one?

Got me there LG. Mainly because I am too lazy to try and look for one, but you could be right.But i do find it hard to believe that if it was that good of an offense that no sec coach has tried it.

 

[lawgator1]

Recruting is such an inexact science recruits go where the playing time is most of the time and since you have plenty of young wr's it would be a hard sale.

You just said 2 of our top 3 are seniors. Seems like it would be an easy sell.

 

[volwarren]

You just said 2 of our top 3 are seniors. Seems like it would be an easy sell.

Seems the other way to me your wr's down the depth chart are young and should be in line to start next year if they are that good and have learned the system. Wr's comming in would have less playing time because the spread takes time to learn.

 

[volwarren]

You just said 2 of our top 3 are seniors. Seems like it would be an easy sell.

It seems to me your offensive skill players will be very young and inexperenced even if you get the pick of the litter in wr's and you will need a backup QB.