P.I. Trying to get dirt on Ole Miss

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bamawriter said:
"Honest" is such an interesting word. While I have no doubt that Logan Young paid Means' family and high school coaches, I do not believe that Ronnie Cotrell and Ivy Williams, the two Bama coaches named by the NCAA, were involved. And they were vindicated in their lawsuit, so I'm confident in that belief. Now, was Fulmer simply repeating what he'd heard? Probably. But repeating a lie just because you believed it doesn't make it true, but maybe it qualifies as "honest" in that it was not knowingly deceitful.
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LOL really? He was asked what he knew and what he was told. Under oath he told the truth. The land of the mentally lost went berserk about it. They didn't get mad at Spurrier who first turned them in nor did they get mad at Houston Nutt who also turned them in along with others. Why do you suppose that is? Maybe, just maybe it was because he owned them?
 
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ReaderVol said:
LOL really? He was asked what he knew and what he was told. Under oath he told the truth. The land of the mentally lost went berserk about it. They didn't get mad at Spurrier who first turned them in nor did they get mad at Houston Nutt who also turned them in along with others. Why do you suppose that is? Maybe, just maybe it was because he owned them?
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O-w-n-e-d t-h-e-m!
 
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ReaderVol said:
LOL really? He was asked what he knew and what he was told. Under oath he told the truth. The land of the mentally lost went berserk about it. They didn't get mad at Spurrier who first turned them in nor did they get mad at Houston Nutt who also turned them in along with others. Why do you suppose that is? Maybe, just maybe it was because he owned them?
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He was not under oath when he spoke to the NCAA, as the NCAA doesn't swear in witnesses, as they are not a court of law. You aren't subject to a perjury charge if you lie to the NCAA.

And Spurrier and Nutt did not give any official testimony. Fulmer was the only coach who did, though he attempted to do so anonymously. Like I said earlier, he had a lousy attorney.
 
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bamawriter said:
He was not under oath when he spoke to the NCAA, as the NCAA doesn't swear in witnesses, as they are not a court of law. You aren't subject to a perjury charge if you lie to the NCAA.

And Spurrier and Nutt did not give any official testimony. Fulmer was the only coach who did, though he attempted to do so anonymously. Like I said earlier, he had a lousy attorney.
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Really? Perhaps you have never heard of a deposition? Here's a hint for you bammer writer, they almost always occur in an office not a court room and the person being deposed is under oath.
Either way, what's funny is all off you toothless dumba$$ cousin kissers aren't mad because Y'ALL CHEATED you're mad because the 4th or 5th person asked about it (noticed didn't turn you in) told the truth. Your entire program and it's history is known to be dirty. You know it and so does the rest of the world.
Now go write an article about free government cheese handouts.
 
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ReaderVol said:
Really? Perhaps you have never heard of a deposition? Here's a hint for you bammer writer, they almost always occur in an office not a court room and the person being deposed is under oath.
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Fulmer never gave a deposition in the Means case. The only deposition he gave in any of the various cases involved a defamation lawsuit former Tennessee player Kenny Smith and his mother filed against Fulmer personally. He was served several times in various other cases, but ultimately never appeared.

Either way, what's funny is all off you toothless dumba$$ cousin kissers aren't mad because Y'ALL CHEATED you're mad because the 4th or 5th person asked about it (noticed didn't turn you in) told the truth.
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The only one in this conversation that seems upset is you. It's also quite obvious that you don't actually know much about the situation on which you're trying to comment. A Google search might help.
 
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bamawriter said:
Fulmer never gave a deposition in the Means case. The only deposition he gave in any of the various cases involved a defamation lawsuit former Tennessee player Kenny Smith and his mother filed against Fulmer personally. He was served several times in various other cases, but ultimately never appeared.



The only one in this conversation that seems upset is you. It's also quite obvious that you don't actually know much about the situation on which you're trying to comment. A Google search might help.
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What? LOL I'm not upset at you. I laugh at your delusional fan base.
Also try reading my post again. I didn't say he was deposed, I was pointing out that your statement about giving a statement under oath can and does happen without a court.
And I along with many people who can read and remember know the situation there sheep dater. What I've stated is absolutely true, your dumba$$ fan base attacked Fulmer instead off the others because Fulmer (unlike the others) owned the toothless wonders. Period.
 
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ReaderVol said:
Also try reading my post again. I didn't say he was deposed, I was pointing out that your statement about giving a statement under oath can and does happen without a court.
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When you give a deposition, you are considered to be in court, as your answers are admissible. Depositions are a part of the record.

Either way, Fulmer was not under oath when he spoke to the NCAA.

And I along with many people who can read and remember know the situation there sheep dater. What I've stated is absolutely true, your dumba$$ fan base attacked Fulmer instead off the others because Fulmer (unlike the others) owned the toothless wonders. Period.
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Steve Spurrier was really good against Bama, too. So your theory doesn't hold water.
 
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bamawriter said:
When you give a deposition, you are considered to be in court, as your answers are admissible. Depositions are a part of the record.

Either way, Fulmer was not under oath when he spoke to the NCAA.



Steve Spurrier was really good against Bama, too. So your theory doesn't hold water.
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Not like Fulmer. Nice try
 
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ReaderVol said:
Not like Fulmer. Nice try
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While at UF, Spurrier's winning % against Bama was identical to Fulmer's.

It's not like Bama fans would have loved Fulmer had he never sat down with the folks from Indianapolis. But he did. Spurrier didn't. Nutt didn't. There was a third coach who reported what he'd heard about Means to the NCAA, but didn't actually participate in the investigation and, like Spurrier and Nutt, Bama fans don't despise him. He coached at Michigan State during Means' recruitment, but his name escapes me...

It's weird to me that you seem so proud of Fulmer's involvement with the case, yet you keep trying to spin it like he did nothing more than the other coaches. If you're proud of it, be proud. Fulmer went above and beyond what his peers were willing to do. If you think that's right, don't downplay it.
 
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Fulmer had to do something to deal with the situation in West Tennessee because we could not get the top players from that area to even visit Knoxville at that time. The state is limited in terms of athletes, but to be cut out of the main area in your state where they are located was a tremendous issue for HC Fulmer. So it wasn't just Means, it was also related to:

David Payne
Santonio Beard
Eric Locke
Fernando Bryant
Kindal Morehead
Ahmaad Gallaway and probably others I am forgetting.

I am sure Bryant would had done something similar if LSU was coming into Mobile and shutting him out in that area for recruits. Heck, while he as in charge and Auburn starting getting good the NCAA would always come knocking - that was always a strange [FONT=&quot]coincidence.[/FONT]
 
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CobbVol said:
Fulmer had to do something to deal with the situation in West Tennessee because we could not get the top players from that area to even visit Knoxville at that time. The state is limited in terms of athletes, but to be cut out of the main area in your state where they are located was a tremendous issue for HC Fulmer. So it wasn't just Means, it was also related to:

David Payne
Santonio Beard
Eric Locke
Fernando Bryant
Kindal Morehead
Ahmaad Gallaway and probably others I am forgetting.
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3 of those 6 were from Middle Tennessee.

I am sure Bryant would had done something similar if LSU was coming into Mobile and shutting him out in that area for recruits. Heck, while he as in charge and Auburn starting getting good the NCAA would always come knocking - that was always a strange [FONT=&quot]coincidence.[/FONT]
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Always, huh? Auburn only faced sanctions once during Bryant's tenure. And they were barely above .500 during the years for which they were punished.
 
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bamawriter said:
While at UF, Spurrier's winning % against Bama was identical to Fulmer's.

It's not like Bama fans would have loved Fulmer had he never sat down with the folks from Indianapolis. But he did. Spurrier didn't. Nutt didn't. There was a third coach who reported what he'd heard about Means to the NCAA, but didn't actually participate in the investigation and, like Spurrier and Nutt, Bama fans don't despise him. He coached at Michigan State during Means' recruitment, but his name escapes me...

It's weird to me that you seem so proud of Fulmer's involvement with the case, yet you keep trying to spin it like he did nothing more than the other coaches. If you're proud of it, be proud. Fulmer went above and beyond what his peers were willing to do. If you think that's right, don't downplay it.
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I, for one, am proud as hell of it. Unlike other coaches, Fulmer was dealing with a rival booster (Logan Young) who was buying defensive linemen inside of his state on a regular basis (Kindal Moorehead was just as egregious as Means) and had shown no signs of stopping this practice without NCAA intervention. Make no mistake about who was wrong - that was Mike Dubose who was well aware of what was going on. More than anything else, this case illustrated the arrogance of Bama fans who thought they were entitled to cheat and held only those who turned them in accountable for their probation.

I don't think Fulmer would have sat down with the NCAA if he had information about them buying players in the state of Alabama but he had an obligation to do whatever he had to do to put a stop to what was going on in Memphis - and he did. Good for him!
 
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CobbVol said:
Fulmer had to do something to deal with the situation in West Tennessee because we could not get the top players from that area to even visit Knoxville at that time. The state is limited in terms of athletes, but to be cut out of the main area in your state where they are located was a tremendous issue for HC Fulmer. So it wasn't just Means, it was also related to:

David Payne
Santonio Beard
Eric Locke
Fernando Bryant
Kindal Morehead
Ahmaad Gallaway and probably others I am forgetting.

I am sure Bryant would had done something similar if LSU was coming into Mobile and shutting him out in that area for recruits. Heck, while he as in charge and Auburn starting getting good the NCAA would always come knocking - that was always a strange [FONT=&quot]coincidence.[/FONT]
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Dewayne Rudd (LB) was from South Panola HS in Batesville MS (in northern Mississippi) but his recruitment in 1994 was fishy as hell too... He would verbally commit to Tennessee and then renege on it and it went back and forth for about a month before Fulmer finally said enough and let it go. That also looked like classic involvement from Logan Young. Every time Rudd reaffirmed his commitment to Tenn, Young upped the ante.

The recruitment of Rudd was the only time that local radio talk show host Mike Keith (now with the Titans) ever accused anyone on air of cheating... Curtis Alexander was also iffy (but he was a bust, so who cares?). I liked Gene Stallings but there was some bull crap going on during his tenure too... it wasn't just Dubose.

Also, as I recall, Rudd showed up for his official visit to Alabama decked out in full Tennessee gear... a la Preston Williams. He did not want to go to Alabama all things being equal. He was bought.
 
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bamawriter said:
While at UF, Spurrier's winning % against Bama was identical to Fulmer's.

It's not like Bama fans would have loved Fulmer had he never sat down with the folks from Indianapolis. But he did. Spurrier didn't. Nutt didn't. There was a third coach who reported what he'd heard about Means to the NCAA, but didn't actually participate in the investigation and, like Spurrier and Nutt, Bama fans don't despise him. He coached at Michigan State during Means' recruitment, but his name escapes me...

It's weird to me that you seem so proud of Fulmer's involvement with the case, yet you keep trying to spin it like he did nothing more than the other coaches. If you're proud of it, be proud. Fulmer went above and beyond what his peers were willing to do. If you think that's right, don't downplay it.
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First, I give you credit you used % with SOS instead of the actual # of beat downs. How many in a row did Fulmmer lay on y'alls toothless asses? LOL
Also at the end of the day you're damned right I am proud of Coach Fulmer for being honest. In Tennessee we are proud of honesty, I know in cousin kissing land honesty is not celebrated. However you try to spin it, bammer is known to be a very dirty program for decades.
 
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