'21 PA WDE Eric Gentry

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Enki_Amenra said:
We didn't want them enough to do what it would've taken to get them.
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Who is "we"? The coaches have nothing to do with NIL. The coaches absolutely wanted Verse and Neyor. Verse was just a straight up recruiting loss to FSU. It happens. Neyor had picked us, but NIL and family made him change his mind.
 
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Weezer said:
Who is "we"? The coaches have nothing to do with NIL. The coaches absolutely wanted Verse and Neyor. Verse was just a straight up recruiting loss to FSU. It happens. Neyor had picked us, but NIL and family made him change his mind.
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"We" is Tennessee. You dont really believe that the coaches have no way of telling spyre how much they want a kid? Naive.

The point thats going by you guys is that we have enough $ to get any player that we want. If the player is a "must have", we have the means to get them.
 
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Enki_Amenra said:
I have zero doubt that we can get any player out there, if we really want them.
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What defines "if we really want them"? Coaches don't control NIL. Spyre has to allocate the money they have in a way that doesn't create waves amongst the players. Are we just assuming Spyre knows who the coaches "really want"? I'm not sure that's an accurate assumption. We're still going to lose some recruiting battles, and it won't necessarily be because of NIL.
 
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Enki_Amenra said:
"We" is Tennessee. You dont really believe that the coaches have no way of telling spyre how much they want a kid? Naive.

The point thats going by you guys is that we have enough $ to get any player that we want. If the player is a "must have", we have the means to get them.
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I think you're the one being naive. Spyre has to be incredibly careful how they spread that money, otherwise, you create a system of players wanting more because so-and-so got this. You can somewhat justify a highly ranked QB getting paid high dollar. It's harder to do at other positions. The last thing you want to do is create a rift in team over "pay".
 
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Weezer said:
What defines "if we really want them"? Coaches don't control NIL. Spyre has to allocate the money they have in a way that doesn't create waves amongst the players. Are we just assuming Spyre knows who the coaches "really want"? I'm not sure that's an accurate assumption. We're still going to lose some recruiting battles, and it won't necessarily be because of NIL.
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Are you really naive enough to believe that Spyre has no way of knowing who is a top priority?

Sure, some kids won't like UT, like I hate Bama. We can get any recruit, if they're a must have, outside of hating UT or they have a dream school. Any recruit that is really looking at several different colleges, we have the means to get any one of them.
 
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Weezer said:
What defines "if we really want them"? Coaches don't control NIL. Spyre has to allocate the money they have in a way that doesn't create waves amongst the players. Are we just assuming Spyre knows who the coaches "really want"? I'm not sure that's an accurate assumption. We're still going to lose some recruiting battles, and it won't necessarily be because of NIL.
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I absolutely believe the coaches convey to Spyre what priority each recruit is. There has to be a sliding scale based on want and need of each recruit that they base the offer on.
 
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Weezer said:
I think you're the one being naive. Spyre has to be incredibly careful how they spread that money, otherwise, you create a system of players wanting more because so-and-so got this. You can somewhat justify a highly ranked QB getting paid high dollar. It's harder to do at other positions. The last thing you want to do is create a rift in team over "pay".
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You are missing the point, which is, any kid that we want, we have the means to get.

I'm sure Spyre is just gonna go sign up a bunch of NIL deals and cross their fingers that the kids come to UT or that the coaches are interested in some of them.
 
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Enki_Amenra said:
Are you really naive enough to believe that Spyre has no way of knowing who is a top priority?

Sure, some kids won't like UT, like I hate Bama. We can get any recruit, if they're a must have, outside of hating UT or they have a dream school. Any recruit that is really looking at several different colleges, we have the means to get any one of them.
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lmao Are you naive enough to believe that if Spyre throws around money as carelessly as you suggest that it isn't going to create situations where certain players don't feel they're getting enough of the pie? Just look at the NFL where we see this all the time. Why do you think we keep seeing escalating contracts? Because when one player makes a certain amount, the next guy wants more. Hopefully Spyre is not as careless as you suggest.
 
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Weezer said:
lmao Are you naive enough to believe that if Spyre throws around money as carelessly as you suggest that it isn't going to create situations where certain players don't feel they're getting enough of the pie? Just look at the NFL where we see this all the time. Why do you think we keep seeing escalating contracts? Because when one player makes a certain amount, the next guy wants more. Hopefully Spyre is not as careless as you suggest.
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You can stop putting words in my mouth. I never said to go sign 100 players at $10mil each. I said we have the means to get any player we want.

What is your argument here? You dont believe we have the means and infrastructure to get any recruit we feel is a must have?

You think Spyre just throws darts at a board?
 
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Enki_Amenra said:
You are missing the point, which is, any kid that we want, we have the means to get.

I'm sure Spyre is just gonna go sign up a bunch of NIL deals and cross their fingers that the kids come to UT or that the coaches are interested in some of them.
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No, you're missing the point. NIL is a balancing act. When money gets involved, you have to be more careful balancing out the egos. How big of a "contract" do you think players producing on the field are going to demand when they hear a recruit is getting promised "x" dollars?
 
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Weezer said:
No, you're missing the point. NIL is a balancing act. When money gets involved, you have to be more careful balancing out the egos. How big of a "contract" do you think players producing on the field are going to demand when they hear a recruit is getting promised "x" dollars?
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I am not missing any point. You're raising points that have nothing to do with what I said. Which is only that we have the means to get who we want. What the hell does that have to do with paying "X" player more than "y" player and now they're mad? Nothing at all.
 
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Enki_Amenra said:
You can stop putting words in my mouth. I never said to go sign 100 players at $10mil each. I said we have the means to get any player we want.

What is your argument here? You dont believe we have the means and infrastructure to get any recruit we feel is a must have?
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We have the means to secure equitable NIL deals. That doesn't mean we'll get everyone we want, or that we won't be outbid at times. We're not going to get every player we want. That's the only point I'm making. It's naive to say, "we must not have really wanted them" because they choose to go elsewhere. We wanted both Verse and Neyor.
 
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Weezer said:
We have the means to secure equitable NIL deals. That doesn't mean we'll get everyone we want, or that we won't be outbid at times. We're not going to get every player we want. That's the only point I'm making. It's naive to say, "we must not have really wanted them" because they choose to go elsewhere. We wanted both Verse and Neyor.
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Idk about Verse, but we didn't want Neyor as much as TX did. The point I'm making is, we have the means to outbid if we want. Obviously we didnt.
 
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Enki_Amenra said:
"We" is Tennessee. You dont really believe that the coaches have no way of telling spyre how much they want a kid? Naive.

The point thats going by you guys is that we have enough $ to get any player that we want. If the player is a "must have", we have the means to get them.
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There are other schools that can offer too. Not all kids want to go to Tennessee just like all kids don’t want to go to Bama or any other place. NIL is a factor but it is not the only factor, not every player goes to the highest bidder. It is much more complex than that. I am happy we are competitive in NIL, but I am also happy the University has a lot of other selling points that are important to recruits. GBO!
 
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Enki_Amenra said:
I am not missing any point. You're raising points that have nothing to do with what I said. Which is only that we have the means to get who we want. What the hell does that have to do with paying "X" player more than "y" player and now they're mad? Nothing at all.
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It's all part of the recruiting conversation. Spyre allows us to offer equitable NIL deals, but there's still a lot more moving pieces than just the money. Who decides what a player's worth? Is it the coaches? Is it Spyre? Is it the player himself? Who is setting the market? And when that market is set, how do you balance it with other players at the same position? Should all players at a certain position be promised the same? Should seniors make more than freshmen? Are we going to factor in performance incentives somehow? What if a player's a bust? Lots and lots of different pieces to this puzzle.
 
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Enki_Amenra said:
Idk about Verse, but we didn't want Neyor as much as TX did. The point I'm making is, we have the means to outbid if we want. Obviously we didnt.
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Maybe we couldn't, or didn't get the chance to? This was before Spyre really emerged into what it is now. And how does that really translate into "how bad" the coaches wanted him?
 
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So I guess what you all are saying is that you don't believe UT and spyre have the means to get any recruit they really want.
 
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