Pac 10 better than the SEC???

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Teddyhead

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So I was doing my usual rounds of all Pac 10 team message boards when I stumbled across this fascinating post in an ASU forum. I realize the post will probably be completely discredited by you guys and that’s understandable. I mean after all, it is just some whacko from an ASU board and for the most part it is poorly written. Still, the post begs the question, what if all of those stats he put together are accurate? Could he be onto something or is he just a Pac10 homer?

The real truth.. Pac 10 vs SEC from another board

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Would be easier to comment if it didn't say I was forbidden to access it. Maybe Volnation has a PAC-10 propaganda filter.
 
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Honestly, a lot of the stats ARE meaningless.

Saying the Pac 10 has had X amount of conference champions compared to X for the SEC makes no sense.

It doesn't mean the Pac 10 is deeper. It could mean the Pac 10 hasn't had a team with sustained success. It's worthless for either conference to use that logic.

All in all, Phil Steele does an annual conference ranking that seems pretty fair.
 
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RE: more players in NFL.
The lack of talent in the pac 10 allows marginal players to shine. I would like to see a list of pro bowl players and college conference.
 
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Yeah, good points. I figured the article would not stand up to Volnation scrutiny. Still, gotta give the guy credit for trying to defend the Pac from Les and his hurtful comments.
 
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But anyone who watches football already knew the SEC is extremely top heavy and uncompetitive within the conference.
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sorry, i cant take a guy seriously that says this. that alone should descredit alot his "knowledge" of college football. i'm not a pac-10 hater by any means, but the sec is one of the most competetive conferences out there. not trying to be biased, but the sec is far more competetive than the pac-10.
 
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duckman398686 said:
sorry, i cant take a guy seriously that says this. that alone should descredit alot his "knowledge" of college football. i'm not a pac-10 hater by any means, but the sec is one of the most competetive conferences out there. not trying to be biased, but the sec is far more competetive than the pac-10.
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I agree that the SEC is better than the Pac, but:
The one area I think he actually has a point that shouldn’t be immediately dismissed is the weak state of the lower tier SEC teams. The Vandy’s, MSU’s and O’l Miss’s and a couple others are all pretty bad, even you have to agree with that. There needs to be more parity in the SEC, something noticeably lacking after you get away from the big name teams like Tennessee, Florida, Georgia etc…. Why are those teams so bad?
 
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Teddyhead said:
I agree that the SEC is better than the Pac, but:
The one area I think he actually has a point that shouldn’t be immediately dismissed is the weak state of the lower tier SEC teams. The Vandy’s, MSU’s and O’l Miss’s and a couple others are all pretty bad, even you have to agree with that. There needs to be more parity in the SEC, something noticeably lacking after you get away from the big name teams like Tennessee, Florida, Georgia etc…. Why are those teams so bad?
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The talent is more diluted. Many more colleges here with good teams including D2 D1AA D3...heck the national champions in the lower leagues generally come from the south....
 
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crazyguy said:
The talent is more diluted. Many more colleges here with good teams including D2 D1AA D3...heck the national champions in the lower leagues generally come from the south....
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That may be true but how would the D2 and D1AA teams be taking talent away? Even the bottom of the SEC has to be more attractive to recruits than the lower divisions. DI football is still DI football; the division players want to be in.
 
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Teddyhead said:
I agree that the SEC is better than the Pac, but:
The one area I think he actually has a point that shouldn’t be immediately dismissed is the weak state of the lower tier SEC teams. The Vandy’s, MSU’s and O’l Miss’s and a couple others are all pretty bad, even you have to agree with that. There needs to be more parity in the SEC, something noticeably lacking after you get away from the big name teams like Tennessee, Florida, Georgia etc…. Why are those teams so bad?
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i can agree with that. i'm pretty sure even the lowest team in the pac-10 could compete and probably beat vandy, ole miss, or miss st. the rest of the teams are a different story though. keep in mind though that miss st. and ole miss haven't always been that bad. miss st. was actually in the sec championship in '98 against us, and ole miss was decent the past few years before cutcliffe was fired. vandy, on the otherhand, is the one team that has always made the conference look bad.
 
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Teddyhead said:
I agree that the SEC is better than the Pac, but:
The one area I think he actually has a point that shouldn’t be immediately dismissed is the weak state of the lower tier SEC teams. The Vandy’s, MSU’s and O’l Miss’s and a couple others are all pretty bad, even you have to agree with that. There needs to be more parity in the SEC, something noticeably lacking after you get away from the big name teams like Tennessee, Florida, Georgia etc…. Why are those teams so bad?
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Vandy is getting better, but they have been terrible for a long time. MSU was a very good team in the late 90s. They played us in the Sec title game in 98. Ole Miss was also very dangerous in the Manning years. So its not like they have sucked every year(except Vandy, but like I said they are getting better).
 
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Teddyhead said:
So I was doing my usual rounds of all Pac 10 team message boards when I stumbled across this fascinating post in an ASU forum. I realize the post will probably be completely discredited by you guys and that’s understandable. I mean after all, it is just some whacko from an ASU board and for the most part it is poorly written. Still, the post begs the question, what if all of those stats he put together are accurate? Could he be onto something or is he just a Pac10 homer?

The real truth.. Pac 10 vs SEC from another board

Thoughts? If Any…
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Ignorance is sometimes summed in a biased piece of propaganda. If you feel better about that state of the Bears program based on this laughable Alabama-esk post then have right at it. The statistical data and the way it is used in this post only prove the infoulable and errant lunacy of the author. :crazy:
 
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duckman398686 said:
i can agree with that. i'm pretty sure even the lowest team in the pac-10 could compete and probably beat vandy, ole miss, or miss st. the rest of the teams are a different story though. keep in mind though that miss st. and ole miss haven't always been that bad. miss st. was actually in the sec championship in '98 against us, and ole miss was decent the past few years before cutcliffe was fired. vandy, on the otherhand, is the one team that has always made the conference look bad.
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Has Kentucky had much success?
 
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crazyguy said:
RE: more players in NFL.
The lack of talent in the pac 10 allows marginal players to shine. I would like to see a list of pro bowl players and college conference.
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For the 2006/2007 Pro Bowl, it was split 15/15, if you count the special teamers.
 
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Teddyhead said:
That may be true but how would the D2 and D1AA teams be taking talent away? Even the bottom of the SEC has to be more attractive to recruits than the lower divisions. DI football is still DI football; the division players want to be in.
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It allows marginal players to shine. Players that think they may not start in the sec go to a school like appy state where they have a chance to shine and then make it in the NFL. This is just my opinion but I think it makes sense.
 
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Teddyhead said:
Has Kentucky had much success?
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kentucky is always either lukewarm or cold. but i've never known them to have a breakout year and win 10 games or anything. they've gone to bowls, including their music city bowl win against clemson this year, but thats about as far as their success has gone.
 
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memvol said:
Ignorance is sometimes summed in a biased piece of propaganda. If you feel better about that state of the Bears program based on this laughable Alabama-esk post then have right at it. The statistical data and the way it is used in this post only prove the infoulable and errant lunacy of the author. :crazy:
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Respectfully, this has nothing to do with how I feel about the Bears program. I just wanted to see what you guys thought about the post. I think the guy has a point about the weak SEC teams that the media never seems to mention when harping numerous accolades on the SEC elite.
 
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crazyguy said:
It allows marginal players to shine. Players that think they may not start in the sec go to a school like appy state where they have a chance to shine and then make it in the NFL. This is just my opinion but I think it makes sense.
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Yeah, it does now that you put it that way.
 
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