Pac 10 better than the SEC???

#26
#26
Teddyhead said:
Respectfully, this has nothing to do with how I feel about the Bears program. I just wanted to see what you guys thought about the post. I think the guy has a point about the weak SEC teams that the media never seems to mention when harping numerous accolades on the SEC elite.
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It would be cool to see the lower level sec/pac 10 teams play each other more. Heck, I'd like to see lower level teams play more teams on their level period rather than going somewhere to get hammered by the upper level teams.
 
#27
#27
crazyguy said:
It would be cool to see the lower level sec/pac 10 teams play each other more. Heck, I'd like to see lower level teams play more teams on their level period rather than going somewhere to get hammered by the upper level teams.
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Yeah, I think that would be great because too often the matches are lopsided like last years Arizona v LSU match up and the Arkansas v USC match up. Sadly we get lumped into that barrel too I guess because you guys blew us out. I am hoping this year we can set that straight, but who knows what will happen September 1st? Bottom line, one of us is going to be very unhappy. I really hope it’s not as bad as last year. That was a real bummer.
 
#28
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Teddyhead said:
Yeah, I think that would be great because too often the matches are lopsided like last years Arizona v LSU match up and the Arkansas v USC match up. Sadly we get lumped into that barrel too I guess because you guys blew us out. I am hoping this year we can set that straight, but who knows what will happen September 1st? Bottom line, one of us is going to be very unhappy. I really hope it’s not as bad as last year. That was a real bummer.
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I just wish it was gameday, so we all don't have to speculate for the next 45 days.
 
#29
#29
come on teddy change that sig
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#30
#30
vol4eva said:
I just wish it was gameday, so we all don't have to speculate for the next 45 days.
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Me too, but since it isn't what more can we do?:dunno: 45 days isn't that bad. By the time August roles around it will just about be game time.
 
#32
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Teddyhead said:
Me too, but since it isn't what more can we do?:dunno: 45 days isn't that bad. By the time August roles around it will just about be game time.
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Atleast fall practice is only about 3 weeks away. Thats when things will start to heat up.
 
#35
#35
SEC VS. PAC GAMES I WOULD LIKE TO SEE

Washington v Mississippi State

Stanford v Mississippi

Kentucky v Arizona

California v Tennessee :)

Arizona State v Vanderbilt

USC v LSU

UCLA v Alabama

Hmm, that’s just a few I would like to see. You guys like? I wonder who would win these games?
 
#36
#36
Teddyhead said:
SEC VS. PAC GAMES I WOULD LIKE TO SEE

Washington v Mississippi State

Stanford v Mississippi

Kentucky v Arizona

California v Tennessee :)

Arizona State v Vanderbilt

USC v LSU

UCLA v Alabama

Hmm, that’s just a few I would like to see. You guys like? I wonder who would win these games?
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I'd like to see Oregon play Auburn for some reason. I don't know why.
 
#41
#41
Read an article recently -- can't remember where and may even have been linked here -- that basically said the reason the SEC is overall the best conference in the country is defensive speed. PAC-10 has its fair share of offensive talent and is as good as any conference on that side of the ball.

But, SEC is simply way out in front on the other side of the ball and it tends to show in the bowl games. Not every game, mind you, but that's the overall conclusion of the article.

Seemed about right to me.
 
#42
#42
VolinArizona said:
Honestly, a lot of the stats ARE meaningless.

Saying the Pac 10 has had X amount of conference champions compared to X for the SEC makes no sense.

It doesn't mean the Pac 10 is deeper. It could mean the Pac 10 hasn't had a team with sustained success. It's worthless for either conference to use that logic.

All in all, Phil Steele does an annual conference ranking that seems pretty fair.
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Could you expand on what he does?
 
#43
#43
Teddyhead said:
SEC VS. PAC GAMES I WOULD LIKE TO SEE

Washington v Mississippi State

Stanford v Mississippi

Kentucky v Arizona

California v Tennessee :)

Arizona State v Vanderbilt

USC v LSU

UCLA v Alabama

Hmm, that’s just a few I would like to see. You guys like? I wonder who would win these games?
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See Teddy, that is where the spin in any "my conference is better than yours" argument takes place. Looking at just Wins, I could take those same teams and pit them against each other where the SEC would come out better. And as you have done, the PAC 10 would come out better. I mean come on you have LSU vs USC. LSU didn't win the SEC last year, nor did they play for it. I could also pick random top to mid SEC and pit them against top to mid PAC 10 and make it work out to where the SEC would dominate. You are just trying to bait and troll.
 
#44
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lawgator1 said:
Read an article recently -- can't remember where and may even have been linked here -- that basically said the reason the SEC is overall the best conference in the country is defensive speed. PAC-10 has its fair share of offensive talent and is as good as any conference on that side of the ball.

But, SEC is simply way out in front on the other side of the ball and it tends to show in the bowl games. Not every game, mind you, but that's the overall conclusion of the article.

Seemed about right to me.
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Pretty much. "Best conference" is purely subjective, but the SEC this year and in recent years is about as close to being inarguably the best as anybody has ever gotten. The SEC has only one great team -- Florida -- But far more "very good" teams than all other conferences.

That said, I do believe the Pac-10 is the second best college football conference in the nation. It's just that nobody is close to the SEC's quality, so it's not even really too good of a debate.
 
#45
#45
milohimself said:
Pretty much. "Best conference" is purely subjective, but the SEC this year and in recent years is about as close to being inarguably the best as anybody has ever gotten. The SEC has only one great team -- Florida -- But far more "very good" teams than all other conferences.

That said, I do believe the Pac-10 is the second best college football conference in the nation. It's just that nobody is close to the SEC's quality, so it's not even really too good of a debate.
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I disagree with you, somewhat. The main point of this thread was to try and touch on the touchy subject of the lesser SEC teams. Too often we lose sight of them in the vast greatness and numerous national titles of the SEC elite. There is something to say about a league with such disparity. Something needs to be done to raise the level of the SEC bottom dwellers or you will face eventual relegation to second best conference in the nation. Just saying…
 
#46
#46
maotai said:
See Teddy, that is where the spin in any "my conference is better than yours" argument takes place. Looking at just Wins, I could take those same teams and pit them against each other where the SEC would come out better. And as you have done, the PAC 10 would come out better. I mean come on you have LSU vs USC. LSU didn't win the SEC last year, nor did they play for it. I could also pick random top to mid SEC and pit them against top to mid PAC 10 and make it work out to where the SEC would dominate. You are just trying to bait and troll.
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No, Maotai, I was trying to stimulate debate. Your assertion that I am trolling is wholly unfounded. If I had meant to inflame and troll you know damn well I could have done a lot better. Please, stop with the hurtful comments. I am here to talk to Volunteer fans, of whom I respect greatly. Not to troll. I am sorry if some of my posts come of as such, but nothing could be further from the truth.
 
#47
#47
I agree with you. SEC does have the largest share of BCS bottom-dwellers. Ole Miss, Miss State and Vanderbilt are all currently like that. Kentucky is actually a .500-quality program right now, but we'll see how that lasts.

Still, the SEC has...

Florida - Probably the second most prominent football program in the US besides USC
LSU - Consistently the most talented football team in the US, even though they don't have the record to prove it
Georgia - Always talented and in the discussion for the SEC championship

Tennessee and Auburn are almost at that level. Tubberville needs to be a little more consistent with his talent. Tennessee is a good coaching staff away (READ: I DO NOT MEAN FIRE FULMER) from reaching the top of the conference.

On the way down: Arkansas' problems with Mustain and CHN are going to set them back... I don't see Kentucky getting any better. They will plateau at best, if not slide back down to being Kentucky.

Then the bottom dwellers.

Point being: Even though I believe the Pac to be the second-best conference, the SEC has 5 teams that would consistently finish 2nd in the Pac-10. Alabama and South Carolina would be top-half teams, too.

So while the SEC does have more dogs**t programs than any other BCS conference, it has too much talent at the top to ignore.
 
#48
#48
milohimself said:
I agree with you. SEC does have the largest share of BCS bottom-dwellers. Ole Miss, Miss State and Vanderbilt are all currently like that. Kentucky is actually a .500-quality program right now, but we'll see how that lasts.

Still, the SEC has...

Florida - Probably the second most prominent football program in the US besides USC
LSU - Consistently the most talented football team in the US, even though they don't have the record to prove it
Georgia - Always talented and in the discussion for the SEC championship

Tennessee and Auburn are almost at that level. Tubberville needs to be a little more consistent with his talent. Tennessee is a good coaching staff away (READ: I DO NOT MEAN FIRE FULMER) from reaching the top of the conference.

On the way down: Arkansas' problems with Mustain and CHN are going to set them back... I don't see Kentucky getting any better. They will plateau at best, if not slide back down to being Kentucky.

Then the bottom dwellers.

Point being: Even though I believe the Pac to be the second-best conference, the SEC has 5 teams that would consistently finish 2nd in the Pac-10. Alabama and South Carolina would be top-half teams, too.

So while the SEC does have more dogs**t programs than any other BCS conference, it has too much talent at the top to ignore.
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I see, man, this is interesting. To get a member of an SEC school to admit one of the most glaring shortcomings is a real development. Not too sure about Alabama and SC being competitive in the Pac, maybe. I just think that eventually, maybe in the next five to ten years the Pac will supplant the SEC as the best. As college football becomes more and more popular out west and our populous vastly outnumbers the south, it will only fuel and drive further success. The SEC can only maintain ABSOLUTE power for so long. As the old adage goes, when you are number 1 there is always someone looking to take you out. Just saying the time is coming when the Pac and SEC will continually battle it out for supremacy. If you don’t believe me please talk to me in five years. Really, things change, and your grip on power will come to an end. Just saying…
 
#49
#49
lawgator1 said:
Read an article recently -- can't remember where and may even have been linked here -- that basically said the reason the SEC is overall the best conference in the country is defensive speed. PAC-10 has its fair share of offensive talent and is as good as any conference on that side of the ball.

But, SEC is simply way out in front on the other side of the ball and it tends to show in the bowl games. Not every game, mind you, but that's the overall conclusion of the article.

Seemed about right to me.
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Of this I agree 110%. The SEC, for some unknown reason, always seems to have the better defenses. This is perplexingly troubling, for I know not why that is. USC seems to be the only Pac team with an SEC worthy D, yet I would pick many Pac offenses over SEC ones any day of the week. If we can figure out how to put more emphasis on defense the days of dominating ALL of college football could come to an end in the South…
 
#50
#50
I'm actually a Pac-10 fan. Since the chips at Miami and FSU are down for what seems like quite a while, nobody is taking the SEC's throne, unless other Pac-10 programs start out-recruiting Pete Carroll for that prime SoCal talent.

Still, the high school talent coming out of places like Louisiana, Alabama and Florida is just that much bigger stronger and faster than anybody else.
 
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