Pac 10 better than the SEC???

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Teddyhead said:
Of this I agree 110%. The SEC, for some unknown reason, always seems to have the better defenses. This is perplexingly troubling, for I know not why that is. USC seems to be the only Pac team with an SEC worthy D, yet I would pick many Pac offenses over SEC ones any day of the week. If we can figure out how to put more emphasis on defense the days of dominating ALL of college football could come to an end in the South…
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I banged my head against the wall for years over that. The Pac-10 does have very good coaching. Mike Riley, Pete Carroll, Jeff Tedford, Dennis Erickson... We're talking some of the best coaches in the country right there.

But the high school talent coming out of the south is just more athletic than anybody else. Texas and SoCal can produce the same quality of players, but nowhere near what the south produces.
 
#52
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milohimself said:
The high school talent coming out of places like Louisiana, Alabama and Florida is just that much bigger stronger and faster than anybody else.
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I agree, with the exception of Los Angeles there seems to be no better talent in the country. But why is that? What are they doing differently down there? Is it something in the water? Seriously, I just don’t get why this is they way things are…
 
#53
#53
I actually believe it has to do with race and the cultural history of the south... But that's a thread in itself.

SoCal also produces a lot, lot of HS talent, but Pete Carroll has it on lockdown so bad, it's not even funny. No other Pac-10 programs are going to be nationally relevant unless he leaves or they can crack that shell. IMO ASU is the only program with that shot right now. ASU, big school with good history, a very good coach in Erickson, and Tempe is just as appealing as USC.
 
#54
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milohimself said:
I actually believe it has to do with race and the cultural history of the south... But that's a thread in itself.

SoCal also produces a lot, lot of HS talent, but Pete Carroll has it on lockdown so bad, it's not even funny. No other Pac-10 programs are going to be nationally relevant unless he leaves or they can crack that shell. IMO ASU is the only program with that shot right now. ASU, big school with good history, a very good coach in Erickson, and Tempe is just as appealing as USC.
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Well I will discard the ASU comment from an otherwise great post. Those stupid recruits don’t even realize that in many instances Carroll is ruining their futures. Just look at the freaking roster of USC, they have five star recruits stuck at third string. That is a total waste of talent that could be better dispersed both nationally and primarily amongst the Pac 10 teams. Erickson will run afoul of the Pac or NCAA in short order with his pretentious disregard for academic integrity. The guy is a thug’s coach.
 
#55
#55
I have a hard time putting Arizona State and academic integrity in the same sentence to begin with. If ASU does get successful, it will be more of a program in the mold of other successful programs who operate on the fringe of NCAA rules. Oklahoma, Alabama, FSU, etc. Rather than your usual straight-laced but short-lived success stories of the Pac-10.
 
#56
#56
Still, if Dennis Erickson at ASU can't take part of USC's marketshare, who can? Stanford is done with, their academic standards are too high to ever be good at football again. I don't see any way to recruit multiple, highly-regarded young black defensive players to places like Berkeley or the PNW. UCLA football is great considering how little the university there actually cares about the football program in comparison to the rest of their sports. If Mike Stoops was going to get Zona rolling, he would have done so by now.
 
#57
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milohimself said:
I have a hard time putting Arizona State and academic integrity in the same sentence to begin with. If ASU does get successful, it will be more of a program in the mold of other successful programs who operate on the fringe of NCAA rules. Oklahoma, Alabama, FSU, etc. Rather than your usual straight-laced but short-lived success stories of the Pac-10.
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But doesn't that bother you? I mean that is just wrong, even unfair. Teams like Tennessee and Cal are the mold for fair and balanced programs. If the NCAA doesn't do something in the wake of the Oklahoma scandal I will lose complete faith in its ability to police itself. Something has to be done…
 
#58
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milohimself said:
Still, if Dennis Erickson at ASU can't take part of USC's marketshare, who can? Stanford is done with, their academic standards are too high to ever be good at football again. I don't see any way to recruit multiple, highly-regarded young black defensive players to places like Berkeley or the PNW. UCLA football is great considering how little the university there actually cares about the football program in comparison to the rest of their sports. If Mike Stoops was going to get Zona rolling, he would have done so by now.
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Again, I guess we will have to lower our standards to that of the Oklahoma's and Miami's and LSU's of the world? Tennessee too will have to lower their standards if they wish to remain competitive. This just isn’t fair. If we are to all be on a level playing field some sort of uniformity must be adopted.
 
#59
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Teddyhead said:
But doesn't that bother you? I mean that is just wrong, even unfair. Teams like Tennessee and Cal are the mold for fair and balanced programs. If the NCAA doesn't do something in the wake of the Oklahoma scandal I will lose complete faith in its ability to police itself. Something has to be done…
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Yes, it bothers me. I take pride that cheating doesn't exist in west coast football the way it does other places in the country. Erickson hasn't done anything yet, though.
 
#60
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Teddyhead said:
Again, I guess we will have to lower our standards to that of the Oklahoma's and Miami's and LSU's of the world? Tennessee too will have to lower their standards if they wish to remain competitive. This just isn’t fair. If we are to all be on a level playing field some sort of uniformity must be adopted.
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Cheating doesn't make a program. It's a culture that unfortunately coexists with college football.
 
#61
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milohimself said:
Yes, it bothers me. I take pride that cheating doesn't exist in west coast football the way it does other places in the country. Erickson hasn't done anything yet, though.
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Yeah well, just give him some time. I agree that Stanford has screwed themselves. I imagine that in the next five to fifteen years they will be sent to the WAC while Boise St. and Fresno St. will join the Pac much like Arizona and Arizona St. did way back...
 
#62
#62
Stanford is not going anywhere. They, along with USC and UCLA are way too good across too broad a spectrum of spoarts to be booted from the conference. If they did get kicked out, the Pac-10 front office would get crucified for damning smaller programs and women's sports for the sake of football.

And cheater or not, ASU with Erickson at the helm is the only program with a realistic shot at competing with USC in the long term. Tempe is a favorable destination, ASU has a great campus, and Erickson has a decent NFL pedigree, which means ASU will be a good path to the bigs. No other Pac-10 school will be able to pull that off.
 
#63
#63
Gotta go Milo, (bar closes at 2:cray:) nice talking to you this evening. You’re a nice and reasonable fellow. Though I must admit, your daft comments about ASU will keep me up tonight...:no:
 
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PS, I'm not saying ASU will challenge USC, I'm just saying they're the only Pac-10 program with a reasonable shot to do so long-term. Realistically, I think Pete Carroll will rule the Pac-10 like Bobby Bowden used to rule the ACC. USC's reign will be over when Carroll says it's over.
 
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#66
Ive been watching college football for almost 30 years...this topic is always being discussed...When I started watching, the arguement was about the SEC vs the old SouthWest COnference...then, it was the SEC vs the BIG 10....then, the SEC vs the BIG 12...now it seems to be shifting to the SEC vs PAC-10..

....does anyone but me notice a common thread here?
 
#67
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Teddyhead said:
I see, man, this is interesting. To get a member of an SEC school to admit one of the most glaring shortcomings is a real development. Not too sure about Alabama and SC being competitive in the Pac,
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I hate Bama with a passion, and having to defend them, especially to a Pac-10 fan, makes me throw up a little in my mouth, but do you know anything about Bama? Yeah, they haven't been prominent in the past 5 yrs (probation problems and mild mannered coach have had their hands tied)but they are one of the programs that make the SEC great. Excuse me now while I go outside to lose the rest of my breakfast.
 
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milohimself said:
I take pride that cheating doesn't exist in west coast football the way it does other places in the country.
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Puhleeeze - Do I need to start posting links to stories about USC, Washington . . . even Cal was sanctioned a few years ago. It goes on everywhere.
 
#71
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I know, I know ....but come on! to say Bama couldn't compete with in the PAC-10?? and if they were to transfer tomorrow I'd still hope they'd be crushed at every game but we all know that wouldn't happen.
 
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orangeblooded_2 said:
Ive been watching college football for almost 30 years...this topic is always being discussed...When I started watching, the arguement was about the SEC vs the old SouthWest COnference...then, it was the SEC vs the BIG 10....then, the SEC vs the BIG 12...now it seems to be shifting to the SEC vs PAC-10..

....does anyone but me notice a common thread here?
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Wisdom beyond his post count...
 
#74
#74
volmanjr said:
I know, I know ....but come on! to say Bama couldn't compete with in the PAC-10?? and if they were to transfer tomorrow I'd still hope they'd be crushed at every game but we all know that wouldn't happen.
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Your point was correct Jr. Just razzing you. :)
 
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