Pac-10 near consensus on new divisions

#51
#51
hatvol96 said:
Tennessee played UCLA several times in the '90s. None of those teams were "very good." Other than '98, when the two best teams they played beat them by physically mauling them, nothing about UCLA was very good in the '90s. The only reason they looked anything more than mediocre was the PAC 10 was pitiful for the decade.
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I remember Edge nearing 300 on that squad.
 
#52
#52
Bumi said:
There's far more talent in Florida and the surrounding states than there is in California.

And FSU has been much better than UCLA.
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not sure about far more, but that trend has only been the past 2 years btw. before that california and florida were neck and neck. might explain why usc isn't as good as it used to be btw.

hatvol96 said:
Tennessee played UCLA several times in the '90s. None of those teams were "very good." Other than '98, when the two best teams they played beat them by physically mauling them, nothing about UCLA was very good in the '90s. The only reason they looked anything more than mediocre was the PAC 10 was pitiful for the decade.
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a fair point. the pac-10 was pretty bad in the 90s. but historically they've been a top-20 program and generally #2 in the pac-10.
 
#54
#54
will5 said:
Droski really needs to drop this UCLA being relevant argument because it fails.
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i don't see them being relevant anytime soon, but there is zero question that with the right hire they could be regular NC contenders. will that happen? probably not, but expecting them to suck forever is a bit silly.
 
#55
#55
droski said:
not sure about far more, but that trend has only been the past 2 years btw. before that california and florida were neck and neck. might explain why usc isn't as good as it used to be btw.



a fair point. the pac-10 was pretty bad in the 90s. but historically they've been a top-20 program and generally #2 in the pac-10.
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How many times since the early '70s, which is pretty much the time of the full scale integration of the southern and southwestern football powers, has UCLA finished the season in the top 20?
 
#56
#56
milohimself said:
Completely false. Number of 3*4*5* recruits, NFL players, Division I starters are virtually identical between California and Florida.
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California has 18 million more people than Florida. Per capita, Florida produces more talent than every other state except Louisiana. And notice, I said Florida and surrounding areas.

And this season alone.

ESPNs 150 by state
Florida - 41
Georgia - 19
Texas - 18
California - 13
Louisiana - 7
North Carolina - 6
Alabama - 5
Ohio - 5
Virginia - 4
Arizona - 4
South Carolina - 3
Arkansas - 3
Maryland - 3
New Jersey - 3
Illinois - 2
Michigan - 2
Mississippi - 2
Washington - 2
Oklahoma- 1
Tennessee - 1
Pennsylvania - 1
Kansas - 1
Indiana - 1
Kentucky - 1
New Mexico - 1
New York - 1
 
#57
#57
Bumi said:
California has 18 million more people than Florida. Per capita, Florida produces more talent than every other state except Louisiana. And notice, I said Florida and surrounding areas.

And this season alone.

ESPNs 150 by state
Florida - 41
Georgia - 19
Texas - 18
California - 13
Louisiana - 7
North Carolina - 6
Alabama - 5
Ohio - 5
Virginia - 4
Arizona - 4
South Carolina - 3
Arkansas - 3
Maryland - 3
New Jersey - 3
Illinois - 2
Michigan - 2
Mississippi - 2
Washington - 2
Oklahoma- 1
Tennessee - 1
Pennsylvania - 1
Kansas - 1
Indiana - 1
Kentucky - 1
New Mexico - 1
New York - 1
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i've seen this as well and i assure you that the state of california will produce far more than 13 elite players in this class. espn has their head up their arse.
 
#58
#58
droski said:
i've seen this as well and i assure you that the state of california will produce far more than 13 elite players in this class. espn has their head up their arse.
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ESPN's "recruiting service" is absolutely awful.
 
#61
#61
Bumi said:
Here we go again.

Tell us ole wise one, how is your own knowledge superior to that of actual D1 scouts and former coaches and players?
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I'm speaking about their recruiting service as compared to Rivals and Scout.
 
#62
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DuckinTN said:
I'm speaking about their recruiting service as compared to Rivals and Scout.
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Scout is widely considered the worst, and ESPN isn't far off from Rivals, though I'd agree with Rivals being the best.

Either way, most of ESPN's top rated recruits have panned out and done well.
 
#63
#63
Bumi said:
Here we go again.

Tell us ole wise one, how is your own knowledge superior to that of actual D1 scouts and former coaches and players?
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every recruiting service has had florida and california neck and neck for YEARS. basically the same amount from both states have been drafted for the past 10 years as well. now espn is saying that florida has 3 times the amount of top athletes as california and we aren't supposed to wonder if maybe their methadology stinks?
 
#64
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droski said:
every recruiting service has had florida and california neck and neck for YEARS. basically the same amount from both states have been drafted for the past 10 years as well. now espn is saying that florida has 3 times the amount of top athletes as california and we aren't supposed to wonder if maybe their methadology stinks?
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No they haven't. It's always been Florida, Texas, California, and then Georgia, Louisiana, etc, in that order.

Which conferences produce the most NFL talent? The ACC and SEC.
 
#67
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Bumi said:
Here we go again.

Tell us ole wise one, how is your own knowledge superior to that of actual D1 scouts and former coaches and players?
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Look up the numbers yourself. The number of D-IA starters from California and Florida is nearly identical, and the NFL actually has more players from California than from Florida.
 
#68
#68
droski said:
the pac-10 has produced more draft picks per team than the sec the past 5 years.
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Actually I hunted down some draft research and per team, the SEC has produced 16.5 players drafted per while the Pac-10 has produced 15.5 players drafted per from 2006-2010.
 
#69
#69
milohimself said:
Look up the numbers yourself. The number of D-IA starters from California and Florida is nearly identical, and the NFL actually has more players from California than from Florida.
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I have. Per capita, Florida, Louisiana, South Carolina, and I believe Georgia, produce more talent than California. Combine those four states, and their total population is about equal to California's. The southeast produces more talent than any other part of the country.
 
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Bumi said:
I have. Per capita, Florida, Louisiana, South Carolina, and I believe Georgia, produce more talent than California. Combine those four states, and their total population is about equal to California's. The southeast produces more talent than any other part of the country.
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I guess the Pac-10 is doomed to suck and never win national championships, then.
 
#72
#72
DuckinTN said:
By your reasoning, that's how college football is going to unfold. An ACC or SEC team will win it all every year because the South produces so much TALENT!
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Yep, it seems you intend to continue the trend. But to be fair, I'm not quite sure you can help it.

Not that this conversation had anything to do with winning BCS titles, but if it makes you feel any better, teams from the southeast have won 8 of the 12 BCS championship games, and been featured in 9 of them. Teams from out west? Played in 2, and have won one.
 
#73
#73
Bumi said:
I have. Per capita, Florida, Louisiana, South Carolina, and I believe Georgia, produce more talent than California. Combine those four states, and their total population is about equal to California's. The southeast produces more talent than any other part of the country.
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Yet they have many more programs to spread them amongst.

You never said per capita before. You said overall. Yeah, per capita, Louisiana is tops. So what if California has like 40million people?

What you seemed to be indirectly promoting was this idea that the south produces talent at an immensely larger rate than the west, when in fact, it does not by such a wide margin as you would believe.
 
#74
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milohimself said:
Yet they have many more programs to spread them amongst.

You never said per capita before. You said overall. Yeah, per capita, Louisiana is tops. So what if California has like 40million people?

What you seemed to be indirectly promoting was this idea that the south produces talent at an immensely larger rate than the west, when in fact, it does not by such a wide margin as you would believe.
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There's far more talent in Florida and the surrounding states than there is in California.
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That's my original comment. Nothing posted in this thread has contradicted it.
 
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#75
#75
California fans will ***** and moan but absolutely nothing is going to stop the California schools from being split up. Bay area schools in the Pac-12 North, SoCal schools in the Pac-12 South.
 
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