Pac-10 near consensus on new divisions

#77
#77
And just so you can have the numbers.

Number of NFL Players

California: 211
The States I mentioned: 371

That's not counting Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee, Arkansas, or North Carolina.
 
#79
#79
hatvol96 said:
That ranking says Stanford was a top 30 team for that time period. That's all I had to see to decide to disregard.
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I can't spot too many teams behind Stanford there that I really thought needed to be ahead of them for that time period except Wisconsin and Houston.

It's a pretty simplistic ranking system, though.

RE: UCLA, historically they have been pretty mediocre with stretches of a few years here and there where they have decent teams and fill in the void if USC is sucking. But it doesn't happen that much more than any other Pac-10 school.

As for right now, as I said, UCLA is getting high-level classes without even trying. In spite of all that talent they've had, there's been not much more historical success than any of the other Pac-10 schools, which all have to work much harder to achieve that same level.

The vacuum of power in Los Angeles isn't going to consolidate the power in the Pac-10 anywhere else; it's simply going to be spread more evenly amongst 8 or 10 other programs for the time being. The Pac-10 will be deep but without any truly elite programs until USC returns to what they have always been.
 
#80
#80
milohimself said:
I can't spot too many teams behind Stanford there that I really thought needed to be ahead of them for that time period except Wisconsin and Houston.

It's a pretty simplistic ranking system, though.

RE: UCLA, historically they have been pretty mediocre with stretches of a few years here and there where they have decent teams and fill in the void if USC is sucking. But it doesn't happen that much more than any other Pac-10 school.

As for right now, as I said, UCLA is getting high-level classes without even trying. In spite of all that talent they've had, there's been not much more historical success than any of the other Pac-10 schools, which all have to work much harder to achieve that same level.

The vacuum of power in Los Angeles isn't going to consolidate the power in the Pac-10 anywhere else; it's simply going to be spread more evenly amongst 8 or 10 other programs for the time being. The Pac-10 will be deep but without any truly elite programs until USC returns to what they have always been.
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West Virginia was vastly superior to Stanford in that time period.
 
#83
#83
Nightowl said:
California fans will ***** and moan but absolutely nothing is going to stop the California schools from being split up. Bay area schools in the Pac-12 North, SoCal schools in the Pac-12 South.
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i think you underestimate the power the 4 california schools have in the pac-10.
 
#86
#86
droski said:
That isn't anywhere close to being certain. hayden, as an example, is on record saying USC wants cal and stanford in their division.
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Want to make a wager?

The divisions have already been decided. I'm about 90% the Cal schools aren't in the same division.
 
#87
#87
Bumi said:
Want to make a wager?

The divisions have already been decided. I'm about 90% the Cal schools aren't in the same division.
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i agree it's better than 50% so no i would not like to make a wager unless you are giving me odds. but it ain't anywhere near 90%. 5 pac-10 teams voted against splitting the california schools btw.
 
#88
#88
droski said:
i think you underestimate the power the 4 california schools have in the pac-10.
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But you're overestimating the power of the Northern California schools, because it sounds like the LA schools are cool with the idea that the N.Cal schools are in the Northern Division.
 
#89
#89
droski said:
i think you underestimate the power the 4 california schools have in the pac-10.
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And that's actually why they are going to be split up, regardless. You just can't stack power in one division. Well... I mean... you can...

It just probably won't turn out very well.

*cough* Big 12 *cough*
 
#90
#90
^ Exactly. Stanford is likely to go back to what they were once Harbaugh leaves, but Cal football having actual expectations on an annual basis is something that's here to stay.

No matter the organization you have otherwise, all four Cali schools in one group would end the Pac-10, period.
 
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