PAC12 player group is not too bright

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The Original Fade said:
The PAC12 player group is now mad that the conference cancelled football and has reiterated its list of demands WHICH WERE ALREADY BEING MET BEFORE THEY DECIDED TO FORM THEIR GROUP. Now they want to form a players association. I get the sense these players are being taken for a ride by some lawyers
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They are being taken for a ride by a bunch of politically driven people IMO. Just listen to ANY news channel about the "college football season" being canceled. Then they go on to mention the final few who have yet to cancel. IMO this is really more piling on trying to make this bigger and worse than it really is. The Covid-19 virus is out in nature. There is no getting away from it. New Zealand reported no cases one day this week, then backed up and a familly of four came down with it the next day. People, all of us have to live it and the doctors to date fight the symptoms and effects, but if you get the flu and it's your time to go, you go. Same for this virus, stop buying into the hype you can magically avoid it by hiding under your bed, you can't. Stop pretending your date of death is not out there somewhere, it is, whether it's this virus or something else.
 
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RobertPellitt said:
Are they getting paid already? Are they receiving any benefit that is of value already? I mean you do see the differences between a high school student who participates in an extra-curricular activity as opposed to a paid athlete attending a major university in a top five conference that generates billions of dollars, correct? I am not trying to be rude but these comparisons are just not very good. Although, this one was better than King's Island and the gun range, so maybe there is progression to it. Just as an aside, I bet the high school waivers that you are talking about may not be worth the paper they are written on because you are dealing with minors. I think thre would be a really good argument that if a child gets exposed to the virus and has a significant impairment the parent who signed for him may not be able to bind the child once he turns eighteen (18) and courts MAY even say the parent was sufficiently informed to give consent on behalf of the child. Again, I think these are different animals than what I have been suggesting.

If it is a statue of a loser Confederate Solider I would be all for it!
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When you would call any of these soldiers losers you just showed your true colors. And by looking at most of your posts you must really love to hear yourself talk.
 
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TJSVOLS said:
When you would call any of these soldiers losers you just showed your true colors. And by looking at most of your posts you must really love to hear yourself talk.
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Trump called McCain a loser for getting captured, I just thought that was the narrative. With all due respect, if you are a Confederate Soldier, you were on the losing side. And guilty of treason to the United States of America, so why should that be celebrated? By the way, just for fun, because I know you will like this, I don't "hear" myself "talk" in posting these words. Context is important.
 
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RobertPellitt said:
Trump called McCain a loser for getting captured, I just thought that was the narrative. With all due respect, if you are a Confederate Soldier, you were on the losing side. And guilty of treason to the United States of America, so why should that be celebrated? By the way, just for fun, because I know you will like this, I don't "hear" myself "talk" in posting these words. Context is important.
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I didn't say you hear yourself talk when you are posting, I just said that reading your post that you must love to hear yourself talk.
 
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The Original Fade said:
The PAC12 player group is now mad that the conference cancelled football and has reiterated its list of demands WHICH WERE ALREADY BEING MET BEFORE THEY DECIDED TO FORM THEIR GROUP. Now they want to form a players association. I get the sense these players are being taken for a ride by some lawyers
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Welcome to the world of collective bargaining.

If they continue down that path, this is going to be a hard lesson for those kids.
 
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RobertPellitt said:
Statutes of slave owners being taken down are also ok by me. Let's put some up to remember the slaves and victims of racism, that seems more appropriate to me. But this seems a bit off topic, don't you think?
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You went down that road with confederate statues. I never mentioned that. I can list non-confederate related statues also being torn down, defaced, etc in 2020. My comment was a bit tongue and cheek and perhaps needed blue font. When you don't get your way, tear things up. Its the new norm.
 
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give_him 6 said:
You went down that road with confederate statues. I never mentioned that. I can list non-confederate related statues also being torn down, defaced, etc in 2020. My comment was a bit tongue and cheek and perhaps needed blue font. When you don't get your way, tear things up. Its the new norm.
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Changing what you don't agree with is not the new norm. Calling someone a "cancel culture" because they want something different than you is. If that is the case why are people trying to change Roe v. Wade or end Obama Care? I mean why isn't that called a cancel culture.... the reason is because you agree with it. This upcoming generation is a good generation and they are getting treated like they are something privileged for doing nothing except demanding an equal playing field as the see it. It is nothing more than a generational difference, that history has long seen.
 
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The Original Fade said:
The PAC12 player group is now mad that the conference cancelled football and has reiterated its list of demands WHICH WERE ALREADY BEING MET BEFORE THEY DECIDED TO FORM THEIR GROUP. Now they want to form a players association. I get the sense these players are being taken for a ride by some lawyers
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You haven't described anything that's "not too bright." They had demands and the conference ducked them without responding, so they reiterated them. Thread title is misleading
 
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RobertPellitt said:
Reading is important. I did not argue that signing it made them employee. It does however, make them something different than they used to be. So it is quite different than your scenarios. There is always a quid pro quo with any release. You signed it to go to King's Island (which does not happen in real life) so you could enjoy the ride. However, if you bought your ticket and then they told you, you had to sign it then the relationship changes. See how that works? They changed your initial agreement, so what do you get for signing it after your original agreement? So if you are already on scholarship and they ask you to sign something that takes away a right from you, then they must give you something in return, something you didn't already have. If they don't then the agreement is called illusory, it was not based on consideration. So quite different than your scenario.
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They sign a waiver already to play football as far as concussions go with future effects and not holding the university responsible? I get what you are saying but you act like these kids don’t already have to waive certain things.
 
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NashVol11 said:
You haven't described anything that's "not too bright." They had demands and the conference ducked them without responding, so they reiterated them. Thread title is misleading
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You missed the all caps portion of my post?? All but one of the demands they were making were already being provided by the schools.
 
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RobertPellitt said:
Changing what you don't agree with is not the new norm. Calling someone a "cancel culture" because they want something different than you is. If that is the case why are people trying to change Roe v. Wade or end Obama Care? I mean why isn't that called a cancel culture.... the reason is because you agree with it. This upcoming generation is a good generation and they are getting treated like they are something privileged for doing nothing except demanding an equal playing field as the see it. It is nothing more than a generational difference, that history has long seen.
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Wow. Welcome to my ignore list.
 
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The Original Fade said:
You missed the all caps portion of my post?? All but one of the demands they were making were already being provided by the schools.
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Yes, I just don't believe you. Even if that's true, seems like you should then have been complaining when they first made the demands, and not now since nothing new has happened on that front
 
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The Original Fade said:
You missed the all caps portion of my post?? All but one of the demands they were making were already being provided by the schools.
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Pac-12 Football Unity Demands
To Protect and Benefit Both Scholarship and Walk-On Athletes


I. Health & Safety Protections
COVID-19 Protections
  1. Allow option not to play during the pandemic without losing athletics eligibility or spot on our team’s roster.
  2. Prohibit/void COVID-19 agreements that waive liability.
Mandatory Safety Standards, Including COVID-19 Measures
  1. Player-approved health and safety standards enforced by a third party selected by players to address COVID-19, as well as serious injury, abuse and death.
II. Protect All Sports
Preserve All Existing Sports by Eliminating Excessive Expenditures
  1. Larry Scott, administrators, and coaches to voluntarily and drastically reduce excessive pay.
  2. End performance/academic bonuses.
  3. End lavish facility expenditures and use some endowment funds to preserve all sports.*
*As an example, Stanford University should reinstate all sports discontinued by tapping into their $27.7 billion endowment.

III. End Racial Injustice in College Sports and Society
  1. Form a permanent civic-engagement task force made up of our leaders, experts of our choice, and university and conference administrators to address outstanding issues such as racial injustice in college sports and in society.
  2. In partnership with the Pac-12, 2% of conference revenue would be directed by players to support financial aid for low-income Black students, community initiatives, and development programs for college athletes on each campus.
  3. Form annual Pac-12 Black College Athlete Summit with guaranteed representation of at least three athletes of our choice from every school.
IV. Economic Freedom and Equity
Guaranteed Medical Expense Coverage
  1. Medical insurance selected by players for sports-related medical conditions, including COVID- 19 illness, to cover six years after college athletics eligibility ends.
Name, Image, and Likeness Rights & Representation
  1. The freedom to secure representation, receive basic necessities from any third party, and earn money for use of our name, image, and likeness rights.
Fair Market Pay, Rights, & Freedoms
  1. Distribute 50% of each sport’s total conference revenue evenly among athletes in their respective sports.
  2. Six-year athletic scholarships to foster undergraduate and graduate degree completion.
  3. Elimination of all policies and practices restricting or deterring our freedom of speech, our ability to fully participate in charitable work, and our freedom to participate in campus activities outside of mandatory athletics participation.
  4. Ability of players of all sports to transfer one time without punishment, and additionally in cases of abuse or serious negligence.
  5. Ability to complete eligibility after participating in a pro draft if player goes undrafted and foregoes professional participation within seven days of the draft.
  6. Due process rights
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Pac-12 is doing all but one of these? I certainly haven't seen that
 
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