PAC12 player group is not too bright

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#101
DarkAvenger said:
They do have the option to sit out if they deem the risk not worth it you know. Nobody has a gun to their heads so stop acting like they were drafted to Vietnam against their will. Again, I will say that as long as the players aren’t forced or coerced into playing and THEY THEMSELVES CHOOSE TO PLAY KNOWING THE RISK OF CONTRACTING THE VIRUS IF THEY DO THEN THEY HAVE TO ASSUME RESPONSIBILITY.
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You guys would suck at any contract negotiations.
 
#102
#102
RobertPellitt said:
Well it does prevent honoring it. I mean if your rationale is correct why did Germany ban the swastika? Why did it remove all images of the Nazi Party? It did so because it was on the wrong side of history. You don't need to memorialize the wrong side of history to adequately remember it.
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Yet they didn’t raze concentration camps...they actually charge admission.
 
#103
#103
RobertPellitt said:
Statutes of slave owners being taken down are also ok by me. Let's put some up to remember the slaves and victims of racism, that seems more appropriate to me. But this seems a bit off topic, don't you think?
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RobertPellitt said:
I would love to know the specific group that is part of the American democratic process and "driving a lot of policy and cultural change" that is suggesting football should be banned because it is too masculine. This is the type of genarlized rhetoric people use when they disagree with something, but don't have anything logical to use to defend their point of view.
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It's a Google click away. Plenty of articles like this....
Opinion: Hate football? Or maybe the real problem is maleness
 
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The Original Fade said:
Because the right still watches....they talk a big game but they don’t really boycott anything. Same for the left, all talk....they still watch too.
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I know what you're saying is true for many, and I could be delusional, but I suspect there in fact are a great number of us that are serious about turning it off. It used to be that the main show I instantly changed channels on or turned off the TV for is Samantha Bee, reflexive and virtually instantaneously (gave up on late night a long time ago). I am now the same way for anything pertaining to the NBA, MLB or NFL. And I'm not missing it. The PAC12 statement has the same effect. These college kids are treated like kings and queens in major sports programs, tuition, room, board, exposure. I hate the NCAA and wouldn't mind seeing changes that would give the kids further exposure, but this latest BS is too far for me, and too interwoven with the Marxist BS spreading through the country. So my attitude would be fu. Go pay for your own education and try to make it to the bigs on your own.
 
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GroverCleveland said:
The short answer is because Germany's Constitution and Basic Law does not have a protection for freedom of expression at the same level as the 1st Amendment in our Bill of Rights. It is why Americans can display Nazi (Soviet, Moaist, etc) memorabilia and Germans cannot.

And who died and made you King to decide what its "right" with regards to history and political questions? Secession was a very real question of the day and only the force of arms proved the Confederacy wrong. Another time, a different outcome, and we could find out secession is, indeed, a valid outcome.

In east Tennessee, only one county voted for secession on the first vote. After Lincoln called for volunteers to invade the southern States, the vote in east Tennessee shifted significantly overall with an additional four more counties voting essentially in favor of secession. Did east Tennessee suddenly decide slavery wasn't such a bad idea? No, a significant portion of the population believed states did have the right to leave the Union and the Federal government had no right to stop them.

The adage violence never solves anything is patently false. If one disagrees with that, I will refer you to the Carthaginian embassy, or maybe Imperial Germany's or our local CSA officials. If it gets bad enough, secession will be tested again.
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You DO understand in modernity the position of pushing states rights during the Civikl War era is tantamount to volunteering for a RACIST tattoo being placed on your forehead, right? Right or wrong or historical fact be damned, just sayin', so you know what you're signing up for my man.
 
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Remy said:
You DO understand in modernity the position of pushing states rights during the Civikl War era is tantamount to volunteering for a RACIST tattoo being placed on your forehead, right? Right or wrong or historical fact be damned, just sayin', so you know what you're signing up for my man.
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No, but I do understand that judging and labeling people is generally a bad idea when you have not walked in their shoes and especially stupid when doing it by the current day's standards (which are subject to change as the calendar does) against historical periods.

Bud, calling people a Racist, which is what you seem to be inferring, because they may know more about history than you do and have differing takes and opinions about it is the same thing as volunteering to have an "L" tattoo placed on your forehead.
 
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#112
Remy said:
You DO understand in modernity the position of pushing states rights during the Civikl War era is tantamount to volunteering for a RACIST tattoo being placed on your forehead, right? Right or wrong or historical fact be damned, just sayin', so you know what you're signing up for my man.
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And by the way, if this was all tongue-in-cheek, forgive me if my response seemed a bit harsh. Nowadays, it is hard to distinguish sarcasm from stupidity. :cool:
 
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vols4sure said:
As compared to your approach of making demands that blow up the whole deal?
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So the demanding that the players accept more risk without additional compensation has nothing to do with blowing up the whole deal? Your perspective is a bit whacky.
 
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sigmundoooz said:
Signing a waiver does not make you an employee. Otherwise, I should be getting paychecks from multiple gun clubs, a couple of white water rafting companies, a couple of summer camps, the Boy Scouts, Gold Rush Junction, Silver Dollar City, Six Flags Over Georgia, Kings Island, Universal Studios (Hollywood and Orlando), SeaWorld, Disney world, Disney Land and several long since defunct water slide parks that I can't even remember the names of. Darn it, I should be very wealthy from being an employee of all those places. Where's my money?
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If you bought concessions on any/all of the above trips, I know where your money went.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
So the demanding that the players accept more risk without additional compensation has nothing to do with blowing up the whole deal? Your perspective is a bit whacky.
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It's not going to be the primary risk they face on the field. Even when playing away they are going from controlled situation to controlled situation. I would argue that even with the increased exposure from traveling they are still less exposed than they would be if left to their own means in public.

And they already have guarenteed health care. And the universities have a vested interest in 1. Keeping them healthy and 2. Getting them the best care if they do get sick. And I dont think it's a stretch to say the health care they get on campus is far better than they would get at home.

As part of the game they have personal relations with doctors. Doctors who already team up with dietitians, S&C, coaches, etc.we already trust those doctors with the specifics of caring for players, so I dont know why a general risk would override that?
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
So the demanding that the players accept more risk without additional compensation has nothing to do with blowing up the whole deal? Your perspective is a bit whacky.
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It blew up the deal did it not? And I would say most of the players want to play so looks like the demands cost them in the end.

You are an attorney. Say you have to go to court soon but you are still worried about Covid. You going to charge your client a Covid up-charge rate for what you see as extra risk? Make them sign an agreement where they are liable if you catch Covid? If so, good luck keeping that client.
 
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vols4sure said:
It blew up the deal did it not? And I would say most of the players want to play so looks like the demands cost them in the end.

You are an attorney. Say you have to go to court soon but you are still worried about Covid. You going to charge your client a Covid up-charge rate for what you see as extra risk?
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Court hearings are done via Zoom these days. If I attend in person for anything, I attend without waiving any rights. These guys are being told they must waive their rights in advance without seeing how committed their school and others are to protecting their health. As an attorney, I would be committing malpractice to advise my client to take that course of action.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Court hearings are done via Zoom these days. If I attend in person for anything, I attend without waiving any rights. These guys are being told they must waive their rights in advance without seeing how committed their school and others are to protecting their health. As an attorney, I would be committing malpractice to advise my client to take that course of action.
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BS fake news.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
So, again, the player is supposed to waive his rights upon the school's promise to do a good job? Why is a waiver necessary? If the school is going to do such a bang up great job, then a waiver would be unnecessary.
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"Member schools may not require student-athletes to waive their legal rights regarding COVID-19 as a condition of athletics participation."
 
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