Pacman suspension

#26
#26
StunnA N' Orange said:
I don't. If you give Adam a season long suspension, I don't see how you can hand Chris a measly 8 game suspension in this situation. He's had numerous opportunities to redeem himself. I think it should be required for him to attend the nearest rehabilitation service before stepping another foot on that field.
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I agree. The only reason Jones was given the longer suspension is the fact that his issues have been more publicized. The guy has not been convicted of anything but what......disorderly conduct? Pacman deserves a suspension but a year is way to harsh if Henry only gets half of that.
 
#29
#29
I do think Pac should have gotten a big suspension, but I agree with a lot of other guys about Pacman not deserving more of a suspension than Henry. There was an article that came out today before the suspensions were announced, that was talking about the league and Goodell still taking into account being innocent until proven guilty, but these suspensions show the league was just talking out of their butt. And I doubt the suspensions get reduced, either. For once, I agree with hat; Upshaw is nothing but a puppet.
 
#30
#30
Y'all won't get any tears from me regarding either one of those wastes of oxygen..
 
#32
#32
kptvol said:
The troubles of Pac Man Jones are merely misadventures when compared to what Leonard Little has done.
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Leonard screwed up big time also. His suspension was deserved as well, although it came from a previous comissioner. Goodell is trying to make a discipline statement in his young regime in the league.
 
#33
#33
hmanvolfan said:
Leonard screwed up big time also. His suspension was deserved as well, although it came from a previous comissioner. Goodell is trying to make a discipline statement in his young regime in the league.
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I understand that he's trying to make the statement. I think he could also make a statement that he is going to deal out punishments fairly. I can't see any reason why Chris Henry deserves a lighter penalty.
 
#34
#34
Pac hasnt been convicted but was involved in a shooting where someone was paralyzed.

Now Henry has been arrested and charged like 7 times. He gave alcohol to underage girls. (I am guilty of that. :) ) Speeding tickets, dui, and whatever else. Mostly small stuff.

Now Jamal Lewis makes a coke deal. Leonard Little killed a woman while drunk, then got another DUI while on probation. Ray Lewis was involved in a murder. All these guys got next to nothing.

This suspension is WAY to long. 4 games tops. Goodell is obviously out of control. He got some power and imo the NFL will suffer in 3 to 5 yrs b/c of it.
 
#35
#35
I'll take that bet about the NFL suffering in 3 to 5 years. You didn't actually offer a bet but I would surely like to make that wager with you.
 
#37
#37
checkerboard_charly said:
Pac hasnt been convicted but was involved in a shooting where someone was paralyzed.

Now Henry has been arrested and charged like 7 times. He gave alcohol to underage girls. (I am guilty of that. :) ) Speeding tickets, dui, and whatever else. Mostly small stuff.

Now Jamal Lewis makes a coke deal. Leonard Little killed a woman while drunk, then got another DUI while on probation. Ray Lewis was involved in a murder. All these guys got next to nothing.

This suspension is WAY to long. 4 games tops. Goodell is obviously out of control. He got some power and imo the NFL will suffer in 3 to 5 yrs b/c of it.
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Exactly how many murder convictions resulted from the Ray Lewis incident in Atlanta? Oh, that's right. None.
 
#40
#40
"Any appeal would be heard and decided by Goodell."

Obviously, there has been no due process and honestly, I think that's kind of the point. You will not embarrass the NFL. Adams Jones gets a suspension twice that of Chris Henry because he's the one in the national headlines, not because what he did was supposedly twice as bad.

This is patently not "fair," whatever that means. I'm not even sure that it's supposed to even appear to be fair, frankly. This is classic new-sheriff-in-town stuff, and with the union so obviously lined up behind Goodell, he's obviously drawing a line in the sand. The NFL is exercising the same prerogative as CBS w/r/t Imus or Wal-Mart w/r/t the checkout girls that pose for Playboy; you embarrass the company, and you're gone. You work at our pleasure. It remains to be seen how it will hold up, but it's definably a radical change in direction.

(Imagine, for example, how different Ray Lewis's career arc would be if his blood-on-the-hands transgressions had occurred after this year's Super Bowl instead of in 2000. If that same thing happens now, he loses a year out of his career, at least. Instead, he's still the centerpiece of a franchise and easily a Hall of Famer. These days, it doesn't matter whether there were any convictions or not: if he embarrassed the league, then he's going to be suspended -- the legal process is now, apparently, somewhat beside the point. This policy is an unprecedented change for the league, and it'll be interesting to see how it shakes out.)
 
#42
#42
checkerboard_charly said:
You suck on Ray Ray's piece way too much Hat. Give it a break for awhile.
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When you quit spewing nonsense about a case that resulted in exactly one misdemeanor conviction as if it were on par with the collective works of the Manson Family, I'll quit defending Ray Lewis.
 
#44
#44
hatvol96 said:
When you quit spewing nonsense about a case that resulted in exactly one misdemeanor conviction as if it were on par with the collective works of the Manson Family, I'll quit defending Ray Lewis.
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From Wikipedia:

Despite his accomplishments on the field, Lewis' public image was tarnished following a Super Bowl party on January 31, 2000. Following this party, he was brought into the Atlanta Police Department for questioning, then arrested (along with his friends Reginald Oakley and Joseph Sweeting) and charged with the murders of Jacinth Baker and Richard Lollar. Baker and Lollar were stabbed and killed outside a nightclub during a fight in the Buckhead district of Atlanta. The charges resulted in Lewis being held in custody, preventing him from playing in the Pro-Bowl in Hawaii he had been scheduled to play in the following Sunday.
After news of the arrest was known, family, friends, and the public doubted Lewis's involvement in such a crime. While police examined the limo he had chartered and conducted a search of his Owings Mills, Maryland home, numerous character witnesses petitioned the courts for him to be granted bail. A few weeks later, he was offered bail by a judge under the following conditions:
  • He turn in his passport
  • He follow a 9 PM curfew
  • He would not consume an alcoholic beverage
  • He would remain in the state of Maryland, except while traveling to Georgia for legal purposes
With the NFL being in the off-season, they did not move to make any sanctions against Lewis, announcing that at the present time, it was not necessary.
The trial of Lewis and his co-defendants started during the following spring. To have murder charges dismissed, Lewis's attorney arranged with prosecutors that he plead guilty in a bargain to a misdemeanor charge of obstruction of justice[1], and agreed to testify against Oakley and Sweeting, who were each charged with murder. Lewis accepted this plea bargain, and he was sentenced to one year of unsupervised, unrestricted probation. He was also offered expungment of this record if he successfully completed his probation, and was not punished by the NFL.
Oakley and Sweeting went on to hire the very high priced legal representation of noted Atlanta criminal defense attorneys, L. David Wolfe, Bruce Harvey, and Steve Sadow. Though all were acquitted in June 2000, the Atlanta Police Department and District Attorney's office believe Lewis' associates to be guilty. No other suspects have ever been arrested for the crime.
On 29 April 2004, Lewis reached a settlement with four-year-old India Lollar, who was born shortly after the death of her father Richard. The settlement (reported by The Baltimore Sun to be at least US$1 million) pre-empted the civil trial scheduled for 14 June from going forth. The suit filed by the Baker family was also settled. The terms were undisclosed.

Now was O.J. convicted Hat? Nope. Do you think he is innocent? Nope.
 
#46
#46
checkerboard_charly said:
From Wikipedia:

Despite his accomplishments on the field, Lewis' public image was tarnished following a Super Bowl party on January 31, 2000. Following this party, he was brought into the Atlanta Police Department for questioning, then arrested (along with his friends Reginald Oakley and Joseph Sweeting) and charged with the murders of Jacinth Baker and Richard Lollar. Baker and Lollar were stabbed and killed outside a nightclub during a fight in the Buckhead district of Atlanta. The charges resulted in Lewis being held in custody, preventing him from playing in the Pro-Bowl in Hawaii he had been scheduled to play in the following Sunday.
After news of the arrest was known, family, friends, and the public doubted Lewis's involvement in such a crime. While police examined the limo he had chartered and conducted a search of his Owings Mills, Maryland home, numerous character witnesses petitioned the courts for him to be granted bail. A few weeks later, he was offered bail by a judge under the following conditions:
  • He turn in his passport
  • He follow a 9 PM curfew
  • He would not consume an alcoholic beverage
  • He would remain in the state of Maryland, except while traveling to Georgia for legal purposes
With the NFL being in the off-season, they did not move to make any sanctions against Lewis, announcing that at the present time, it was not necessary.
The trial of Lewis and his co-defendants started during the following spring. To have murder charges dismissed, Lewis's attorney arranged with prosecutors that he plead guilty in a bargain to a misdemeanor charge of obstruction of justice[1], and agreed to testify against Oakley and Sweeting, who were each charged with murder. Lewis accepted this plea bargain, and he was sentenced to one year of unsupervised, unrestricted probation. He was also offered expungment of this record if he successfully completed his probation, and was not punished by the NFL.
Oakley and Sweeting went on to hire the very high priced legal representation of noted Atlanta criminal defense attorneys, L. David Wolfe, Bruce Harvey, and Steve Sadow. Though all were acquitted in June 2000, the Atlanta Police Department and District Attorney's office believe Lewis' associates to be guilty. No other suspects have ever been arrested for the crime.
On 29 April 2004, Lewis reached a settlement with four-year-old India Lollar, who was born shortly after the death of her father Richard. The settlement (reported by The Baltimore Sun to be at least US$1 million) pre-empted the civil trial scheduled for 14 June from going forth. The suit filed by the Baker family was also settled. The terms were undisclosed.

Now was O.J. convicted Hat? Nope. Do you think he is innocent? Nope.
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hat might consider reading your post of you didn't use Wikipedia as your main source of ammunition in this case.
 
#50
#50
checkerboard_charly said:
1.He was also offered expungment of this record if he successfully completed his probation, and was not punished by the NFL.
2.all were acquitted in June 2000,
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There you go. I distilled it down to the only truly relevant facts. Remember, Charles:Brevity is the soul of wit.
 
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