Pakistan defies US, honors Iran gas deal

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Rasputin_Vol said:
Regime change plot fell apart... And here we go again ***** with a country with nukes. The Biden Administration is the most dangerous regime on the planet.

Pakistan’s Imran Khan Blocks No-Confidence Vote, Calls for Elections

Imran Khan Claims This US Diplomat Involved In 'Conspiracy' Against Him
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Well, this IS an area I know something about and Imran is FOS and trying to stave off getting kicked out because of his disastrous performance asPM. Can’t say I have a completely disintegrated opinion tho since someone I know is likely to be his replacement.
 
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Gandalf said:
Well, this IS an area I know something about and Imran is FOS and trying to stave off getting kicked out because of his disastrous performance asPM. Can’t say I have a completely disintegrated opinion tho since someone I know is likely to be his replacement.
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If he is FOS, then he is going far out on a limb by actually naming who the person was. From another report I heard over the weekend, it says that he actually has evidence of this.

Edit: Well, it mentions it in one of the stories I posted:

He said minutes of the communique regarding a meeting between the ambassador of Pakistan in the US and the US officials were shared in the NSC's meeting.
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Rasputin_Vol said:
If he is FOS, then he is going far out on a limb by actually naming who the person was. From another report I heard over the weekend, it says that he actually has evidence of this.

Edit: Well, it mentions it in one of the stories I posted:
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Meh, he named Donald Lu, the Ass. Sec State for South Asia, basically the primary point person for our state dept regarding Pakistan - and an office I have met with many times. Lu is an experienced hack and I highly doubt he said anything to Pak Ambassador Khan (who was appointed by Imran Khan) that was incriminating. Not how it works in my experience.

But IK is completely FOS in this case, since the only evidence he has is the drafted notes supposedly outlining the discussion between the PAK Ambassador and ASecStateSA Lu - drafted by the Pak Ambassador lol. IK needs proof of foreign meddling to invoke Pak Article 5 to try to ignore the no-confidence vote. So he tried to claim interference and then call for another national election. If that motion is granted, then he can select a caretaker PM until the election is held.

All that crap is not going to fly tho. The Pak Supreme Court is meeting today and will likely bounce him and declare his action illegal. Then parliment will sort out who they want to form new government. Its going to be a coalition with Sharifs or Bhuttos (PLN/PPP) leading it.

Good thing is its likely to be more friendly to the USA. Bad thing is we are too weak and stupid to take good advantage of the friendship.

Also on the plus side for Pakistan is that this is the first time a government will have changed through a no-confidence vote. Previously they were all through Pak Army stepping in. So this is showing strength in their democratic institutions really and a maturing governance system - that is, if the SC does the expected right thing.
 
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No matter who the US plugs in Pakistan, they still seem to desire working with Russia over pipelines and other trade.

Meeting with Prime Minister of Pakistan Shehbaz Sharif


President of Russia Vladimir Putin: Mr Prime Minister,

I am delighted to meet you. I have a warm recollection of my working meetings with your brother [Nawaz Sharif], with whom we met on the sidelines of SCO meetings in Kazakhstan and in Bashkiria, Russia.

I would like to note that we see Pakistan as a priority partner in Southeast Asia and Asia as a whole. Relations between our countries are developing absolutely positively, and we are pleased about that.

I would like to begin our meeting by expressing condolences over the loss of life from natural disasters, the unprecedented flooding in Pakistan. For our part, we are willing to help your people. We have dispatched the necessary humanitarian aid there, and we are ready to help you organise assistance to the flood victims.

As I have noted, our relations are developing very positively and in many spheres. Trade and economic ties are the first sphere worthy of note. Regrettably, our trade has subsided somewhat because of the pandemic, but the next meeting of the intergovernmental commission is scheduled to take place in Karachi this autumn. I hope that our colleagues on both sides will not only find ways to restore mutual trade but also to increase it.

There are things we need to work on, and we see good prospects in several spheres, such as railway transportation and energy. There are very interesting and large-scale projects, namely the Pakistan Stream gas pipeline project, which involves building the infrastructure needed for the delivery of LNG.

The objective is to deliver pipeline gas from Russia to Pakistan. This is possible as well, in view of the fact that some infrastructure is already in place in Russia, Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan. We need to settle the Afghan issue. There are problems with political stability there, but I hope this problem can be settled as well, because we have good relations with the people of Afghanistan. I also have in mind Pakistan’s ability to influence the situation there.

We can implement many other interesting projects. We will do everything in our power to continue working in a positive spirit.

Thank you.

Prime Minister of Pakistan Shehbaz Sharif: Thank you, Your Excellency President Putin.

It is really a great honour and a pleasure to call on you along with my colleagues, the Foreign Minister, Defence Minister and Finance Minister. My brother, Nawaz Sharif, sends you his very warm regards. I brought good wishes for you and the people of your great country, Russia, from Pakistan. The people of Pakistan convey their very good wishes to you.

President Putin, thank you for your condolences message. We have had devastating floods because of unprecedented torrential rains in Pakistan, which have hurt the entire country: 33 million people have been affected, 1,400 have died, and hundreds of children have died. Millions of acres of crops – rice, cotton, sugar cane – all gone. Millions of houses have been damaged, partially or completely. The Foreign Minister’s province of Sindh has been most devastated, as well as Balochistan, and then other parts of Pakistan. Thank you for your support. We have received your valuable support at this critical time. We are very grateful to you.

I just want to let you know that my fond memories with your great country go back to 1968–1969, when I was a student. That was my first trip to any international country. So, I went to Moscow – my father sent me for business training. I met companies like Stankoimport and Mashinexport – they had their office at Dom 35, Moscow. That is my memory with your great country.

At that time, we had barter trade between Pakistan and the Soviet Union. The first steel plant was built by the Soviet Union in Karachi. His grandfather, Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, laid the foundation stone. We had tremendous partnership – that is the kind of relationship Pakistan had with your great country. It is on its own, it does not need any support, it is inclusive and it is not at the cost of any other country.

Your Excellency, we want to build our relations with your great country with full commitment and full dedication, because you are a superpower. Pakistan stands to gain from this mutual cooperation, mutual understanding, promoting trade, investment, and other areas like gas pipelines. We had signed a protocol in 2016–2017 that needed to be implemented. Unfortunately, for some reason, it could not be, but I know the potential your great country has, from which Pakistan must benefit in our own interest.

I have come here with my delegation with this proposal for your kind consideration, Mr President. We need to further cement our relations. We need to further build our relations in the field of energy, in the field of trade, in the field of investment and of course other strategic areas.

You are a man of action. You decide, and then you implement. I want to assure you that I want to work closely with you for our mutual [benefit].
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Khan Undergoes Surgery After Surviving Assassination Attempt, Shooter Confesses | ZeroHedge
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Hmmmm...
“I wanted to eliminate him because he (Imran Khan) was misleading the people. I tried to shoot him and nobody else. I made the decision when he left from Lahore. I acted alone, nobody else is involved,” the alleged shooter was heard saying in a video uploaded by Pakistan journalist Hamid Mir.
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There are conflicting reports that a second shooter was firing an automatic weapon, but the investigation is ongoing.
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Imran Khan will learn that if you don't tap dance to the US tune, then you are our enemy. National sovereignty is not a "western value" or part of the "rules based order".

 
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It was a legal, democratic process though... or so I've been recently told.

US Helped Engineer A Coup Against Pakistan's PM Khan Over Ukraine Stance | ZeroHedge


Below is the key and damning part of what was said next, according to the secret cable:

"I think if a no-confidence vote against the prime minister succeeds, all will be forgiven in Washington because the Russia visit is being looked at as a decision by the prime minister. Otherwise, I think it will be tough going ahead," Lu is alleged to have told Majeed, who sent the details of the conversation in the "cypher" to Islamabad.​



"What do you think of us? Are we your slaves ... that whatever you say, we will do?"
Imran Khan
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Perfectly acceotable..acceptable... no harm, no foul.
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so nice you had to post it in two different threads, and drag me into this one too?

and way to go really chopping up the context to find your sound bites.

the first quote came from the opposition party who had already put into motion the measures for a vote of no confidence, and they were talking to an American representative about the possible fallout. unless you have something else there is nothing nefarious in us telling them how we will react to their actions. its called diplomacy.

the quote from Khan was a standalone speech that actually happened before the vote-of-no-confidence.

and its pretty telling that all you have is a very light connection to the US and the vote of no confidence; and can't even tentatively tie us to his house arrest, being thrown in jail, or losing the ability to run again. and for the record it was also the second time Khan had been arrested so you need to go find that conspiracy theory to link us to his first arrest too, because its pretty clear he had an established pattern of pissing off the other officials in Pakistan before this situation arose.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Seems like the US only engages in "diplomacy" is when we are ready to flip a govt.
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LOL. you are guilty of confirmation bias. you are only looking at where governments change happens. we have relations with every nation in the world. Usually that's one of the things you complain about, but you conveniently forget that when you want to make another half baked thought.

and yeah you are going to see us more diplomatically involved in a nation that has something going on than one that doesn't. you don't have to throw a lot of effort at the people you have long relationships with that are maintaining their side of the relationship. you start having someone go through some crap, and every nation is going to put more diplomatic effort into that nation, not just the US.

you have US-Derangement-Syndrome, just like EL has Trump Derangement Syndrome. in both cases your targets HAVE to be the worst ever, have to be guilty of something, have to be criminally involved, have to be the first/worst to do something. your hatred blinds you so much you miss the real issues in your drive to find any conspiracy you dig up that makes you hate the target more than you already do.
 
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Yeah, I’m not seeing this as meeting the standard for an “American” coup. The way headlines are written you would think we ordered a general to assassinate Khan
 
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