Palestinians celebrate death of children.

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Yeah.... there's a real parallel between the pervasiveness of Westboro's stupidity in America and hatred of Jews among the Arabs/Muslims in Gaza.:rolleyes: For all their abject ignorance, I am not aware of Westboro being part of terrorist activities, are you?

Good grief.
 
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Meanwhile, Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad said he "clearly and firmly denounces the terror attack, just as I have denounced crimes against Palestinians.

"We are against all types of violence," Fayyad said during a tour in Bethlehem. "Our position has not changed. As we have said many times before, we categorically oppose violence and terror, regardless of the identity of the victims or the perpetrators."
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hmmm
 
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I would like to see more action and less talk from guys like Fayyad.
 
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sjt18 said:
Yeah.... there's a real parallel between the pervasiveness of Westboro's stupidity in America and hatred of Jews among the Arabs/Muslims in Gaza.:rolleyes: For all their abject ignorance, I am not aware of Westboro being part of terrorist activities, are you?

Good grief.
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One could call their hate speech terrorism.
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VOLatile said:
One could call their hate speech terrorism.
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Yeah... that pesky 1st Amendment.

No. One could NOT call their "hate speech" terrorism. But lets play along with your line of reasoning a minute. If it is then certainly the Feds should be all over the Wisconsin union protesters. Their speech has come in much greater volume and with just as much hate as Westboro... and they've even made direct threats of violence. I guess Obama's pastor was also a terrorist... his speech was certainly hateful. The list goes on and on for both sides once you start down the "hate speech" = oppression/violence line of reasoning.
 
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I'm definitely in agreement but the death threats made by the Wisc protesters could and should be prosecuted
 
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utvolpj said:
I'm definitely in agreement but the death threats made by the Wisc protesters could and should be prosecuted
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But not because it is "hate speech". You cite an important distinction. Westboro's "speech" is vile in every respect however it is not criminal because it does not threaten violence... at least not by human hands. The "hate speech" of these Palestinians has been backed up by numerous acts of violence.
 
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sjt18 said:
But not because it is "hate speech". You cite an important distinction. Westboro's "speech" is vile in every respect however it is not criminal because it does not threaten violence... at least not by human hands. The "hate speech" of these Palestinians has been backed up by numerous acts of violence.
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Look at the number of innocent Palestinians killed by Israel vs. the number of innocent Israelis killed by Palestinians and then let's talk about who the terrorists are.
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VOLatile said:
Look at the number of innocent Palestinians killed by Israel vs. the number of innocent Israelis killed by Palestinians and then let's talk about who the terrorists are.
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got any hard numbers on that that don't come from a source that has an obvious bias against Israel?
 
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MG1968 said:
got any hard numbers on that that don't come from a source that has an obvious bias against Israel?
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Seems like anything that isn't pro-Israel is automatically considered against Israel. It's a messy grey situation over there. It's silly to demonize one side.
 
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IPorange said:
Seems like anything that isn't pro-Israel is automatically considered against Israel. It's a messy grey situation over there. It's silly to demonize one side.
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When Israeli civilians climb fences into Ramallah or Jenin and stab families to death, I'll agree with you.
 
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MG1968 said:
When Israeli civilians climb fences into Ramallah or Jenin and stab families to death, I'll agree with you.
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Why doesn't Jordan, Syria, Lebanon seem willing to sacrifice some of their land for the Palestinians? You can't take it all from Israel when the Palestinian 'partners' are unwilling to sacrifice themselves.
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JayVols said:
Why doesn't Jordan, Syria, Lebanon seem willing to sacrifice some of their land for the Palestinians? You can't take it all from Israel when the Palestinian 'partners' are unwilling to sacrifice themselves.
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Egypt and Jordan had occupied parts of the UN parceled Palestinan State from 1948-1967 and did nothing to return that land and establish a Palestinian homeland. When the Israelis returned the Sinai Penisula to Egypt in the late 70's or early 80's, the Egyptians still did nothing to create a Palestinian state.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Egypt and Jordan had occupied parts of the UN parceled Palestinan State from 1948-1967 and did nothing to return that land and establish a Palestinian homeland. When the Israelis returned the Sinai Penisula to Egypt in the late 70's or early 80's, the Egyptians still did nothing to create a Palestinian state.
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Exactly. Where's the outcry over that? Nonexistant. It is rediculous to expect Irael be the lone state sacrificing land. Let those that are 'sympathetic' to the Palestinian homeland sacrifice as well....or STHU!
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JayVols said:
Exactly. Where's the outcry over that? Nonexistant. It is rediculous to expect Irael be the lone state sacrificing land. Let those that are 'sympathetic' to the Palestinian homeland sacrifice as well....or STHU!
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Agree.
 
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JayVols said:
Why doesn't Jordan, Syria, Lebanon seem willing to sacrifice some of their land for the Palestinians? You can't take it all from Israel when the Palestinian 'partners' are unwilling to sacrifice themselves.
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IIRC, most Palestinians originated from Jordan.
 
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VOLatile said:
Look at the number of innocent Palestinians killed by Israel vs. the number of innocent Israelis killed by Palestinians and then let's talk about who the terrorists are.
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The stats would help but what would help even more is a detail of why they were killed. Were they targeted or were they collateral casualties as terrorists tried to hide behind them when the IDF counter struck?

I would pretty much guarantee that the Israelis would abide by any of the land for peace treaties they've tried with the Palestinians... Kinda difficult to make peace though with groups whose prime objective is destroying you.

As someone wisely said, if Israel's enemies unilaterially dropped their arms there would be no more war... if Israel unilaterially dropped their arms there would be no more Israel.

On every occasion when there has been a brief period of peace, Israel has provided much needed employment to Palestinians.... apparently the Palestinian leadership thinks they're better off starving and dying.
 
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IPorange said:
Seems like anything that isn't pro-Israel is automatically considered against Israel. It's a messy grey situation over there. It's silly to demonize one side.
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No. It isn't very grey at all.

Israel's enemies deny the country's right to exist. If you agree with that premise then attacks on Israel are justified.

Israel is an advanced democratic country that shows every indication of being willing to coexist with their Arab neighbors. If you agree with that premise then the attacks are wholly unjust and Israel's response to them is VERY reserved.

Think about it. Israel gave up land to the Palestinians in exchange for peace just a few years ago. They continue to suffer attacks but have not seized the territory back.

IMO, Israel is in the right and the Arabs are in the wrong. Israel is defending itself while the Arabs are the aggressors.
 
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sjt18 said:
IIRC, most Palestinians originated from Jordan.
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Then Jordan should sack up and lead by example rather than pass the buck. It's easy to ask others to do what you are unwilling to do. Looks disingenuous but it's easy.
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JayVols said:
Then Jordan should sack up and lead by example rather than pass the buck. It's easy to ask others to do what you are unwilling to do. Looks disingenuous but it's easy.
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None of the Palestinians' "supporters" have much real sympathy for them. They have much more room to offer them a home than Israel does...

It seems they are using those poor people as a means to justify more hatred and attacks on Israel.
 
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