Palin should be in jail. The Right bias.

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utgibbs said:
You've nailed it, IP. I didn't think it was too hard to make connections, but you know this forum better than I do. :hi:

I'm not sure I'm outside the tenor of the board though, to be fair. Some of the OP titles on this page inspired mine.
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You have to know that this isn't an even playing field. Every thread is a road game if you aren't a dyed-in-the-wool conservative.
 
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kptvol said:
Even if this were a crime are we really going to act like a politician getting away with something is result of "right bias"?
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The bias has far more to do with the entrenchment of radical right wing ideology permeating our lives. How else do you get a law regarding "Animal Enterprise Terrorism" on the books? It takes a deep entrenchment of some really radical values, and it takes both sides of the aisle. It takes REVERSING the very tenets we bequeathed to world culture in legal form.

Did Orwell get the year wrong? Not so much, methinks.
 
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IPorange said:
You have to know that this isn't an even playing field. Every thread is a road game if you aren't a dyed-in-the-wool conservative.
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Discourse seems to have gotten a lot better as of late, but I may be wrong. The same topics are rehashed every week, though.
 
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The country is center-right. Tends to skew everyone's perception in any given debate as to who is extreme and who is mainstream.
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utgibbs said:
I haven't even mentioned the abortion clinic websites, MG.

The Right is ascendant. Why is it angry?
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Is it true that getting an abortion gets liberal woman into some kind of exclusive club? The more you get, the higher your ranking? How can a woman be a REAL liberal without one?

Liberals are responsible for 50 MILLION deaths since 1973. You must be proud.
 
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utgibbs said:
The bias has far more to do with the entrenchment of radical right wing ideology permeating our lives. How else do you get a law regarding "Animal Enterprise Terrorism" on the books? It takes a deep entrenchment of some really radical values, and it takes both sides of the aisle. It takes REVERSING the very tenets we bequeathed to world culture in legal form.

Did Orwell get the year wrong? Not so much, methinks.
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Meanwhile the other side of the aisle is working on the fifth incarnation of th Fairness Doctrine.
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azVolFan said:
Is it true that getting an abortion gets liberal woman into some kind of exclusive club? The more you get, the higher your ranking? How can a woman be a REAL liberal without one?

Liberals are responsible for 50 MILLION deaths since 1973. You must be proud.
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True colors shining through...

The car has been responsible for more deaths than the two great wars combined....

I'm not a big fan of abortion. I'm also not a big fan of legislating the bedroom or a woman's body.
 
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bam15 said:
I doubt he knows about his are views.
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Can we get a translation?

You interest me bam. I'm trying to understand your hard-line. We have healthy respect for Keynes after all. The answer I keep coming up with is: Democrat who now hates Ralph Nader. Are you just a dyed-in-the-wool Dem who doesn't like progressive caucus?
 
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azVolFan said:
Is it true that getting an abortion gets liberal woman into some kind of exclusive club? The more you get, the higher your ranking? How can a woman be a REAL liberal without one?

Liberals are responsible for 50 MILLION deaths since 1973. You must be proud.
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Wow. You really have gone off the edge. Congrats.
 
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utgibbs said:
Can we get a translation?

You interest me bam. I'm trying to understand your hard-line. We have healthy respect for Keynes after all. The answer I keep coming up with is: Democrat who now hates Ralph Nader. Are you just a dyed-in-the-wool Dem who doesn't like progressive caucus?
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Was joking on the use of you're/your.
 
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utgibbs said:
True colors shining through...

The car has been responsible for more deaths than the two great wars combined....

I'm not a big fan of abortion. I'm also not a big fan of legislating the bedroom or a woman's body.
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I'm not a big fan of abortion either. The libertarian in me would be more inclined to understand the plight of a pregnant woman is 100 various versions of birth control did not exist. This has led me to feel that unborn children should have more right to live than their mothers have the right to "terminate" them. This is issue is not quite black and white for me but I have a hard time giving even an inch the groups who support such thing as partial-birth abortion. It's barbaric.
 
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utgibbs said:
I'm also not a big fan of legislating the bedroom or a woman's body.
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Kind of off topic a bit...

As a man, what reproductive rights do we have? Just curious, because it seems that if a man is not ready to be a father, the woman can have the child anyways and drain his pockets for 18 years and deny him visitation.'

If he does want to be the father, she can do the coat hanger thing.
 
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utgibbs said:
Were Sarah Palin in the Animal Rights movement - instead of a moose "hunter" - she would already be in jail for her website.

Doubt it?

This case is being appealed to the US Supreme Court:

U.S. v. SHAC 7 | Center for Constitutional Rights

The crime? "Animal Enterprise Terrorism" (my bold) - hosting a website listing the names and addresses of people associated with Huntingdon Life Sciences that might influence others.

Sarah Palin should be in jail - plain and simple.

Let's not talk about the 800lbs gorilla in the parlor; the bias is absolute. The Bill of Rights is in tatters. We have earned history's censure.
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It is Sunday morning and wife and child are still sleeping. Normally I would not waste my time (you are the guy that put forth the proposition that "private HC doesn't work") but:
WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
 
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gasguy98 said:
It is Sunday morning and wife and child are still sleeping. Normally I would not waste my time (you are the guy that put forth the proposition that "private HC doesn't work") but:
WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
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I think the evidence is actually starting to convince people that private health systems are less efficient always and certainly do not outperform the government run health systems. It's academic: there is no incentive in the private system. The goal of a health care system is to be used as little as possible. Or, to put it another way, a healthy public.

I learned about the SHAC-7 in reading about the AZ shooting. Here, a group did nothing but post names of people who worked at Huntingdon Life Sciences on a website. They have been convicted of terrorism because their website could influence others. Palin had a much worse website, but has not been arrested for terrorism although someone actually attempted to kill one of her "targets."

No justice, and the first amendment is in tatters.
 
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kptvol said:
2 Pap smears a lifetime is a good way to help in that regard.
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I'd like to know which service subscribes to that rationing. Regardless, assuming half of the uninsured are women, we ration an entire population to ZERO.

And tell me, will they underperform the US system????
 
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utgibbs said:
I'd like to know which service subscribes to that rationing. Regardless, assuming half of the uninsured are women, we ration an entire population to ZERO.

And tell me, will they underperform the US system????
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If you don't want to prioritize your health enough to get the recommended tests done, that's your prerogative. I'd prefer the rest of us have access to needed medical care in a system that isn't overloaded with the kind of trash that is currently screwing TennCare.
 
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kptvol said:
If you don't want to prioritize your health enough to get the recommended tests done, that's your prerogative. I'd prefer the rest of us have access to needed medical care in a system that isn't overloaded with the kind of trash that is currently screwing TennCare].
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If you only knew. My mama worked in that dept. for years.

The stories are endless.
 
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kptvol said:
If you don't want to prioritize your health enough to get the recommended tests done, that's your prerogative. I'd prefer the rest of us have access to needed medical care in a system that isn't overloaded with the kind of trash that is currently screwing TennCare.
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I understand the TennCare disdain. However, there are those out there like me who work everyday (in a professional job requiring a college degree) who are completely locked out/in to what if any health care that we have due to a medical condition not of our own doing. We have zero choices or recourse in the matter. Do we just get discarded as unfit to live? I could go for disability and be completely on the taxpayers dime, but I value work too much to do that. I'm damned if I do, damned if I don't.
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JayVols said:
I understand the TennCare disdain. However, there are those out there like me who work everyday (in a professional job requiring a college degree) who are completely locked out/in to what if any health care that we have due to a medical condition not of our own doing. We have zero choices or recourse in the matter. Do we just get discarded as unfit to live? I could go for disability and be completely on the taxpayers dime, but I value work too much to do that. I'm damned if I do, damned if I don't.
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I don't know your particular situation, so I won't comment on it. I do know that if 50% of your TennCare patients show up for their appointments, it's time to open a bottle of champagne. People that are disabled and unable to work are special circumstances. Trash that show up 30 minutes late then play on their G4 phone while you talk to them about their easily avoidable medical problems deserve to be kicked in the teeth.
 
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kptvol said:
I don't know your particular situation, so I won't comment on it. I do know that if 50% of your TennCare patients show up for their appointments, it's time to open a bottle of champagne. People that are disabled and unable to work are special circumstances. Trash that show up 30 minutes late then play on their G4 phone while you talk to them about their easily avoidable medical problems deserve to be kicked in the teeth.
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You speak as if you have some firsthand knowledge.
 
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