Palin: Smart enough to get into UT?

[therealUT]

But even people who don't get out much can learn tons about the world through reading. It's clear that she doesn't even do that a whole lot.

Obama, who admittedly is inexperienced, is bi-racial, spent part of his childhood in an Asian country, went to elite schools with privileged people, yet worked on the South Side, one of the poorest communities in the country, has a breadth of experience that demonstrates that he can empathize with people who are not like him (i.e., everyone). This is critical when relating to both friends and enemies. That is the difference.

Reading newspapers and most periodicals will not give one great in-depth knowledge of the world. Reading books certainly has the ability to do that, if they are the right books. Your whole outlook on intelligence and education is completely unfounded and irrational.

As for BHO, I could care less about the ability to empathize with people.

 

[CaedmonVol]

Obama has spent a lot of time learning how the rest of the world thinks. The rest of the world likes it when you speak in favor of a violent socialist.

Wow, lots to work with here.

1. The "rest of the world" are people and regimes that are either our allies, or we should be trying to turn into our allies. So making the rest of the world happy should be a good thing, as long as it's in the U.S.'s interest as well.

2. How is Obama a violent socialist? That is a much better phrase for Bush II. Bush II started an unnecessary war that killed lots of people. Bush II signed the Medicare Part D prescription drug benefit, one of the most wildly reckless federal expenditures ever, which we can't afford. Bush II just signed into law the $700B Paulson plan, which according to many academics (see yesterday's WSJ op-ed) won't even work. So in terms of killing lots of people, and spending lots of your tax dollars for unnecessary stuff, I think Bush II takes that title.

 

[therealUT]

Wow, lots to work with here.

1. The "rest of the world" are people and regimes that are either our allies, or we should be trying to turn into our allies. So making the rest of the world happy should be a good thing, as long as it's in the U.S.'s interest as well.

You should spend some quality time reading On War and The Prince in order that you become enlightened as to why strength in certain alliances grows or decays.

Yes, these are some of the "right books" I was talking about.

 

[kptvol]

Wow, lots to work with here.

1. The "rest of the world" are people and regimes that are either our allies, or we should be trying to turn into our allies. So making the rest of the world happy should be a good thing, as long as it's in the U.S.'s interest as well.

2. How is Obama a violent socialist? That is a much better phrase for Bush II. Bush II started an unnecessary war that killed lots of people. Bush II signed the Medicare Part D prescription drug benefit, one of the most wildly reckless federal expenditures ever, which we can't afford. Bush II just signed into law the $700B Paulson plan, which according to many academics (see yesterday's WSJ op-ed) won't even work. So in terms of killing lots of people, and spending lots of your tax dollars for unnecessary stuff, I think Bush II takes that title.

I never called Obama a violent socialist. Go away.

 

[CaedmonVol]

and it only took 22 posts to get something resembling truth out of you. Your elegant defense of Obama's credentials is bogus. He had no control over his genealogy, nor where he attended school as a youth. He purposefully went to Chicago to be molded by its corrupt political machine.

Obama can no more relate to someone like me than I can relate to a socialist with no understanding of the Laffer curve or a man who counts among his friends a domestic terrorist.

I'm not saying that he's great because he's bi-racial and grew up partly in Indonesia. I'm saying that to handle foreign affairs, he brings a perspective to the table that helps to make up for his lack of experience. He is smart and has a ton of perspective -- with smart advisors he will be a good decisionmaker and make other countries want to be our ally again.

By the way, with respect to the Ayers reference, he is much more well known for work in education reform, and lots of politicians have worked with him, from both parties. Whether you want to call him a terrorist is up to you -- but Obama has only a passing connection to him.

 

[CaedmonVol]

I never called Obama a violent socialist. Go away.

Oh. Who is the violent socialist, then?

 

[therealUT]

2. How is Obama a violent socialist? That is a much better phrase for Bush II. Bush II started an unnecessary war that killed lots of people. Bush II signed the Medicare Part D prescription drug benefit, one of the most wildly reckless federal expenditures ever, which we can't afford. Bush II just signed into law the $700B Paulson plan, which according to many academics (see yesterday's WSJ op-ed) won't even work. So in terms of killing lots of people, and spending lots of your tax dollars for unnecessary stuff, I think Bush II takes that title.

I find it humorous that you are berating GWB for his expenditures concerning Medicare, yet, I perceive you are going to vote for BHO and his UHC plan. That makes perfect sense.

As for whether or not the Iraq War is or is not necessary, that is certainly going to be debated for the next twenty or so years. However, I can guarantee you that more people will be killed, at the hands of violent armies and rogue militias, on BHOs watch than were killed on GWBs.

Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas, AQ, Russia, the Tamil Tigers, and Abu Sayyaf, just to name a few, are licking their chops at the prospect of a pacifist taking office at a time in which America is seemingly weaker, financially, than they have been in the past 20 years.

 

[Vol Mania 21]

and tell me how obama knows how our enemies think?

 

[therealUT]

he will be a good decision maker and make other countries want to be our ally again.

Yes, he has shown his ability to make prudent decisions through his extended and in-depth relationships with Wright, Rezko, Ayers, and ACORN. He just radiates sound judgment.

Also, countries making allies is not comparable to you having a drinking buddy. Alliances are formed through national self interests, not through sweet, charming talk.

 

[CaedmonVol]

I find it humorous that you are berating GWB for his expenditures concerning Medicare, yet, I perceive you are going to vote for BHO and his UHC plan. That makes perfect sense.

As for whether or not the Iraq War is or is not necessary, that is certainly going to be debated for the next twenty or so years. However, I can guarantee you that more people will be killed, at the hands of violent armies and rogue militias, on BHOs watch than were killed on GWBs.

Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas, AQ, Russia, the Tamil Tigers, and Abu Sayyaf, just to name a few, are licking their chops at the prospect of a pacifist taking office at a time in which America is seemingly weaker, financially, than they have been in the past 20 years.

1. The U.S. budget is so out of control that all of these expenditures, whether Bush II's, Obama's or whoever's are pushing us deeper and deeper into crippling debt. I don't deny that UHC will exacerbate that problem, but hopefully Obama's financial gurus (Buffett, Volcker, Rubin, etc.) can help him run the numbers. I think they're pretty good with money.

2. "We will kill Bin Laden, and we will crush Al Qaeda." Words of a pacifist? That is from the second debate. If by "pacifist," you mean someone who engages in warfare against real (rather than imaginary) enemies, then OK, you're right.

 

[therealUT]

2. "We will kill Bin Laden, and we will crush Al Qaeda." Words of a pacifist? That is from the second debate. If by "pacifist," you mean someone who engages in warfare against real (rather than imaginary) enemies, then OK, you're right.

They are words of an empty suit.

Your problem is you are buying in to BHOs rhetoric while he is doing his best to convince moderates in America that he is not as far left as his entire adult lifetime prior to December 2007 has shown.

 

[CaedmonVol]

Yes, he has shown his ability to make prudent decisions through his extended and in-depth relationships with Wright, Rezko, Ayers, and ACORN. He just radiates sound judgment.

Also, countries making allies is not comparable to you having a drinking buddy. Alliances are formed through national self interests, not through sweet, charming talk.

The only one that he's had an in-depth relationship with is Wright. I think you can attribute that more to being a part of the community that he represented, or even raw political ambition (gasp!), than alignment of viewpoints. That said, spending time with someone like Rev. Wright gives Obama a far more nuanced viewpoint about the U.S. than McCain / Palin, who think every single thing the U.S. has ever done since July 4, 1776 has been exceptional and wonderful. Is Wright out of the mainstream? Yes. Does Obama understand his viewpoints? Yes. And contrary to what people think on this board, understanding other people who are different from you is critical to being an effective leader, whether engaging in diplomacy or fighting a war.

Second, Obama would not be like a drinking buddy. We already tried that with Bush II, who thought that Putin was soulmate.

 

[MG1968]

with all the weapons systems BHO is promising to cut as well as the inevitable reductions in overall defense spending that will occur in his first two years, how will he be able to "kill bin laden and crush AQ"?

Obama has also naively suggested that he will invade Pah-kee-stahn, a nuclear armed country.

 

[CaedmonVol]

and tell me how obama knows how our enemies think?

He has the capacity to do so, because he has always been somewhat of an outsider (e.g. bi-racial kid in Kansas, American kid in Indonesia, in fact he was not accepted as "truly black" by U.S. blacks until recently). Therefore he has had to figure out how to get along with people by understanding what motivates them. By the way, for all of our greatness as a nation, this is one thing that Americans are notoriously bad at -- understanding other people that are not like us. Most people from other countries have much more international experience than the average American. Hence, compared to Governor George W. Bush in 2000, and Palin now, he is WAY more prepared to understand the complexities of what motivates terrorist groups.

 

[MG1968]

The only one that he's had an in-depth relationship with is Wright. I think you can attribute that more to being a part of the community that he represented, or even raw political ambition (gasp!), than alignment of viewpoints. That said, spending time with someone like Rev. Wright gives Obama a far more nuanced viewpoint about the U.S. than McCain / Palin, who think every single thing the U.S. has ever done since July 4, 1776 has been exceptional and wonderful. Is Wright out of the mainstream? Yes. Does Obama understand his viewpoints? Yes. And contrary to what people think on this board, understanding other people who are different from you is critical to being an effective leader, whether engaging in diplomacy or fighting a war.

the inference being is that McCain/Palin are a couple of racists who think slavery was a good idea.

nice Whoopie Goldberg viewpoint.

 

[CaedmonVol]

with all the weapons systems BHO is promising to cut as well as the inevitable reductions in overall defense spending that will occur in his first two years, how will he be able to "kill bin laden and crush AQ"?

Obama has also naively suggested that he will invade Pah-kee-stahn, a nuclear armed country.

Dude, we (Bush II) bombed Pakistan yesterday.

Five killed in U.S. missile attack in Pakistan | Reuters

 

[therealUT]

He has the capacity to do so, because he has always been somewhat of an outsider (e.g. bi-racial kid in Kansas, American kid in Indonesia, in fact he was not accepted as "truly black" by U.S. blacks until recently). Therefore he has had to figure out how to get along with people by understanding what motivates them. By the way, for all of our greatness as a nation, this is one thing that Americans are notoriously bad at -- understanding other people that are not like us. Most people from other countries have much more international experience than the average American. Hence, compared to Governor George W. Bush in 2000, and Palin now, he is WAY more prepared to understand the complexities of what motivates terrorist groups.

BHO was never raised in Kansas. He was mainly raised in Hawaii. Not exactly the bastion of white America. He was raised with all sorts of multi-ethnic peers.

Your ignorance is astounding.

 

[MG1968]

Dude, we (Bush II) bombed Pakistan yesterday.

Five killed in U.S. missile attack in Pakistan | Reuters

in case you're militarily ignorant, bombing and invading are two completely different tactics.

 

[CaedmonVol]

the inference being is that McCain/Palin are a couple of racists who think slavery was a good idea.

nice Whoopie Goldberg viewpoint.

What?? Come on. It's two against one right now, at least you can play fair. I mention the date of the founding of our country as hyperbole, we all know that we're not talking about slavery.

 

[MG1968]

What?? Come on. It's like three against one right now, at least you can play fair. I mention the date of the founding of our country as hyperbole, we all know that we're not talking about slavery.

ok, then maybe you think McCain/Palin were cool with the internment of Japanese American citizens during WWII.

Perhaps, you're thinking of the Tuckaseegee Experiment. I'm sure McCain/Palin were all for withholding medicine from black men suffering from syphilis.

you make these baseless assumptions, hoping to score a political "point" then when you're called on them, you claim "hyperbole" or "trying to get a rise".

 

[CaedmonVol]

in case you're militarily ignorant, bombing and invading are two completely different tactics.

Obama threatened to invade Pakistan if the Pakistani government would not destroy Al Qaeda and the Taliban -- our mortal enemies.

Bush II invaded Iraq for some reason that no one really understands.

Obama's idea makes more sense.

 

[therealUT]

ok, then maybe you think McCain/Palin were cool with the internment of Japanese American citizens during WWII.

Perhaps, you're thinking of the Tuckaseegee Experiment. I'm sure McCain/Palin were all for withholding medicine from black men suffering from syphilis.

you make these baseless assumptions, hoping to score a political "point" then when you're called on them, you claim "hyperbole" or "trying to get a rise".

Meanwhile, he is ok with BHO being content to spend time with and defend the actions of Ayers and the statements made by Wright.

Apparently, McCain and Palin have no problem with what America has done wrong, simply because they are white. Yet, BHO, who associates himself with militants and those who supported taking violent, hostile acts against Americans, and he is absolutely justified in doing so...because he is black???

Your ignorance never fails to amaze me.

 

[MG1968]

Obama threatened to invade Pakistan if the Pakistani government would not destroy Al Qaeda and the Taliban -- our mortal enemies.

Bush II invaded Iraq for some reason that no one really understands.

Obama's idea makes more sense.

Ok, you're definitely militarily ignorant.

 

[therealUT]

Bush II invaded Iraq for some reason that no one really understands.

Apparently treaties and resolutions mean absolutely nothing to you. Good to know.

 

[MG1968]

Meanwhile, he is ok with BHO being content to spend time with and defend the actions of Ayers and the statements made by Wright.

Apparently, McCain and Palin have no problem with what America has done wrong, simply because they are white. Yet, BHO, who associates himself with militants and those who supported taking violent, hostile acts against Americans, and he is absolutely justified in doing so...because he is black???

Your ignorance never fails to amaze me.

referring to CaedmonVol, I hope...