Part of our offensive problems.........

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For the life of me I have never understood why we don't run the simplest of plays, plays that everyone runs, such as the pick-and-roll or a pick-and-pop.

Passing the ball around the perimeter for 25 seconds and then forcing a well contested shot should be the last resort, not the first option.

With the athletes that we have and the size that we have, one would think that we would be great in the pick-and-roll game, hell even Bobby Maze should be able to run it.
 
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zjcvols said:
Your right...Look at all those Suns and there NBA Finals appearances because they outscored the Spurs....oh....wait.....
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I didn't say we were winning championships, but to say our offense is garbage when we score more points than every team in our conference is just ignorant. There is some stuff that needs to be worked on, but personally I think it involves the defense and more complete guards.

If we change our offense we either continue to score more points than the rest of the SEC or score less points than other SEC teams, so what's the point? Since we are already scoring more than the other SEC teams why don't we work on something that isn't working...like point guard play.
 
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ALock4UT said:
I didn't say we were winning championships, but to say our offense is garbage when we score more points than every team in our conference is just ignorant. There is some stuff that needs to be worked on, but personally I think it involves the defense and more complete guards.

If we change our offense we either continue to score more points than the rest of the SEC or score less points than other SEC teams, so what's the point? Since we are already scoring more than the other SEC teams why don't we work on something that isn't working...like point guard play.
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Hank Gathers and Bo Kimble wholeheartedly endorse this view.
 
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ALock4UT said:
I didn't say we were winning championships, but to say our offense is garbage when we score more points than every team in our conference is just ignorant. There is some stuff that needs to be worked on, but personally I think it involves the defense and more complete guards.

If we change our offense we either continue to score more points than the rest of the SEC or score less points than other SEC teams, so what's the point? Since we are already scoring more than the other SEC teams why don't we work on something that isn't working...like point guard play.
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Why don't we work on our halfcourt offense, which has been a problem since day 1?
 
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Wow...lack of offensive execution in the halfcourt is a problem I wish we would fix. To say that substitution patters are ruining our offense is more than a little funny because Bruce has been doing something similar as he has led team after team to very high scoring.

We need to work on halfcourt offense. We do not need to stop putting in subs so guys can stay in rhythm.

The bizarre ways people try to bash here is amusing. Gumbylike contortions. Stick with lack of tourney success. When he wins in the tourney demand it every single year. When he has a year like Pitino, demand his ouster. Maybe then we can bring in a Lawrence Frank or another guy with a sub .500 coaching record to please the brightest minds in basketball.
 
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
Wow...lack of offensive execution in the halfcourt is a problem I wish we would fix. To say that substitution patters are ruining our offense is more than a little funny because Bruce has been doing something similar as he has led team after team to very high scoring.

We need to work on halfcourt offense. We do not need to stop putting in subs so guys can stay in rhythm.

The bizarre ways people try to bash here is amusing. Gumbylike contortions. Stick with lack of tourney success. When he wins in the tourney demand it every single year. When he has a year like Pitino, demand his ouster. Maybe then we can bring in a Lawrence Frank or another guy with a sub .500 coaching record to please the brightest minds in basketball.
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I'm sorry, but you are crazy if it does not affect the offense. You get out of rhythm, or worse, you never get into a rhythm when you are being taken out every five minutes, especially if somebody is doing well to start off the game. Now he gets cold and forces it. It's not the main concern, but it's an issue.
 
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Hat, I'm repesct your basketball expertiese, how much would the quick subs affect the offense?
 
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zjcvols said:
I'm sorry, but you are crazy if it does not affect the offense. You get out of rhythm, or worse, you never get into a rhythm when you are being taken out every five minutes, especially if somebody is doing well to start off the game. Now he gets cold and forces it. It's not the main concern, but it's an issue.
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I don't see it as an issue. It fits his mentality that we can wear people down and use fresh legs to kill them late. We have yet to see any support for that view, but that's the idea.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I don't see it as an issue. It fits his mentality that we can wear people down and use fresh legs to kill them late. We have yet to see any support for that view, but that's the idea.
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I understand that. Yet I don't understand doing it in three minutes. 5-7 minutes when they get a flow going, I get ya. You just don't get any kinda rhythm or feel for the game when you are yanked that quick.
 
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zjcvols said:
I understand that. Yet I don't understand doing it in three minutes. 5-7 minutes when they get a flow going, I get ya. You just don't get any kinda rhythm or feel for the game when you are yanked that quick.
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I just don't mind the fixed schedule rotations. Guys know it's coming and should be able to bust it / focus in short bursts. Sitting for short spells doesn't just destroy rhythm, otherwise pitchers and QBs would be one series / one inning wonders.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I just don't mind the fixed schedule rotations. Guys know it's coming and should be able to bust it / focus in short bursts. Sitting for short spells doesn't just destroy rhythm, otherwise pitchers and QBs would be one series / one inning wonders.
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That's a good point. But three minutes of basketball is barely breaking a sweat. I just can't figure out how you find consistency when you get yanked so quick.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I just don't mind the fixed schedule rotations. Guys know it's coming and should be able to bust it / focus in short bursts. Sitting for short spells doesn't just destroy rhythm, otherwise pitchers and QBs would be one series / one inning wonders.
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If you've got a player annihilating the guy guarding him, why in Hell would you pull him because some arbitrary time benchmark has been hit?
 
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hatvol96 said:
If you've got a player annihilating the guy guarding him, why in Hell would you pull him because some arbitrary time benchmark has been hit?
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And that's the main argument against, but I haven't really seen us pull a guy that's killing someone. In fact, rarely do we have anyone dominating, aside from Chism when the moon is full. Those nights, he logs big minutes.

I just dont buy it as a knock on our offense.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
And that's the main argument against, but I haven't really seen us pull a guy that's killing someone. In fact, rarely do we have anyone dominating, aside from Chism when the moon is full. Those nights, he logs big minutes.

I just dont buy it as a knock on our offense.
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It's hard to tell who is going to dominate in three minutes. That's the point. It takes 6-7 minutes to see what you are going to get, especially with a guy like Prince/Tatum/Chism. Now no matter what, a player should come with energy ready to play, but it's still hard to find yourself when you get pulled.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
And that's the main argument against, but I haven't really seen us pull a guy that's killing someone. In fact, rarely do we have anyone dominating, aside from Chism when the moon is full. Those nights, he logs big minutes.

I just dont buy it as a knock on our offense.
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If you intentionally remove your best players simply to "stay on schedule" with your rotation, that's idiocy. Can you see K saying "Kyle, Jon, Andre, and Nolan, you're coming out of the game at the first media timeout regardless of what happens." ?
 
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hatvol96 said:
If you intentionally remove your best players simply to "stay on schedule" with your rotation, that's idiocy. Can you see K saying "Kyle, Jon, Andre, and Nolan, you're coming out of the game at the first media timeout regardless of what happens." ?
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That's my point.

"Wayne I know you took Oglivey to school those last two trips down the court and he can't stop you...but I'm gonna take you out just to stay on schedule"

That's stupidity.
 
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
...The bizarre ways people try to bash here is amusing. Gumbylike contortions. Stick with lack of tourney success. When he wins in the tourney demand it every single year. When he has a year like Pitino, demand his ouster. .... .
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How would you know? Since he has never made it past the 1st of your benchmarks, everything after that is pure conjecture.
 
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So true. Since we can't press Effectively as team like we used to with JaJuan, Ramar, the substitutions could be reduced in most games. The good thing is we are
Almost a mirror image of some of the ACC/Big East teams.
 
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kngjabez said:
So true. Since we can't press Effectively as team like we used to with JaJuan, Ramar, the substitutions could be reduced in most games. The good thing is we are
Almost a mirror image of some of the ACC/Big East teams.
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Good point. It's not like we are pressing like we use to. If fresh legs is the reason, we really aren't pressing anyway, so what's the point.
 
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I'm of the camp that believes that it's a bad idea to sit a hot shooter. We have seen players (ala Hopson) start stroking the jumper, just to sit shortly thereafter. I know they need breaks, but "scheduling" them early in the game seems like a bad idea. Given our lack of ability to run good scoring set plays at the end of the half and game, I'd rather build a good lead and try to hang on, at this point, even if we had to back off the press late in the game.
 
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