Parys Harelson overrated?

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(milohimself @ Apr 22 said:
You're selling the defense short... Personally, I'd put 99% of our team's failure last year on the offense. The defense just lost it's will to play after a season of being on the field for 3/4 of the game.
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That's a distortion. Time of possession in the Alabama, South Carolina, and Vanderbilt games was essentially even. 32-28 in favor of Alabama and SC, 30-30 in the Vanderbilt game. The defense failed at the end of each of those games. If they don't let Alabama and SC drive the field at the end of those games, time of possession would have been dead even. In none of those three games did the opponent dominate time of possession.
 
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#27
Either way you put it, the defense was good (not great) and the offense sucked, and our problems on offense encompassed most everything we were doing wrong last season.

And I know from playing defense that it makes it that much harder to play when you're watching your offense rack up three and outs. It's disheartening.
 
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(milohimself @ Apr 23 said:
Either way you put it, the defense was good (not great) and the offense sucked, and our problems on offense encompassed most everything we were doing wrong last season.

And I know from playing defense that it makes it that much harder to play when you're watching your offense rack up three and outs. It's disheartening.
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No dispute that the offense was subpar. However, a lot of people acted as if no defense has ever had play with a less than prolific offense before. First, if the defense was as good as some of its members thought it was(this means you, Jesse) they would have made plays to change games. They caused precious few crucial turnovers. The year the Ravens won the Super Bowl, their offense went 4 games without a touchdown. The defense didn't quit. They toughed it out and made enough plays. The defense also had short memories. The offense spent most of '04 covering for the defense's pathetic play.
 
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(hatvol96 @ Apr 23 said:
They caused precious few crucial turnovers.
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I disagree, I thought they forced some big turnovers last season.
 
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(Orangewhiteblood @ Apr 23 said:
I disagree, I thought they forced some big turnovers last season.
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Turnovers caused in losses:
UF-0
UGA-2
UA-1
USC-3
ND-1
VU-0

That's seven in six games. None returned for touchdowns. The defense, taking a cue from alleged "leaders' like Mahaloena, talked a big game. In actuality, they were short on results. Alabama, South Carolina, and Vanderbilt all had long drives at the end of the game to beat UT.
 
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(milohimself @ Apr 23 said:
Either way you put it, the defense was good (not great) and the offense sucked, and our problems on offense encompassed most everything we were doing wrong last season.

And I know from playing defense that it makes it that much harder to play when you're watching your offense rack up three and outs. It's disheartening.
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of all of us on the board Ive wondered of those that played HS ball were they offense or defense, I was on defense too. And you are correct nothing kills your heart more than stopping their offense only to see yours go 3 and out over and over.
 
#32
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(hatvol96 @ Apr 23 said:
Turnovers caused in losses:
UF-0
UGA-2
UA-1
USC-3
ND-1
VU-0

That's seven in six games. None returned for touchdowns. The defense, taking a cue from alleged "leaders' like Mahaloena, talked a big game. In actuality, they were short on results. Alabama, South Carolina, and Vanderbilt all had long drives at the end of the game to beat UT.
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I see your point Hat.I never gave it much thought but I agree there were games last season where the defense may have rested on it's previous game laurels.That said, they played well enough to win all of them IMO.
 
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(utfantilidie @ Apr 23 said:
I see your point Hat.I never gave it much thought but I agree there were games last season where the defense may have rested on it's previous game laurels.That said, they played well enough to win all of them IMO.
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Not sure the effort at Notre Dame was anything to write home about. The inability to stop a mediocre offense like South Carolina at the end of the game isn't exactly a resume builder either. The defense was adequate in most games, but it wasn't anything special. Did the putrid offense hurt the defense? Of course. Were there a number of games where the defense had the game in their hands and failed? Absolutely. The 5-6 record was a team effort.
 
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(hatvol96 @ Apr 23 said:
Turnovers caused in losses:
UF-0
UGA-2
UA-1
USC-3
ND-1
VU-0

That's seven in six games. None returned for touchdowns. The defense, taking a cue from alleged "leaders' like Mahaloena, talked a big game. In actuality, they were short on results. Alabama, South Carolina, and Vanderbilt all had long drives at the end of the game to beat UT.
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You didn't say in losses before. Be more specific please.
 
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(utfantilidie @ Apr 23 said:
I agree there were games last season where the defense may have rested on it's previous game laurels.
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Rest? That defense was on the field most of every game.
 
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(Orangewhiteblood @ Apr 23 said:
Rest? That defense was on the field most of every game.
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Not exactly accurate. Time of possessions in UT losses:

35-25 UF. That's bad. However, there were several third and longs where the defense could have gotten themselves off the field by making a play.
32-28 UGA. In a televised game, with all the TV timeouts, that's not enough of a difference to claim fatigue. I'm sure guys who were out of shape, i.e. Mahaleona, were tired.
32-28 UA. If they don't allow the long pass on third down, they're off the field and time of possession ends up even.
32-28 USC. Same issue as above. Make some plays on third down against a mediocre offense and you get off the field.
32-28 ND. NBC has enough timeouts built into a Notre dame telecast that this discrepacy shouldn't make that large a difference.
30-30 VU. The defense has only themselves to blame for this one.
 
#37
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Just imagine how good our defense would have been if our offense could have put together some drives..
 
#38
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(Orangewhiteblood @ Apr 23 said:
Just imagine how good our defense would have been if our offense could have put together some drives..
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I don't in anyway disagree with that. I just think the defense's "woe is us" act doesn't exactly hold up to scrutiny.
 
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(hatvol96 @ Apr 23 said:
I don't in anyway disagree with that. I just think the defense's "woe is us" act doesn't exactly hold up to scrutiny.
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Well for one, I don't think the defense ever complained about it...

Another thing you have to consider is all of the bad field position that we had last year. The special teams would screw the offense and then the offense would screw the defense by not moving the ball much.

Plus, when the secondary has to chase receivers all over the field the whole game, they're probably going to give some stuff up towards the end of the game.

It was just a poor team effort all around, but the offense was by for the worst squad..

Having said all of that, I think that Parys will make a good defensive player for someone.
 
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I think there were games last year where the defense basically gave up on the offense and didn't put in a 100% effort.At least tha'ts how it seemed to me.
 
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(volinasheville @ Apr 23 said:
Parys in particular has had a problem with stupid penalties that don't exactly get the D off the field.
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This is true. I think that he had 4 roughing the passers called on him last season. They all seemed like they were at semi-important times.

He just plays with a lot of fire..
 
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(Orangewhiteblood @ Apr 23 said:
Well for one, I don't think the defense ever complained about it...

Another thing you have to consider is all of the bad field position that we had last year. The special teams would screw the offense and then the offense would screw the defense by not moving the ball much.

Plus, when the secondary has to chase receivers all over the field the whole game, they're probably going to give some stuff up towards the end of the game.

It was just a poor team effort all around, but the offense was by for the worst squad..

Having said all of that, I think that Parys will make a good defensive player for someone.
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Ask the Sunday night staff at Nama if Mahaleona, Harrell, and Hall "never complained."
 
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(hatvol96 @ Apr 23 said:
Ask the Sunday night staff at Nama if Mahaleona, Harrell, and Hall "never complained."
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Well, I don't blame them..
 
#45
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show me a d lineman who's not getting any penalties that is worth a crap. Im sure some of those penalties were quick draw officials, a d lineman has to be aggressive to be effective.
 
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(Orangewhiteblood @ Apr 23 said:
That's what they say, I still don't blame them.
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For the Alabama, South Carolina, and Vandy games, they might want to look in the mirror.
 
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(hatvol96 @ Apr 23 said:
For the Alabama, South Carolina, and Vandy games, they might want to look in the mirror.
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Why? They held Bama to 6 points and SC to 16. Our offense should have been able to cover that..
 
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(Orangewhiteblood @ Apr 23 said:
Why? They held Bama to 6 points and SC to 16. Our offense should have been able to cover that..
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Alabama scored one field goal set up by a stupid defensive penalty. The other was the result of the defense allowing a 30+ yard pass on third and long with Alabama backed up deep in their own territory. They had the lead at the end of the game against South Carolina. Stop them once, you win. Instead, they let them score twice in the fourth quarter. If that defense was as good as they fancied themselves, stopping an offense with the limited talent SC had should have been no problem.
 
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