Pat Summitt vs Geno Auriemma

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Summitt still wins a lot of games--but her program/our program has slipped noticeably since the great '98 squad. Summitt is lucky to have landed Parker--who with her enormous talent sort of single-handedly broke what was 10-year title drought for the Vols. Pat still signs top high-school talent--but I lot of her signees are busts (poor talent evaluation)--and PS and her staff simply do not know how to coach good team offense--which happens to be a geno strength (although you wouldn't know it from last night). The 98 team was dynamic--ran the floor, had chemistry, had three or more top players who could score. The Vols haven't a team close to that good since. Next year's team could be good if the freshmen guards (big need) coming in are decent. It all wouldn't be such a big deal except that Uconn and UT are HUGE rivals, and geno has had quite a bit more success than PS since 98.
 
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From what I understand, Geno's assistant is the real X's and O's coach of that team. Geno is just a motivator. Not that it matters much, with the talent they have.

If he keeps coaching tho (and he keeps that assistant), he will end up with more NC's than Summitt. Maybe not more wins, cause he might get burned out before then. But he will have more national champioships.
 
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If they do meet again for a Nat. Champ. lets hope Coach Summitt and the Lady Vols put them another game behind in the race. I hope she coaches for as long as she can. Same for Coach Pearl at TN. Lets hope we can say the same thing about Coach DD in a couple of years. GO VOLS!:rock:
 
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Screw Geno, he's a man coaching a women's sport. That alone makes him irrelevant.
 
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volsof09 said:
I know that these two are not the biggest fans of each other and never will be but I just wanted to know what are the reasons that Pat hates Geno. I really never understood the Rivalry until that OTL Documentary.

Its it just because of the Maya Moore controversy.
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No. They disliked each other long before that.

One problem is that Geno is the Lane Kiffin of women's basketball, only he has the wins to back up his mouth. And when Geno started winning at UConn, in the early '90s, he made no secret that Tennessee--and Pat Summitt--was his target. Pat became Urban Meyer to Geno's Kiffin, and she didn't like it one bit.

He was just a mild annoyance until that day in 1995 when Pat took her undefeated team to Storrs and lost, putting UConn on the map. Then UConn won the championship game a month and a half later, and the rivalry was on.

The reason it matters so much is obvious. I don't think there's another coach in women's basketball who, given equal talent, could coach with Pat on an even basis. Geno is the only coach who can beat Pat Summitt, all things being equal, and Pat's team playing well. Now, the opposite is true, too. Pat is the only coach who can beat Geno in those circumstances, as she has many times.

Then there's recruiting. I think Geno does push the limits of what is acceptable. I don't actually think he breaks the letter of the law, because he doesn't have to. A lot of kids like his personality, the same way they do with Kiffin. Pat's personality is more like a female Bob Huggins. She has your back, but she'll ride the heck out of you and is demanding. Some kids don't want to play for a coach like that. So...if it's one or the other, Geno's going to get a few more players.

And last but not least, they are both ultra-competitive. I truly believe both of them regard a season as a failure if they don't win the championship. In '97, Pat upset Geno in the regional final when UConn was 31-0. Geno looked like he'd just finished 1-31, not 31-1.

Dean Smith and Coach K hated each other until Dean retired. Now, no longer competing against one another, they get along fine. I suspect that when Pat and Geno retire, they will mend fences. But right now, they couldn't do that and be true to who they each are.
 
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Volwark said:
From what I understand, Geno's assistant is the real X's and O's coach of that team. Geno is just a motivator. Not that it matters much, with the talent they have.

If he keeps coaching tho (and he keeps that assistant), he will end up with more NC's than Summitt. Maybe not more wins, cause he might get burned out before then. But he will have more national champioships.
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I believe when its all said and done not only will Geno finish with more NC's than Pat, he'll finish with more NC's than Wooden. The difference between us and UConn is you never see them go through title droughts as long as we do and they've never fallen as far as we have at times. No 10-loss seasons and early round exits like us the last two years.
 
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The_Orange_Pearl said:
That's not wrong. I feel the same way. Women can't get a job coaching men so it's kind of embarrassing when men coach women. Geno Auriemma... can't get a men's coaching job because he isn't one. Could be a slogan.

Seriously though, as a man... I don't think I'd want the label "women's champion".
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This ^^^^^

Jim Calhoun, Coach K, Roy Williams and Tom Izzo are all sitting around a cafeteria table, discussing game plans.
Here comes Geno with his food tray. What are they thinking?
:no1::no1::no1::no1:
 
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rsm said:
pat needs to rehire demoss..when she moved on the talent level started dropping...less talent equals more wins for uconn
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Glad to see that someone else noticed the decline in talent when M. DeMoss departed. She was also a great bench coach. Did she & Pat have a falling out?
 
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volsof09 said:
I know that these two are not the biggest fans of each other and never will be but I just wanted to know what are the reasons that Pat hates Geno. I really never understood the Rivalry until that OTL Documentary.

Its it just because of the Maya Moore controversy.
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Yes. When she was being recruited, she let it be known she had always wanted to tour ESPN, ever since she was small, and UCON arranged it for her. It was a minor recruiting violation but big deal, she got what she wanted and UCON got what they wanted (HER). Pat was just pissed Moore signed with them instead of her.
 
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ITSGR82BATNVOL said:
Yes. When she was being recruited, she let it be known she had always wanted to tour ESPN, ever since she was small, and UCON arranged it for her. It was a minor recruiting violation but big deal, she got what she wanted and UCON got what they wanted (HER). Pat was just pissed Moore signed with them instead of her.
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be careful, to most lady vol fans that espn trip carries the same weight as dropping off a ferrari in moore's driveway.
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kngjabez said:
Geno runs a better program. Pat put womens basketball on the map. Geno is taking it to the next level. Geno is playing to win. As far a coaching ability, it is even. Go ahead and place a statue of Geno down on Hall of Fame drive!
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Don't forget Geno is 4-0 against Pat in National Championship games... that says a lot about their ability as coaches.
 
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Geno and Pat ever burying the hatchet? I would think only if Pat buries it in Geno's curly locks. Pat just doesn't understand Geno. He comes from Philly where his wise ass remarks are considered the normal thing you do with your friends. Pat never understood that.
 
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when you coach for too long, IMO. She's been coaching UT for 35 years--can you say burnout? I'm sure she'll be our Paterno, meaning coach far longer than she should, especially with geno dogging her records.

It amazes me that Pa.state has given Paterno a lifetime coaching coupon, especially given the program has been mediocre for most of the last 20 years. Over time, the returns diminish, and no coach should be bigger than the school or the program. Actually, the better analogy for PS might be Bob Knight--another tough-minded, old-school coach who, fyi, is retired. PS still recruits well--at least based on the star system--but a lot of her players do not pan out and her coaching style and coaching system has accumulated more than a little dust.
 
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feathersax said:
Glad to see that someone else noticed the decline in talent when M. DeMoss departed. She was also a great bench coach. Did she & Pat have a falling out?
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Wow, I have thought the same thing. Does it seem strange few of her player come back and join her staff.
 
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LKiffen_VolByeBye said:
Don't forget Geno is 4-0 against Pat in National Championship games... that says a lot about their ability as coaches.
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He should have been 4-0. He had the better team in every one of those games. In three of the five seasons in which Pat has won a national championship since Geno's first one, Geno hasn't made it there to face her, and therefore Pat has had no chance to even the score. In the other two, Pat defeated Geno with an inferior team in a round of the tournament before the final. In one of them, she got a 26-10 team to beat a 31-0 UConn team. Their head-to-head tournament record is 4-2 in Geno's favor--but Geno had the better team all six times.

Two of those teams that Pat lost the championship game to UConn with were teams that had no right to have even gotten that far in the first place. The fact that Pat has gotten teams to overachieve, and twice beat its biggest rival in a tournament game with a weaker team, while Geno never has done this, and only reaches the championship when he has the best team, is hardly a point in his favor.
 
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volsof09 said:
I know that these two are not the biggest fans of each other and never will be but I just wanted to know what are the reasons that Pat hates Geno. I really never understood the Rivalry until that OTL Documentary.

Its it just because of the Maya Moore controversy.
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The Maya Moore in ESPN is a smokescreen. Moore's parents are very religious and evidence was given of the # of alternative lifestyles that Pat has on staff and recruits. Gyno Areanenema doesn't hire or recruit them.
It may be pretty sleezy but he has a point.
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CLearly most people in this thread know nothing about the womens games..
Geno has won 5 of his championships with probably the 2 best womens players to come along in the last 10 years, tiarasi and moore.... put those 2 on about any team and they win 30 games.
Geno has not had to coach many games in the last 10 years. he gets the best of the best and wins with them.
period
 
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HATINGBAMAISAWAYOFLIFE said:
CLearly most people in this thread know nothing about the womens games..
Geno has won 5 of his championships with probably the 2 best womens players to come along in the last 10 years, tiarasi and moore.... put those 2 on about any team and they win 30 games.
Geno has not had to coach many games in the last 10 years. he gets the best of the best and wins with them.
period[/QUOTE]

This differs from Summit how? Summit won when she had overwhelming talent just as Geno is now.
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bamacheats said:
The Maya Moore in ESPN is a smokescreen. Moore's parents are very religious and evidence was given of the # of alternative lifestyles that Pat has on staff and recruits. Gyno Areanenema doesn't hire or recruit them.
It may be pretty sleezy but he has a point.
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Could you put some kind of link up regarding this information? I'd like to read it. Thanks.
 
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bamacheats said:
The Maya Moore in ESPN is a smokescreen. Moore's parents are very religious and evidence was given of the # of alternative lifestyles that Pat has on staff and recruits. Gyno Areanenema doesn't hire or recruit them.
It may be pretty sleezy but he has a point.
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That's B.S. Geno has had his share of girls into the alternative lifestyle. I haven't thought about his staff but it wouldn't surprise me if some were of that persuasion. Every team out there has had their share. It's pretty common in womens basketball. That's not the reason Maya went to UCONN.
 
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The more I think about it, the more I think if you gave teams of equal talent to Pat and Geno, Geno's team would win by 10+.
 
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