Pathetic Loss ...

#26
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In the second o.t. Russell just stood there while Robinson went for the ball. There was simply no excuse for that.

When you listen to Holly talk the one quality she seems to lack is the power to motivate. She has said that see cannot coach effort and that was very apparent in this Georgia loss. It also appeared that she did not demand it as well.

Thank you TD.... yes that pedestrian stand around while Robinson ran in unattended for the rebound and layup was shameful....

And your other passage .... right on target as well.... this is Holly's biggest problem perhaps.... the fact that she doesn't demand anything of her players.... Know that will generate shock and nasty responses.... but i am tired of hearing her saying how brutally tough her practices are .... how practice is great and then players just didn't "bring it" in the games.... it is all on her.... there is no question....

But why do i get upset... if it does not bother the administration, and she was even worthy of an extension less than 2 yrs ago i think.... then it must be fine with me.... i just need to lower the bar of expectation.... the "Elite" 8 will be like our championship each year.....

we are giving a 3 star performance most nights with 5 star players.... and it is fine with many people....
 
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Give this team to Vic Schaefer and we are top 4.

Yes yes yes totally! He coaches his players, doesn't coddle them.

I have only seen a half dozen Ms St games this year, but it seems his players do not take nights off.

Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard.
 
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This team is such an enigma..wrapped up with players who are wildly inconsistent and deep fried in horrible coaching..yuck!!
 
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If Tennessee had a pair of semi competent guards on offense that aren't scared sh!tless to shoot the ball, then they would have won going away...even with Diamond's turnovers.

Diamond with the ball in her hand is the only way Tennessee has a chance...turnovers and all. Otherwise, it would be an even more stagnant offense.

Sadly I agree that only way TN can win is with ball in DDs hands. And unfortunately, this is because Holly cannot coach.

Your other passage ... why are our guards afraid to shoot... is this the responsibility of the coach to teach them to play better ball? Saw a TV special that had Moriah Jeff. of UConn... as freshman she was too fast out of control... and would not shoot.... then coaches worked with her over the summer and soph year she started shooting.... in fact they demanded that she shoot if the shot was open.... but not with our guards, the best bet is no not shoot at all... but get the ball to Diamond who has no fear of shooting... it was the same with Meighan simmons.... give the ball to her and she will shoot because nobody else will take the shot....

it is just lousy coaching and that is my opinion.... many i know disagree with me. and it is ok
 
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After the Lady Vols last game, a victory, I congratulated the players and made the statement HW needs to be fired. All the fans were all for HW. Bottom line, HW has proven over several years she cannot coach these players up to their potential. I say again, whether the Lady Vols win or not, HW NEEDS TO GO!

I so agree. I cant remember a time this season that she has called a timeout and a called play has worked. Just before halftime a lose it or use it timeout was called and we dribbled the ball until there was no time to get a decent shot, what a joke. The end of the game she used two timeouts, and there was no screen to get anyone open for a shot, just the out of bounds pass that gave Georgia a chance to win the game. Except for the lady from Stanford she is the unprofessional coach in the women's game. If only she could coach like she can whistle, we would be in good shape.
 
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#34
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Holly isn't the answer. There is NO reason LADY VOLS shouldn't have one of the very best coaches out there.
 
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What have they posted about her in this thread? That she scored 34 pts but turned it over 10 times. What do you need to know about basketball to know that's a ridiculous number of TOs? The scoring is great-we need it from her to win and wouldn't have won without her. But we didn't win with her either. How about we agree we need her to win-but we need her to cut down on these TOs.

Both numbers are indicative of a player who feels she has to do it all. And in this game that was true. No one else on the perimeter could get a shot off. I think Reynolds got her first points late in the 4th quarter IIRC. Nared couldn't get a shot up and was shutdown by GA's defense.

The problem is that we don't run an offense that creates shots so our players have to do so. And in certain games Diamond is the only one who can do that consistently so she has to take the lion's share of the shots. And sometimes she gets caught out and has to pass the ball. Other times though her teammates aren't looking for the ball when they should or fumble the pass.

All of this could be cleaned up. The fact that it hasn't been is something we have talked about since Holly has been coach. Players come, and players go --- but the results are the same. Lots of turnovers and an inefficient offense are our hallmarks as a program.
 
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Both numbers are indicative of a player who feels she has to do it all. And in this game that was true. No one else on the perimeter could get a shot off. I think Reynolds got her first points late in the 4th quarter IIRC. Nared couldn't get a shot up and was shutdown by GA's defense.

The problem is that we don't run an offense that creates shots so our players have to do so. And in certain games Diamond is the only one who can do that consistently so she has to take the lion's share of the shots. And sometimes she gets caught out and has to pass the ball. Other times though her teammates aren't looking for the ball when they should or fumble the pass.

All of this could be cleaned up. The fact that it hasn't been is something we have talked about since Holly has been coach. Players come, and players go --- but the results are the same. Lots of turnovers and an inefficient offense are our hallmarks as a program.

Which is why having the top rated recruiting class will not make the team significantly better if CHW remains the HC. She's not good at what she does.
 
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Okay, what happens now after losing to Lady Bulldogs in 2 OT's? Does the University keep Holly after this season? How far will Lady Vols go the remainder of the season?
 
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CHW is a terrible end of the game coach. 6-point lead with under a minute and lose. She knows how to kill momentum with the best of them. This is not a very good UGA team. At some point, the loyalty to Pat has to end and they have got to get a real coach.

*WOW*

Listen, Pat Summit was simply the greatest of all time. Not only as a WCBB coach, but as a leader and motivator. She was a gift that can never be replaced. A legend period.

That being said, UT made a huge mistake when she resigned. We did NOTHING to search for a worthy replacement, other than have our HC appoint a successor.

I said it from the begging and have been roasted for questioning this "holy grail" from day 1. I hoped to be wrong and hoped to see us stay elite in WBB. It ain't happening. It's becoming evident to the majority finally it seems.

Here's where we failed. It may not feel good. But we need to admit it. UT brass failed to do their job when replacing the Legend. They were like lambs in the presence of the Lion. The obvious Q was "Who are we in the presence of the lady who basically put the entire sport on the map"?

Sounds legit. But it's NOT and never was legit. It was out of order. Leadership leads. Otherwise it's not true leadership. CPS was not God. She was a head coach. Head coaches are not Athletic Directors. They are subordinates to the AD.

Everyone has a boss in this game. And for good reason. The HC needs to coach. And she was THE greatest. The admins and AD's job is the create an environment where the coach can be their best. But when said coach becomes the best, that does not of necessity mean that the HC leapfrogs her bosses and is now in charge. This is out of order. Getting out of order is how ANY great organization loses elite status.

The thunderous roar from the fanbase and administration was "She's earned the right to pick her successor". To question that emotionally laced concept was simply anathema within 300 miles of Knoxville. Anyone, myself included, who was so foolish as to even ask the tiniest question about the hiring process was ... obliterated on the spot, then nuked to just make sure. Regardless of popular opinion, the HC replacement process was out of order.

There was no leadership who dared stand up to the Lion. There was no leadership that demanded "everyone relax, were not making an emotional decision. We are going to do a national search and find the absolute best coach in the nation, and we will leave no stone unturned". Let's face it, had the AD created the slightest offense with the Legend, they would have been run out of town on a rail.

So, we settled for the emotionally warm and fuzzy choice. The choice that felt good to the family. Mainly because the family was hurting so much for the plight of the Legend. Nevertheless, we got it way wrong. At least for the future of the #1 program in the nation. The decision was fundamentally out of order and the chickens have come home to roost.

I have no idea if true leadership is in the house at this point or not. But I know this. The sooner true leadership steps up boldly and rights this ship, the better chance we'll have of returning to our elite place in WCBB. That's the place our Legend carried us to.
 
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Problem wasn't in hiring Holly but in keeping and supporting the job she has done as Acting or Actual HC for almost 6 years.... amazing many are overjoyed with her
 
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CHW is a terrible end of the game coach. 6-point lead with under a minute and lose. She knows how to kill momentum with the best of them. This is not a very good UGA team. At some point, the loyalty to Pat has to end and they have got to get a real coach.

This is not a very good Tenn team either
 
#42
#42
The Lady Vols, the UT Men basketball, and the Atlanta Falcons lost the exact same way, when it seemed impossible to lose. Makes me wonder why does God care who wins or lose a game?
 
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#43
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Yeah, and then we have to sit and listen to Holly in the presser.... she said the team was outworked..... they showed a lack of effort..... they went through the motions.... she actually said these things.... but will you ever see her take any of these players out and sit them on the bench.... If i am coaching and my players showed what Holly said they showed .... i would sit them on the bench.... put the walk ons in if necessary.....

Another thing that I disagree with Holly on.... is she said in the presser that Nared has shown good things lately, so she wasn't going to get on her. Diamond did have 10 turnovers but she had 34 points so she wasn't going to get on her....

Great job Holly@!!! Way to totally accept mediocrity... Take whatever it is that your players feel like giving you.... All this is not hidden.... it is plainly stated in the press conference after the game.... Don't think Geno or Muffet would accept this sort of mediocre effort by their players..... but with Holly it is fine.... I have to go back and see how many points were scored off of DDs 10 TOs....

Others can gladly accept whatever it is the team wants to put forth for you as effort.... I would rather root for a team that brings the effort every night, and a coach who demands that they show more effort than "just going through the motions" as she said they did today.
Bill, You mean something like this...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqTgeizyXus Holly does not have the chutz·pah to do this!
 
#46
#46
The game was lost at post. Defenders all over Russell.
Poor guard offense also.
Nunn should have been in with Russell at least 10 minutes
per half.
 
#47
#47
Yes, these threads are so helpful. LOL

I find it just as informative as "fire Holly", "can't coach", when clearly she can't be on the floor playing...yeah, she's the coach, so I guess that makes it ok to say "off with her head"...:)

GO HOLLY AND GO LADY VOLS!
 
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Yeah, and then we have to sit and listen to Holly in the presser.... she said the team was outworked..... they showed a lack of effort..... they went through the motions.... she actually said these things.... but will you ever see her take any of these players out and sit them on the bench.... If i am coaching and my players showed what Holly said they showed .... i would sit them on the bench.... put the walk ons in if necessary.....

Another thing that I disagree with Holly on.... is she said in the presser that Nared has shown good things lately, so she wasn't going to get on her. Diamond did have 10 turnovers but she had 34 points so she wasn't going to get on her....

Great job Holly@!!! Way to totally accept mediocrity... Take whatever it is that your players feel like giving you.... All this is not hidden.... it is plainly stated in the press conference after the game.... Don't think Geno or Muffet would accept this sort of mediocre effort by their players..... but with Holly it is fine.... I have to go back and see how many points were scored off of DDs 10 TOs....

Others can gladly accept whatever it is the team wants to put forth for you as effort.... I would rather root for a team that brings the effort every night, and a coach who demands that they show more effort than "just going through the motions" as she said they did today.
Maybe she gets on them in private. You all complain about her throwing them under the bus if she says anything publicly. Can't have it both ways. Not expressing vote of confidence for Holly just pointing out what I've read o some of theses posts.
 
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I so agree. I cant remember a time this season that she has called a timeout and a called play has worked. Just before halftime a lose it or use it timeout was called and we dribbled the ball until there was no time to get a decent shot, what a joke. The end of the game she used two timeouts, and there was no screen to get anyone open for a shot, just the out of bounds pass that gave Georgia a chance to win the game. Except for the lady from Stanford she is the unprofessional coach in the women's game. If only she could coach like she can whistle, we would be in good shape.
Look back at some games, especially sc game. You haven't bee watching!!
 
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Both numbers are indicative of a player who feels she has to do it all. And in this game that was true. No one else on the perimeter could get a shot off. I think Reynolds got her first points late in the 4th quarter IIRC. Nared couldn't get a shot up and was shutdown by GA's defense.

The problem is that we don't run an offense that creates shots so our players have to do so. And in certain games Diamond is the only one who can do that consistently so she has to take the lion's share of the shots. And sometimes she gets caught out and has to pass the ball. Other times though her teammates aren't looking for the ball when they should or fumble the pass.

All of this could be cleaned up. The fact that it hasn't been is something we have talked about since Holly has been coach. Players come, and players go --- but the results are the same. Lots of turnovers and an inefficient offense are our hallmarks as a program.
Would anyone consider that this was their 3rd game and just possibly they had tired legs because of the short bench?
 
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