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#154
#154
What's magic about 30? I know of many people younger than 30 that are way more informed than people over 30. Also wouldn't this fall back under what the revolution was about? Taxation without representation? Unless if those that aren't able to vote don't have to pay taxes.
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#155
#155
rmsmith said:
What's magic about 30? I know of many people younger than 30 that are way more informed than people over 30. Also wouldn't this fall back under what the revolution was about? Taxation without representation? Unless if those that aren't able to vote don't have to pay taxes.
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Yeah, I disagree with the 30 thing. I also don't know what's magical about 18. You can't drink (and why is 21 magical?). Hell, with health care reform you are on your parents carrier until 26, maybe 26 is an adult now?
 
#156
#156
nbakerld said:
It's a hypothetical topic and in this the hypothetical they properly amend the constitution.

So why then is it a bad idea?
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But they amended it to appeal to the masses. if there had never of been a draft, this amendment never happens.

I place the age at 30 because this changes the entitlement voter drastically. If you cannot vote until you are 30 (unless you are one of the above I've previously mentioned) then you will have to get a job because the politicians will no longer be pandering and there will not be welfare for the masses. This changes the voters mindset. This also changes the structure of this country. It places the attention on taking care of the workers and ones trying to better themselves and takes it off the lazy and entitlement crowd.

the time frame between 18 to 30 will toughen alot of Americans up because they will no longer have a vote and will have to either become something (home owner etc) or wait until 30 to be allowed to vote.

I would dare say that if someone can never go on welfare then the welfare mindset never sets in.
 
#160
#160
If anything, I would be for an enhanced modernized aristocracy where only the working class can vote. It would not be a true aristocracy as I see no difference between the guy making 25K and the guy making 250K if both are working 40 hours.
 
#161
#161
NEOCON said:
If anything, I would be for an enhanced modernized aristocracy where only the working class can vote. It would not be a true aristocracy as I see no difference between the guy making 25K and the guy making 250K if both are working 40 hours.
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What about those that don't work but have multi million dollar trust funds?
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#164
#164
To expand on that, there is no difference between a lazy poor person and a lazy rich trust fund baby except thew trust fund babies parents had money. Both are still trash.
 
#165
#165
This isn't about empowering the rich. It's about empowering the workers who want a good life and get up everyday to make sure their families are fed.

It is why I give a laid off person 1 year to find a new job and still allowed to vote in that 1 year period. That person was working. They lost their job to no fault of their own. They are part of the working class.

This isn't about making the rich richer. It's about making sure the working class is rewarded for working.
 
#166
#166
JayVols said:
What about those that don't work but have multi million dollar trust funds?
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NEOCON said:
No vote.
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NEOCON said:
To expand on that, there is no difference between a lazy poor person and a lazy rich trust fund baby except thew trust fund babies parents had money. Both are still trash.
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So your kids, who you would use family money to "exempt" by exporting, from serving the nation on the line, are likewise trash, correct?
 
#167
#167
JTrainDavis said:
So your kids, who you would use family money to "exempt" by exporting, from serving the nation on the line, are likewise trash, correct?
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I don't believe anyone who dodged the draft during Vietnam is trash. I dont believe in the draft period. We fight wars over money anymore. An American should never die over anything other than keeping America free.

Now, if I die and leave my kids a bunch of money and they don't work and just sponge off my income ... yes they are trash. They will work though. At 16, they will be a gopher in my main office where I personally work and they will learn the meaning of a dollar.
 
#168
#168
I'm on the fence as far as conscription goes, personally I know 2 people who were drafted, and both became career soldiers and retired as E-9's. Considering the company I generally keep, I'm sure that they are rare exceptions, but when the time comes , those who are available and not exempted should be willing.

Also, I have much more severe qualms about the current operations than those we conducted in southeast asia 40 years ago.
 
#169
#169
JTrainDavis said:
I'm on the fence as far as conscription goes, personally I know 2 people who were drafted, and both became career soldiers and retired as E-9's. Considering the company I generally keep, I'm sure that they are rare exceptions, but when the time comes , those who are available and not exempted should be willing.

Also, I have much more severe qualms about the current operations than those we conducted in southeast asia 40 years ago.
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I was born in Parkersburg WV. My father's brother was drafted and didn't come back the same. My dad once showed me his yearbook and started pointing at all the kids who were drafted and got killed. The draft wiped out over half of his high school class. My dad was lucky and when he got drafted he was sent to Alaska.

They don't draft rich kids. They draft the poor. All of those poor kids died for nothing. I am not for the draft.
 
#170
#170
I've said this before. You look in a mothers eyes and tell her her son was killed in duty you better have a damn good reason he was in harms way.
 
#171
#171
Well, rich kids have outs, like connected friends getting them into the Reserves (a big deal at the time) like our junior senator, who managed to claim combat service to those who listened, but that's another story.

By your rankings, none of us in my family have been wealthy enough to vote, but we've all served, so we get back doored in haha.
 
#172
#172
JTrainDavis said:
Well, rich kids have outs, like connected friends getting them into the Reserves (a big deal at the time) like our junior senator, who managed to claim combat service to those who listened, but that's another story.

By your rankings, none of us in my family have been wealthy enough to vote, but we've all served, so we get back doored in haha.
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Wealth has nothing to do with who i think should be allowed to vote.

I believe you said you were in construction and got laid off. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry. You worked in the last year though and are currently searching. You would qualify. You are a working man.

I would guess the rest of your family works. They would vote to.

I don't want a small sect of voters making 100K and above. I want a large cross stream of voters who are working with life experience. It is why I place it at 30 unless you have gained life experiece through owning a business, owning home, or being in the military.

I have no problem whatsoever with the 30 year old single mom who is working full time at Walmart being allowed to vote. She should be allowed to vote. She wakes up every day and pulls her shift. She deserves the right to vote just as much as Bill Gates does.
 
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