Peace-loving and religiously tolerant Muslims in Egypt

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Rasputin_Vol

Rasputin_Vol

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Coptics protesting bombing clash with Egypt police - Yahoo! News

Angry Coptic Christians clashed with police on Sunday as they demanded more protection for Egypt's Christians following a New Year's Day church bombing that killed 21 of their brethren.

Hundreds of members of Egypt's large Christian minority protested in Cairo and Alexandria, the northern city where the presumed suicide bomber detonated a device outside a church during a midnight service.
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These things don't bode well if they want to be viewed as a peaceful religion... however, it's not the majority of Muslims that are doing the bombings, it's the extremist 1%. Kinda like the Christians that bombed abortion clinics.
 
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Ed12111 said:
As opposed to the peace loving Christians violently protesting with the police?
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I guess there's no distinction in your eyes between being attacked for your beliefs by Muslims and fighting for your survival...

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Rasputin_Vol said:
They're a 10% minority in Egypt and are restricted from building churches and are not protected citizens.

What is so hard to understand?
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1. "Are not protected citizens". This means nothing you just made it up.
2. 10% Minority Are you arguing that being a minority means you are fighting for survival
3. Restricted from building churches. Sort of. Christians are often forced to go through more bureaucratic red tape to build a church than they would to build say a mosque, but it's not like they're forbidden. In fact, one could see a parallel in our own country.
The facts are a bit more nuanced than your dirty violent moslems rhetoric, so that's why it's "hard to understand".
 
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lawgator1 said:
A handful of Muslim terrorists killed 21 Christians. Therefore, all Muslims want to kill all Christians.

Hard to argue with that.
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over the last 10 years how many muslims have killed how many christians? are you just saying this is an isolated incident?
 
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Vol Mania 21 said:
over the last 10 years how many muslims have killed how many christians? are you just saying this is an isolated incident?
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I am saying it is extraordinarily rare considering the numbers of people we are talking about. And you also have to consider the number of Muslims killed by Christians, the number of Muslims killed by Jews, the number of Jews killed by Muslims, etc.

And let's not forget the French.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I am saying it is extraordinarily rare considering the numbers of people we are talking about. And you also have to consider the number of Muslims killed by Christians, the number of Muslims killed by Jews, the number of Jews killed by Muslims, etc.

And let's not forget the French.
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it's extraordinarily rare that priests molest young boys, but i'd hardly argue it's not a problem.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I am saying it is extraordinarily rare considering the numbers of people we are talking about. And you also have to consider the number of Muslims killed by Christians, the number of Muslims killed by Jews, the number of Jews killed by Muslims, etc.

And let's not forget the French.
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not saying Christians don't kill Muslims, but from what it seems it looks like Muslims kill more Christians than the other way around
 
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You must have been watching 'Little Mosque on the Prairie?'

I got your handfull hanging!!!!

We're talking about Egypt here but maybe you can explain the Christian genocide in Bosnia, Kosovo, Nigeria, Lebanon and Sudan (among other countries) by a handful of moslems????

Maybe you can explain 10 million Christians slaughtered by Moslems in the name of islamic jihad in the twentieth century alone??

I can explain it, that is what their so-called 'religion' tells them they MUST do!

Egypt: Genocide on Coptic Christians – BBC Claims “Sectarian Violence is Unusual” ? Winds Of Jihad By SheikYerMami

Muslims Torch Christian Homes in Egypt

Coptic Christians in the Upper Egyptian village of el-Nowahed, Abu-Tesht, in Qena Province, were victims of an attack by a Moslim mob of nearly one thousand on Monday, November 15. The attack started at nearly 10:00 pm on Monday evening and lasted until the early hours of Tuesday morning.

The large mob of Muslims from el-Nowahed and the surrounding villages besieged and waged an attack against Coptic homes amidst cries of "Allah is the greatest" and other Islamic Jihadist slogans. They threw fireballs, gasoline and stones at Coptic homes and detonated Butane Gas cylinders. Christian-owned homes were looted and shops were broken into, plundered and burned. There were no reported casualties.
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Nuance this:

Egypt: Muslim gangs rape Christian girls

More love and charity from the beautiful and peaceful religion! As Egypt's ancient Christian-Coptic community is genocided, the world idly stands by and repeats the pretense that Islam is a "religion of peace." The latest reported atrocity from the Wonderful World of Islam is the kidnap and gang rape of Christian girls in Egypt, with the rapist-beasts receiving what appears to be total immunity for their crimes. Indeed, it is in keeping with the centuries-long Islamic practice of "rape jihad" that these thugs are to be lauded for their despicable behavior.
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This behavior is common throughout the world of islam where they are in the majority and becoming much more common in parts of Europe where moslems had established sectors where they are in the majority.
 
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droski said:
it's extraordinarily rare that priests molest young boys, but i'd hardly argue it's not a problem.
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I hope LG finds this Muslim killing Christians a problem. The extremist 1% makes the entire religion look bad. Kinda like the fundamentalist whatever percent of Christians.
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droski said:
it's extraordinarily rare that priests molest young boys, but i'd hardly argue it's not a problem.
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1) I never said it isn't a problem. It is clearly one we need to deal with.

2) Just because whatever number of priests have done this I don't see you, joe, or gsvol condemning all priests as committed to child molestation.

3) I would imagine that the number of priests who have committed this kind of act is, as a proportion of the whole, much higher than the number of Muslims who have committed acts of terrorism.



VOLatile said:
I hope LG finds this Muslim killing Christians a problem. The extremist 1% makes the entire religion look bad. Kinda like the fundamentalist whatever percent of Christians.
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Lots of differences and I don't necessarily like making the comparison because of all the variables. I do it only to remind folks that they cannot jump to the conclusion that every act of violence is endorsed by all Muslims, or is representative of all Muslims.

Does religious fervor have something to do with it? Obviously, yes. But it would be so easy to paint with a broad brush here and, to some degree, I think that is what the terrorists want -- to ignite worldwide hatred between people based on religious division.

A good argument can be made that every knee-jerk reaction that tends to separate us along those lines and to ensure more conflict is a W for the bad guys.
 
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lawgator1 said:
1)A good argument can be made that every knee-jerk reaction that tends to separate us along those lines and to ensure more conflict is a W for the bad guys.
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So the best way to ensure winning would be to commit as many atrocities as possible to incite such reactions, wouldn't it?

I thought that was pretty much the problem. And the alternative is to what...let them? I'm not trying to be flippant when I say it's more than just a couple nutcases scattered here and there shooting a few people. (not to give the impression of downplaying that) This is nothing remotely new, is ongoing and the body count worldwide is hardly trivial. I'm not about to claim I've got some magical answer but as news report after news report of violent acts (or at least attempts of said) keep pouring in from home and abroad it gets harder and harder to see "isolated extremists" as a useful definition.

Some people seem content to use a percentage in a dismissive way, saying X percent of Y is no reason to condemn all of Z. That looks absolutely reasonable as a formula but if X is sufficiently large it can still be very bad. Bump into a beehive of 100 and get stung by 10% and you've got 10 stings. That's no fun. If that hive is of 1000 bees a 10% sting rate is likely going to be lethal. Want to argue 1% of Muslims fit this "extremist" category? Fine...now figure out how many extremists that makes. Now figure what percentage of the rest that, if not giving tacit approval, certainly aren't going to knock themselves out denouncing the actions of that 1%. It's not a good thing we've got going here.
 
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The ole "Muslims don't condemn the extremists" thing is played out and simply not true. Attacks and such are widely condemned by the mainstream Muslim community, but such things don't get much "air time."
 
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IPorange said:
The ole "Muslims don't condemn the extremists" thing is played out and simply not true. Attacks and such are widely condemned by the mainstream Muslim community, but such things don't get much "air time."
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Yep, even the very conservative Iranian government strongly condemns these kinds of attacks.
 
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IPorange said:
The ole "Muslims don't condemn the extremists" thing is played out and simply not true. Attacks and such are widely condemned by the mainstream Muslim community, but such things don't get much "air time."
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You may or may not have been directly addressing my post but at the very least I'd say the boldened above is as big a generalization (and therefore falsehood) as any other blanket statement made on the issue. ARE there those that condemn such attacks? Certainly, and only speaking for myself I have never argued otherwise.

What is you reasoning as to exactly why there would be a dearth of air time for profound denouncement of terrorist acts by many Muslims? Fear of retaliation for speaking their mind thus? Inability to find a willing ear? Other?
 
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VOLatile said:
These things don't bode well if they want to be viewed as a peaceful religion... however, it's not the majority of Muslims that are doing the bombings, it's the extremist 1%. Kinda like the Christians that bombed abortion clinics.
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No it isn't. That is a horrible comparison. Extremists by the estimates I have seen account for something like 10% of Muslims.

Christian "extremists" come nowhere near 1% in this country.

Most importantly, when a "Christian" extremist bombs an abortion clinic... the other 99%+ condemn them and support their suppression. The 90% or so of non-extremist Muslims all too often harbor and tolerate their extremists.

This is not an isolated incident in "moderate" Egypt.
 
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VOLatile said:
I hope LG finds this Muslim killing Christians a problem. The extremist 1% makes the entire religion look bad. Kinda like the fundamentalist whatever percent of Christians.
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Would you even know a fundamental Christian if you met one?

Fundamental means basic... direct... orthodox... adhering strictly to the fundamental articles of faith. In this case the "fundamentals" of the two religions come from their religious texts.

Therefore a fundamental Christian would be one that adheres as closely as possible to the NT.

The more "fundamental" a Christian is, the less likely it is they would ever use violence as a means of converting someone or opposing someone who disagreed with them. The NT commands Christians to be willing to die for their faith... but not kill for it.

The more "fundamental" and Koranically literal a Muslim is, the more likely it is that he would kill in defense of "the true religion".
 
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