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It's always been a "legal" issue there for me. I've always thought it had much more to do with the state of Penn laws, not the NCAA. The fact is though, they had to get their input in to make a public effort to "enforce" their own "rules". When they did that, I thought it was pointless, but understood their reasoning. Now that they have recanted, it makes them look weak. If its not really about the $ with the NCAA, prove it. Oh and that check has already cleared the bank I'd bet.
 
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TXA&M07 said:
It's always been a "legal" issue there for me. I've always thought it had much more to do with the state of Penn laws, not the NCAA. The fact is though, they had to get their input in to make a public effort to "enforce" their own "rules". When they did that, I thought it was pointless, but understood their reasoning. Now that they have recanted, it makes them look weak. If its not really about the $ with the NCAA, prove it. Oh and that check has already cleared the bank I'd bet.
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I agree, it makes the NCAA look even worse than they did by sticking their nose in it at the start. If they did anything it should have been to suspend Penn States membership.
 
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My point is f you're gonna flex your muscle and enforce rules, do it. Don't just grab your $ and call it good. And the fact that this is "because they've been compliant" is an even bigger joke. Congrats Penn State, you've followed the rules! Here is your reward!
 
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TXA&M07 said:
It's always been a "legal" issue there for me. I've always thought it had much more to do with the state of Penn laws, not the NCAA. The fact is though, they had to get their input in to make a public effort to "enforce" their own "rules". When they did that, I thought it was pointless, but understood their reasoning. Now that they have recanted, it makes them look weak. If its not really about the $ with the NCAA, prove it. Oh and that check has already cleared the bank I'd bet.
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But the folks in Indianapolis made their own bed.

From the very beginning, the NCAA could have said "This is a very serious and troubling issue. But it is a legal issue, and not something we intend to insert ourselves into. We fully believe that the appropriate authorities will see that justice is carried out."

Done. No one with a fully functioning brain would have had a problem with that.
 
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bamawriter said:
But the folks in Indianapolis made their own bed.

From the very beginning, the NCAA could have said "This is a very serious and troubling issue. But it is a legal issue, and not something we intend to insert ourselves into. We fully believe that the appropriate authorities will see that justice is carried out."

Done. No one with a fully functioning brain would have had a problem with that.
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Agreed. That's what they should have done, but they view themselves much more authoritative than they really are, thus they had their input. It was dumb from the start but now it looks even dumber because they didnt really back it up.
 
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TXA&M07 said:
My point is f you're gonna flex your muscle and enforce rules, do it.
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Penn St violated no NCAA rules. What the NCAA "enforced" was what they assumed was the public's desire for vengeance. They overestimated that desire and underestimated their membership's collective disdain for their enforcement efforts.
 
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bamawriter said:
But the folks in Indianapolis made their own bed.

From the very beginning, the NCAA could have said "This is a very serious and troubling issue. But it is a legal issue, and not something we intend to insert ourselves into. We fully believe that the appropriate authorities will see that justice is carried out."

Done. No one with a fully functioning brain would have had a problem with that.
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True, but as you probably recall, many people were clamoring for the NCAA to insert themselves into the situation. Now the NCAA has egg on its face.
 
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bamawriter said:
Penn St violated no NCAA rules. What the NCAA "enforced" was what they assumed was the public's desire for vengeance. They overestimated that desire and underestimated their membership's collective disdain for their enforcement efforts.
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Really?
 
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VolStrom said:
Really?
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Without a doubt.

Penn State did not violate a single NCAA rule. Did several Penn State employees violate federal and PA state laws? Absolutely. But nothing that happened in the Sandusky mess is dealt with anywhere in the NCAA bylaws.
 
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What happened was boys were raped and it was covered up by the university. What better place to start than by punishing the place where it all started, the football program. Spin it however you want to, but as far as I'm concerned they deserved a lot worse than they got.
 
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VolStrom said:
What happened was boys were raped and it was covered up by the university.
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Which is against the law of the State of Pennsylvania, and its coverup is covered by various State and Federal laws. You will not find the word "rape" anywhere in the NCAA's bylaws.

What better place to start than by punishing the place where it all started, the football program.
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Actually, it started within the confines of Sandusky's "charitable" venture, the Second Mile. Sandusky used his access to the Penn State facilities as a place to ply his disgusting trade.

The "football program" isn't a place. It's a collection of people. Sandusky was one of those people. He will be spending the rest of his life in prison.

Joe Paterno is another. He's dead.

Spanier, Shultz, and Curley are the other three that have been conclusively identified in the coverup. They will all be spending time in prison.

So every single person involved in criminal activity is either dead, in prison, or headed to prison. The NCAA's actions did not affect the guilty.

Spin it however you want to, but as far as I'm concerned they deserved a lot worse than they got.
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So, every person involved in Penn State athletics, either directly or indirectly, that had absolutely nothing to do with these horrible crimes deserves worse than the NCAA originally dealt out?

That's called "a mindless desire for vengeance". I refuse to agree with your line of thinking.
 
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bamawriter said:
Without a doubt.

Penn State did not violate a single NCAA rule. Did several Penn State employees violate federal and PA state laws? Absolutely. But nothing that happened in the Sandusky mess is dealt with anywhere in the NCAA bylaws.
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Didnt it(NCAA violations/compliance) have something to do with Paterno getting fired because he knew what was going on and didnt stop it - I really dont care to re read the disgusting story again. Same with Tressel at OSU he was fired and sanctions imposed because he knew what was going on and didnt stop it.
 
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508mikey said:
Didnt it(NCAA violations/compliance) have something to do with Paterno getting fired because he knew what was going on and didnt stop it - I really dont care to re read the disgusting story again.
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Nope. He was fired because he was named in the coverup of several felonies.

Same with Tressel at OSU he was fired and sanctions imposed because he knew what was going on and didnt stop it.
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What Tressel covered up were actual NCAA violations. What the Tattoo Five did was not against the law.
 
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VolStrom said:
Well, if that's true why do it today, wait a week or two. Right after the big 10 destroy their chances of a playoff berth just looks too suspicious.
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Does the NCAA care what conferences are represented in the playoff? Only 4 out of the P5 can make it anyway so someone is automatically eliminated. If they wanted all 5 represented they should've made the playoffs 8 teams.
 
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NCAA is a joke. Whether the penalties were right or wrong, they should not have been lifted early.
 
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VolStrom said:
How do know that? As far as I'm concerned the NCAA is a joke and they answer to the P5.
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Penn State is a public institution. Its money is the property of the State of Pennsylvania. The NCAA doesn't have the authority to requisition State funds for its own purposes, no matter the circumstance.

They were going to lose that lawsuit, and they knew it, which is why they bailed.
 
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bamawriter said:
Penn State is a public institution. Its money is the property of the State of Pennsylvania. The NCAA doesn't have the authority to requisition State funds for its own purposes, no matter the circumstance.

They were going to lose that lawsuit, and they knew it, which is why they bailed.
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And the NCAA also doesn't have to distribute any money to Penn State. As far as I'm concerned the NCAA needs to cut off that POS university from ever receiving anything.
 
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VolStrom said:
And the NCAA also doesn't have to distribute any money to Penn State. As far as I'm concerned the NCAA needs to cut off that POS university from ever receiving anything.
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The NCAA could have voted PSU out. They don't have to associate with anyone they don't want to. While I wouldn't have agreed with it, it would have been within their authority. What they chose to do was not within their authority.
 
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I'm not going to belittle this point, but Penn State covered up for a pedophile and they deserved everything that the NCAA gave them.

Now all of a sudden they get off scott free. BS.
 
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VolStrom said:
I'm not going to belittle this point, but Penn State covered up for a pedophile and they deserved everything that the NCAA gave them.
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Penn State is made up of thousands of people. 5 of those people were involved in the crime or coverup. All 5 were completely outside of the NCAA's authority by the time the NCAA chose to act.

Now all of a sudden they get off scott free. BS.
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They still missed two bowls and lost 20 scholarships that will take multiple recruiting classes to make up. How is that "scott free"?
 
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