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#51
#51
bamawriter said:
Penn State is made up of thousands of people. 5 of those people were involved in the crime or coverup. All 5 were completely outside of the NCAA's authority by the time the NCAA chose to act.



They still missed two bowls and lost 20 scholarships that will take multiple recruiting classes to make up. How is that "scott free"?
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Doesn't come close to making up for what happened there. And, I'd think that more than a few were involved in the cover up. Not trying to start a debate or argument over what happened. It was atrocious, to say the least.
 
#52
#52
Slydell said:
Doesn't come close to making up for what happened there. And, I'd think that more than a few were involved in the cover up. Not trying to start a debate or argument over what happened. It was atrocious, to say the least.
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How many football games does Penn State need to lose to make up for what happened? How many bowl games missed will make up for what Sandusky did?
 
#53
#53
Slydell said:
Doesn't come close to making up for what happened there. And, I'd think that more than a few were involved in the cover up. Not trying to start a debate or argument over what happened. It was atrocious, to say the least.
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bamawriter said:
How many football games does Penn State need to lose to make up for what happened? How many bowl games missed will make up for what Sandusky did?
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Only point I have. If something like this was came to light at Tennessee or Alabama, what do you think should happen?
 
#54
#54
PSU paid price, deserves to be back - Big Ten Blog - ESPN

No one could argue that the Penn State football program did not pay a severe price for the Jerry Sandusky child-abuse scandal.

Sure, there were people who believed then and perhaps now that the Nittany Lions deserved the death penalty for the school's role in the former assistant coach's horrific crimes, and there are valid, moral reasons for that opinion. But Penn State has served a two-year bowl ban, surrendered dozens of scholarships, paid a $60 million fine, surrendered millions more in Big Ten bowl revenues, and dealt with an immeasurable stain on its reputation.

That's why the NCAA executive committee's decision on Monday to restore bowl eligibility immediately and bring the team back to the full 85 scholarships next season was the right call. Enough was enough.

Forget for a moment the unprecedented lengths NCAA president Mark Emmert traveled in order to punish Penn State for what was a criminal matter, not an NCAA rules violation. Discard the notion that those penalties and the ongoing oversight reports by former U.S. Sen. George Mitchell were mostly a public relations show. It simply never made sense to hold accountable current players and coaches who had no association whatsoever to Sandusky.

All who were actually involved are gone. Former Penn State president Graham Spanier, ex-athletic director Tim Curley and former administrator Gary Schultz lost their jobs and are awaiting trial. Former coach Joe Paterno is dead, and his legacy has been carefully scrubbed from all official proceedings. The school is on its second president (Eric Barron) since Spanier was deposed and recently hired its second athletic director (Sandy Barbour) since the scandal broke. James Franklin is the second coach since Paterno, and neither he nor predecessor Bill O'Brien had any direct ties to the school.

This is a new Penn State today, one that Mitchell noted has cooperated with 115 of the 119 recommendations made by the controversial Freeh report. Yet despite Mitchell's glowing remarks about the school's "commitment to integrity," anyone who has ever proudly yelled "We Are" knew deep down that the Nittany Lions didn't really have a "culture problem" -- at least not conventionally so.

Far from some rogue program, Penn State always ranked near the top of the NCAA graduation rates and never had to worry about knowing the names of infractions committee members. Sandusky was able to roam and prey in large part because Penn State was such a close-knit and closed-off community that provided too little oversight of its ingrained leadership. How banning the current football team from playing in a bowl game reflected or changed any of that never really computed.

The university must continue to make sure that checks and balances exist, and Monday's news should help provide more closure to the school's most difficult era. The divide between those who believe Paterno did no wrong and those who disagree may remain too large to bridge in the near future, however.

What the entire Penn State community can rally behind, even more so than it already has, is this season's football team. Freed from the NCAA shackles, the Nittany Lions can make a legitimate run at a postseason game this fall, and the turnout for a bowl should be huge if they get to one. Just about everything Franklin has touched since arriving in State College has turned to gold. He has hit all the right notes with fans, reeled in top recruits despite the restrictions, and won his opener on a last-second field goal. Heck, even his former team, Vanderbilt, has gone up in flames in its first two games since he left.

Unleashing Franklin onto an even playing field should make Penn State a Big Ten and national force again in the very near future, though there will be roster ramifications from the initial scholarship reductions still to overcome. The fact that the Nittany Lions didn't completely collapse under the weight of the sanctions -- they managed to avoid having a losing season, kept a player exodus to a minimum and still drew large crowds to Beaver Stadium -- are a testament to O'Brien and 2012 captains like Michael Mauti, along with the unyielding devotion that Pennsylvanians have for the Blue and White.

Some might still contend that Penn State should have stopped playing football altogether as penance for what Sandusky did under their noses. But the Nittany Lions are still here, and there's no reason to keep punishing current and future players. A steep price has already been paid.
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#55
#55
Slydell said:
Only point I have. If something like this was came to light at Tennessee or Alabama, what do you think should happen?
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The guilty individuals should be prosecuted and the victims should be compensated, both to the fullest the law allows.

Name any school, I'll give the same answer.
 
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#56
bamawriter said:
The guilty individuals should be prosecuted and the victims should be compensated, both to the fullest the law allows.

Name any school, I'll give the same answer.
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As it should be. Since there were no NCAA violations involved, I would guess lack of institutional control is off the table. Yes?
 
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They might want to include some new policies in their little black book for the future. On the other hand, the NCAA might be looking at a very short future.
 
#59
#59
Slydell said:
Only point I have. If something like this was came to light at Tennessee or Alabama, what do you think should happen?
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If something like that were to happen at Tennessee, I would be done being a Vol fan.
Probably the only thing in the world that could drive me to that.
 
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Doyle Hargraves said:
If something like that were to happen at Tennessee, I would be done being a Vol fan.
Probably the only thing in the world that could drive me to that.
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Agree. I have nothing for a pedophile except a bullet to the groin. Sorry to say, but I have kids and this crap scares me to death.
 
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Generally agree with bamawriter's points itt. The NCAA has no business enforcing the law, or anything beyond its own bylaws.
 
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#64
Doyle Hargraves said:
If something like that were to happen at Tennessee, I would be done being a Vol fan.
Probably the only thing in the world that could drive me to that.
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While my gut reaction would be the same, I don't think it is that simple. Would I refuse to support in any way the school until all those who played a part are identified and removed from the university completely? Yes. Would I still be a "fan" of the University of Tennessee? I grew up going to and watching the games. I went to the University.

What if it was the swimming coach who did it? Would that change the perception of the football program?
 
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milohimself said:
Generally agree with bamawriter's points itt. The NCAA has no business enforcing the law, or anything beyond its own bylaws.
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Apparently someone had to. Do you honestly believe that if the NCAA didn't lay the hammer down that other universities wouldn't stand up and take notice?

Look at the Rice punch in the face incident. Where was the law in that? Until you take money out of someones pocket do attitudes change.

I think the NCAA did the right thing and other universities will take notice for fear of the money loss.
 
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#66
VolStrom said:
Apparently someone had to. Do you honestly believe that if the NCAA didn't lay the hammer down that other universities wouldn't stand up and take notice?

Look at the Rice punch in the face incident. Where was the law in that? Until you take money out of someones pocket do attitudes change.

I think the NCAA did the right thing and other universities will take notice for fear of the money loss.
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What do you mean "someone had to"? The only guilty party who won't be spending time in prison avoided prosecution by way of being dead. The comparison to the Ray Rice situation is night-and-day.

Do you even know what happened in the PSU situation other than what the NCAA did?
 
#67
#67
bamawriter said:
What do you mean "someone had to"? The only guilty party who won't be spending time in prison avoided prosecution by way of being dead. The comparison to the Ray Rice situation is night-and-day.

Do you even know what happened in the PSU situation other than what the NCAA did?
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Well Bama Writer I guess I'm an idiot. No I don't know all of the details about what happened as I'm sure you will enlighten me on. What I do know is there was a cover up. The only reason to cover up something is avoid guilt.
 
#68
#68
VolStrom said:
Well Bama Writer I guess I'm an idiot. No I don't know all of the details about what happened as I'm sure you will enlighten me on. What I do know is there was a cover up. The only reason to cover up something is avoid guilt.
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And the guilty are either serving an effective life sentence, awaiting trial on both State and Federal charges, or dead. What is it about any of that that somehow seems inadequate? And how does attempting to cause a football team to lose games remedy that inadequacy?
 
#69
#69
VolStrom said:
Well Bama Writer I guess I'm an idiot. No I don't know all of the details about what happened as I'm sure you will enlighten me on. What I do know is there was a cover up. The only reason to cover up something is avoid guilt.
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The guilty party will die in prison.
 
#70
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bamawriter said:
And the guilty are either serving an effective life sentence, awaiting trial on both State and Federal charges, or dead. What is it about any of that that somehow seems inadequate? And how does attempting to cause a football team to lose games remedy that inadequacy?
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Because apparently there's a widespread issue with pedophiles masquerading as football coaches running amuck on college campuses...to the point where the NCAA needs to step in and make an example of Penn State so every other school will think twice about allowing all these pedophiles to run around unchecked.
 
#71
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Lawrence Wright said:
Because apparently there's a widespread issue with pedophiles masquerading as football coaches running amuck on college campuses...to the point where the NCAA needs to step in and make an example of Penn State so every other school will think twice about allowing all these pedophiles to run around unchecked.
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Of course. And the threat of NCAA sanctions is way scarier than prison.
 
#72
#72
VolStrom said:
Apparently someone had to. Do you honestly believe that if the NCAA didn't lay the hammer down that other universities wouldn't stand up and take notice?

Look at the Rice punch in the face incident. Where was the law in that? Until you take money out of someones pocket do attitudes change.

I think the NCAA did the right thing and other universities will take notice for fear of the money loss.
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Somebody did. The Attorney General for the State of Pennsylvania, and God.
 
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