Penn State scandal (merged)

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the.one.the.only said:
I know you're joking, but just in case... Surely he meant pedophiles.
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I'm not joking. The thing he first identified as repulsive about this scandal wasn't the freaking child rape, it was the homosexuality. When pedophilia was brought up, he said "That too." He said that "several million" people in the US should be put to death. Sounds like he just wants to burn all gays at the stake to me.
 
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#53
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I don't care how "senile" you are, if you hear what you did, you go to the police.
 
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Does anyone actually know what the conversation between Paterno and the AD included? If the AD says that he has to handle it because of various legal issues involved (and Paterno doesn't have a law background), then it ceases to become Paterno's responsibility. Maybe it's just me, but a coach having reported an issue to an AD (who has immediate access to lawyers and all sorts of other people advising him) is about as far as he could go with it.
 
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Ohio Vol said:
Does anyone actually know what the conversation between Paterno and the AD included? If the AD says that he has to handle it because of various legal issues involved (and Paterno doesn't have a law background), then it ceases to become Paterno's responsibility. Maybe it's just me, but a coach having reported an issue to an AD (who has immediate access to lawyers and all sorts of other people advising him) is about as far as he could go with it.
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At Penn State, Joe Paterno basically is the football program. If someone comes to him and says, "Hey, I just saw one of your former coaches fscking a ten-year-old kid in the shower in your team's locker room," he doesn't get to just say, "Oh well, I told my boss, that's all I needed to do" and forget about it when nothing comes of it. Penn State's reputation and his reputation are the same thing.

A child had been allegedly raped by one of his longtime coaches in his own team's locker room, and Paterno apparently didn't feel that was worth following up on.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
At Penn State, Joe Paterno basically is the football program. If someone comes to him and says, "Hey, I just saw one of your former coaches fscking a ten-year-old kid in the shower in your team's locker room," he doesn't get to just say, "Oh well, I told my boss, that's all I needed to do" and forget about it when nothing comes of it. Penn State's reputation and his reputation are the same thing.

A child had been allegedly raped by one of his longtime coaches in his own team's locker room, and Paterno apparently didn't feel that was worth following up on.
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He had nine years. It wasn't like he told the AD and six months later nothing was done because the AD kept saying "Yes, I'm getting to that. Just a lot of red tape." This was nine years.
 
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I don't understand why just reporting it to the AD and not law enforcement gets him off the hook. I thought that everyone (not just teachers or doctors, for instance) is legally required to report child abuse, no matter what.

This is from the Pennsylvania Attorney General website (Press: The Attorney General's Press Office - Pennsylvania Office of Attorney General), titled Child sex charges filed against Jerry Sandusky; two top Penn State University officials charged with perjury & failure to report suspected child abuse (the italics are mine)

"One of the most compelling and disturbing pieces of testimony in this investigation came from an eyewitness to a late-night sexual assault that allegedly occurred in March of 2002, in the locker room of the Lasch Football Building on the University Park Campus," Kelly said. "Hearing what sounded like sexual activity in the showers of a building that was supposed to be empty, a graduate assistant reportedly observed Sandusky sexually assaulting a naked boy who appeared to be about 10 years old."

According to the grand jury, the graduate assistant had returned to the football building that evening to put a new pair of sneakers in his locker and to retrieve some recruiting films, only to be surprised that the lights were on in the locker room and showers were running. The assistant immediately recognized Sandusky.

Kelly said the assistant, who was extremely upset about what he had seen, immediately called his father to relate what he had discovered. Together, the two decided that the assistant should promptly report the incident to head football coach Joe Paterno.

The next morning, the assistant telephoned Paterno and then went to Paterno's home to explain what he had seen. Paterno testified that he then called Penn State Athletic Director Tim Curley and met with Curley the following day, explaining that a graduate assistant had reported seeing Sandusky involved in sexual activity with a young boy in the showers at the Lasch Building.​

If they have charged these two with failure to report child abuse to law enforcement, why haven't they charged Paterno? Are they now saying that as long as you tell someone else about it, including presumably some guy sitting next to you on the bus, you've fulfilled your duty?
 
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Was Sandusky on the coaching staff when the grad assistant reported this information to Paterno?
 
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First the sweater vest... Now Joepa.

There is no hope left in college sports (not that I ever really had hope in those men to begin with.)

Everyone has secrets they keep, now a days its just impossible to keep.
 
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jackaro said:
I have lost all respect for Joe Paterno after this. He should have reported this to the police no matter what the consequences were for the school or his assistant coach.
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agreed, after reporting it to the University, wouldn't you expect to see him charged eventually...
the fact they hid it for 9 years is shocking as well
 
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VolNExile said:
I don't understand why just reporting it to the AD and not law enforcement gets him off the hook. I thought that everyone (not just teachers or doctors, for instance) is legally required to report child abuse, no matter what.

This is from the Pennsylvania Attorney General website (Press: The Attorney General's Press Office - Pennsylvania Office of Attorney General), titled Child sex charges filed against Jerry Sandusky; two top Penn State University officials charged with perjury & failure to report suspected child abuse (the italics are mine)

"One of the most compelling and disturbing pieces of testimony in this investigation came from an eyewitness to a late-night sexual assault that allegedly occurred in March of 2002, in the locker room of the Lasch Football Building on the University Park Campus," Kelly said. "Hearing what sounded like sexual activity in the showers of a building that was supposed to be empty, a graduate assistant reportedly observed Sandusky sexually assaulting a naked boy who appeared to be about 10 years old."

According to the grand jury, the graduate assistant had returned to the football building that evening to put a new pair of sneakers in his locker and to retrieve some recruiting films, only to be surprised that the lights were on in the locker room and showers were running. The assistant immediately recognized Sandusky.

Kelly said the assistant, who was extremely upset about what he had seen, immediately called his father to relate what he had discovered. Together, the two decided that the assistant should promptly report the incident to head football coach Joe Paterno.

The next morning, the assistant telephoned Paterno and then went to Paterno's home to explain what he had seen. Paterno testified that he then called Penn State Athletic Director Tim Curley and met with Curley the following day, explaining that a graduate assistant had reported seeing Sandusky involved in sexual activity with a young boy in the showers at the Lasch Building.​

If they have charged these two with failure to report child abuse to law enforcement, why haven't they charged Paterno? Are they now saying that as long as you tell someone else about it, including presumably some guy sitting next to you on the bus, you've fulfilled your duty?
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I understand your confusion as to why Paterno is not charged; however, do you harbor the same question as to why this GA was not charged? He was an eyewitness. He was an grown-ass-adult. He should have gone to the police. Paterno on up should have also gone to the police; however, at that point they are just reporting hearsay.
 
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therealUT said:
I understand your confusion as to why Paterno is not charged; however, do you harbor the same question as to why this GA was not charged? He was an eyewitness. He was an grown-ass-adult. He should have gone to the police. Paterno on up should have also gone to the police; however, at that point they are just reporting hearsay.
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Yes, that's true; he should have as well. I thought about it after posting.

So many people in the know, presumably repulsed, but who didn't report it to the police. How many more kids were abused in the following nine years, who might have escaped it this had been brought to light sooner...
 
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The thing is if he was doing this in a locker room, wtf was going on at his house prob.

What a scum bag.
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therealUT said:
I understand your confusion as to why Paterno is not charged; however, do you harbor the same question as to why this GA was not charged? He was an eyewitness. He was an grown-ass-adult. He should have gone to the police. Paterno on up should have also gone to the police; however, at that point they are just reporting hearsay.
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It's bad of the ga too. Honestly this whole story is just so shocking.
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Vercingetorix said:
At Penn State, Joe Paterno basically is the football program. If someone comes to him and says, "Hey, I just saw one of your former coaches fscking a ten-year-old kid in the shower in your team's locker room," he doesn't get to just say, "Oh well, I told my boss, that's all I needed to do" and forget about it when nothing comes of it. Penn State's reputation and his reputation are the same thing.

A child had been allegedly raped by one of his longtime coaches in his own team's locker room, and Paterno apparently didn't feel that was worth following up on.
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exactly
 
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And we lost a great basketball coach for lying about a kid at a backyard barbecue. Something is wrong with this picture if Paterno isn't fired immediately.
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#70
This all just gets more disturbing the more comes out. This makes anything that TN basketball, Miami/Ohio St, or anything Kiffy has done look like cheating at a game of go fish.
 
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So the GA told the grand jury that he saw Sandusky buttfscking a young kid in the shower. He also testified that he told Paterno the same thing.

Now Paterno has issued a statement saying that he's shocked by the allegations, and all the GA ever told him was that he'd seen something "inappropriate."

I'm sorry, there's no freaking way that the GA went to Paterno and said, "Coach, I'm sorry, I saw something 'inappropriate' last night" and left it at that. No way Paterno didn't ask for any other details. And if he didn't, he's negligent.

Paterno stuck his head in the sand about this and Sadusky went free and he molested more kids for years afterwards. Disgusting.
 
#73
#73
This whole ordeal is abominable. JoePa can feign ignorance all he wants, but his legacy is tarnished.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
At Penn State, Joe Paterno basically is the football program. If someone comes to him and says, "Hey, I just saw one of your former coaches fscking a ten-year-old kid in the shower in your team's locker room," he doesn't get to just say, "Oh well, I told my boss, that's all I needed to do" and forget about it when nothing comes of it. Penn State's reputation and his reputation are the same thing.

A child had been allegedly raped by one of his longtime coaches in his own team's locker room, and Paterno apparently didn't feel that was worth following up on.
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zjcvols said:
He had nine years. It wasn't like he told the AD and six months later nothing was done because the AD kept saying "Yes, I'm getting to that. Just a lot of red tape." This was nine years.
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The entire report basically reads like a repeat of what Theo Fleury and Sheldon Kennedy both reported about their old junior hockey coach (Graham James), which was plenty nauseating as well.

Paterno spoke earlier and said that the GA didn't offer specific information when he was informed of the matter. Unfortunately, of the three people who he seems to have spoken to about the matter (the GA, Schultz, and Curley), two of them are being indicted for perjury related to the matter. So, since it's not like they have much in the way of credibility anyway, it's entirely possible that they told Paterno at some later point that it had been investigated and that there was nothing to the matter. It's possible that they threatened to force him out if he asked questions. We don't know; it's not in the records, and I highly doubt that Paterno wants to go into any detail in the middle of a season.

Here's the timeline as I see it from the report.
1) GA sees a crime being committed
2) GA tells Paterno the next day
3) Paterno calls Curley to his house the next day and reports the matter
4) Roughly 10 days later, the GA meets with Curley and Schultz; they assure him that they'll follow up
5) A couple weeks later, Curley calls the GA and says that it's been reported and otherwise taken care of

There are a lot of gaps in there that can't be reconciled. But frankly, I think it's fair to say that Paterno has built up 60 years of credibility with pretty much a spotless record. I'm a lot more inclined to believe him and give him the benefit of the doubt than I am to believe two guys who are being charged with perjury.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
So the GA told the grand jury that he saw Sandusky buttfscking a young kid in the shower. He also testified that he told Paterno the same thing.

Now Paterno has issued a statement saying that he's shocked by the allegations, and all the GA ever told him was that he'd seen something "inappropriate."

I'm sorry, there's no freaking way that the GA went to Paterno and said, "Coach, I'm sorry, I saw something 'inappropriate' last night" and left it at that. No way Paterno didn't ask for any other details. And if he didn't, he's negligent.

Paterno stuck his head in the sand about this and Sadusky went free and he molested more kids for years afterwards. Disgusting.
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Paterno's grand jury testimony says that he told Curley that the GA had reported seeing Sandusky "fondling or doing something of a sexual nature". His earlier statement was that "(the GA) at no time related to me the very specific actions contained in the Grand Jury report. Regardless, it was clear that the witness saw something inappropriate involving Mr. Sandusky"

Yes, those two statements can be reconciled.
 
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