Personal foul from last night's game

#27
#27
thagodfather said:
that guy is a defensive starter, hardly defenseless. look at the punch. he stopped the punch before he connected. i'm assuming you are talking about the one to the back.
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what i was getting at was during that play he was on the ground and blocked. thus being defenseless. now i understand the logic you have for a closed fist not being a punch, but it sure appeared to be movement of his arm to the back of a guy that was down. that very closely resembled a punching movement to me open hand or not. it was uncalled for regardless.
 
#29
#29
orangeblooded2 said:
The chop to the throat....

In the back ground you can see the wave for the fair catch.the players slow and stop and the continued
....Assault.Blatant person foul.
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chop to the throat? that's ridiculous. that was an open hand to chest. harrison is not looking behind him for the fair catch. the guys facing the returner slow up. really, have you ever played football at a level higher than pop warner?
 
#31
#31
allvol123 said:
I certainly don't know the NFL rule book but that looks illegal to me. What was the offical call?
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it looks illegal because of the intensity and violent nature of the play combined with the cardinal quitting. the personnel foul was for the softer push after the play.
 
#34
#34
thagodfather said:
it looks illegal because of the intensity and violent nature of the play combined with the cardinal quitting. the personnel foul was for the softer push after the play.
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"personal"

The ref said it was for the push after the play?
 
#40
#40
blupotato said:
what i was getting at was during that play he was on the ground and blocked. thus being defenseless. now i understand the logic you have for a closed fist not being a punch, but it sure appeared to be movement of his arm to the back of a guy that was down. that very closely resembled a punching movement to me open hand or not. it was uncalled for regardless.
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someone was calling for him to be tossed from the game. that's just ridiculous.
 
#41
#41
allvol123 said:
Why? To make an assumption. Refs are often slow getting a flag thrown.
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every ref on the field was slow? they all come down at the same time. serious, it looks bad but it was legal. i coach and attend football games all season. i watch the play away from the ball as well as around the ball. this kind of play happens in almost every game that i watch. i love these type players with this kind of intensity.
 
#42
#42
Jaytrain5 said:
That's not quite accurate.

If you watch the video, the flag's thrown right after the block to the chest, and it's on the ground before Harrison pushes him again.
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it's thrown while he is in the act of pushing him after the play. it's two seconds after the shot to the chest.
 
#43
#43
thagodfather said:
every ref on the field was slow? they all come down at the same time. serious, it looks bad but it was legal. i coach and attend football games all season. i watch the play away from the ball as well as around the ball. this kind of play happens in almost every game that i watch. i love these type players with this kind of intensity.
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You believe every ref on the field was watching those 2 players?

Unnecessary roughness is a subjective call. It is called when a ref determines the actions were not necessary and beyond reasonable in making the block or tackle.

The call was made.
 
#44
#44
Jaytrain5 said:
You're overreacting.
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thagodfather said:
chop to the throat? that's ridiculous. that was an open hand to chest. harrison is not looking behind him for the fair catch. the guys facing the returner slow up. really, have you ever played football at a level higher than pop warner?
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Everybody has a different perception of reality.

I had these same perceptions watching the game.
I would have tossed him.

But i think we can all agree that the strips have the last word.

:compute:
 
#45
#45
thagodfather said:
it's thrown while he is in the act of pushing him after the play. it's two seconds after the shot to the chest.
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There are 2 flags.

The first comes in after the block to the chest...watch Harrison's feet, as he's standing over Francisco...the flag's already on the ground before Harrison pushes him again.
 
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#46
#46
i still say gunners go thru more than that on every punt they are in on.
 
#47
#47
thagodfather said:
someone was calling for him to be tossed from the game. that's just ridiculous.
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i know your a steeler fan and you may coach, but the guy clearly took a swing at a guy on the ground. i understand the legality of the blocking and what your saying, but he was in the process of taking a swing at the guy. everything other than the "punch" was legal to me. yes, he caught himself from an all out punch, but he still hit the guy while he was in the motion of a punch. you can argue that it happens all the time, but in the years of my football playing i was never taught to swing at a guy while he is down. the cardinal took himself out of the play after he tried to get up and without audio i can't tell exactly when the whistle was blown to end the play. so my argument is that he punched a guy while he was down and blocked. open fist or not. without audio to tell when the whistle blew i can't definitively say when the play was over.

i am not trying to pick a fight with you, so i hope you don't feel that is the case here. i guess i just don't see the situation in the same light. yes it may be blown out of proportion, but it is still unnecessary to take a swing at a guy.
 
#48
#48
blupotato said:
i know your a steeler fan and you may coach, but the guy clearly took a swing at a guy on the ground. i understand the legality of the blocking and what your saying, but he was in the process of taking a swing at the guy. everything other than the "punch" was legal to me. yes, he caught himself from an all out punch, but he still hit the guy while he was in the motion of a punch. you can argue that it happens all the time, but in the years of my football playing i was never taught to swing at a guy while he is down. the cardinal took himself out of the play after he tried to get up and without audio i can't tell exactly when the whistle was blown to end the play. so my argument is that he punched a guy while he was down and blocked. open fist or not. without audio to tell when the whistle blew i can't definitively say when the play was over.

i am not trying to pick a fight with you, so i hope you don't feel that is the case here. i guess i just don't see the situation in the same light. yes it may be blown out of proportion, but it is still unnecessary to take a swing at a guy.
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i respect your opinion, however being in the motion of a punch and then hitting with an open hand doesn't count as a punch or o-linemen would be called for that on every play. no player can take himself out of a play. until the whistle blows every player is game. if it had been a cardinal being the aggresser, i would defend him.
 
#49
#49
thagodfather said:
i respect your opinion, however being in the motion of a punch and then hitting with an open hand doesn't count as a punch or o-linemen would be called for that on every play. no player can take himself out of a play. until the whistle blows every player is game. if it had been a cardinal being the aggresser, i would defend him.
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i understand totally what your saying, but it is impossible for me to tell when the play was blown dead and if when the cardinal player was appearing like he was taking himself out of the play correlates with the play being blown dead. flags were on the ground when it appears that he was trying to get up and move away from the block. it would just clear it up a little more.
 
#50
#50
Was it shady? Yes. Does it happen all the time in pileups from high school to the pros? Yes. The refs got the call right, throwing the flag but not tossing him, although maybe he sould have been tossed for being so dumb to hit him where the refs could so obviously see.
 
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