Peyton Manning vs Tom Brady DEBATE

Who is the better QB?

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Saw a thread like this on another forum and it was very 1 sided to Brady.

So i thought i'd post it here and see what everybody thought and also pick up some ammo.
 
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I think Tom Brady makes better decisions but Peyton is a better play caller.
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I suspect Peyton is the more skilled, but Brady has easily had a better career. So Brady.
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Brady is a better playoff qb, at some point in the playoffs Manning has a bad game. Last year it was the superbowl
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Is this really necessary?

This has been debated countless times.
 
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Reverse the teams. If Peyton was with Bellicheat and the Pats, they would be unstoppable. If Brady was with Indy, they are 9-6.

Brady has played for two great offensive coaches - Bellicheat and Weiss plus had D coaches like Romeo Cornell. Peyton got Tony Dungy, Jim Mora and Caldwell. How many Indy asst. coaches have gotten head coaching jobs vs. Pats asst. coaches? That plays a big role in the success of the players on the field.

How many times did Peyton lead his offense to 33 points in game only to see the defense give up 35 points? Then he throws a pick trying to pull one out for the team. Imo, that's not his fault.

Brady is good but Peyton is slightly better. He has carried the Colts for years. Brady has never had to carry the Pats.
 
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The Patriots over the years have had much better teams which gives an advantage to Brady. What was most telling to me was that when Brady went down a couple of years ago they didn't skip a beat, the same would not be true for the Colts if Manning went down.

This had been debated countless times as mentioned before, there are valid points on both sides.
 
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tri_vol said:
Reverse the teams. If Peyton was with Bellicheat and the Pats, they would be unstoppable. If Brady was with Indy, they are 9-6.

Brady has played for two great offensive coaches - Bellicheat and Weiss plus had D coaches like Romeo Cornell. Peyton got Tony Dungy, Jim Mora and Caldwell. How many Indy asst. coaches have gotten head coaching jobs vs. Pats asst. coaches? That plays a big role in the success of the players on the field.

How many times did Peyton lead his offense to 33 points in game only to see the defense give up 35 points? Then he throws a pick trying to pull one out for the team. Imo, that's not his fault.

Brady is good but Peyton is slightly better. He has carried the Colts for years. Brady has never had to carry the Pats.
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Some good points. Didn't look at it like that.
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tri_vol said:
Reverse the teams. If Peyton was with Bellicheat and the Pats, they would be unstoppable. If Brady was with Indy, they are 9-6.

Brady has played for two great offensive coaches - Bellicheat and Weiss plus had D coaches like Romeo Cornell. Peyton got Tony Dungy, Jim Mora and Caldwell. How many Indy asst. coaches have gotten head coaching jobs vs. Pats asst. coaches? That plays a big role in the success of the players on the field.

How many times did Peyton lead his offense to 33 points in game only to see the defense give up 35 points? Then he throws a pick trying to pull one out for the team. Imo, that's not his fault.

Brady is good but Peyton is slightly better. He has carried the Colts for years. Brady has never had to carry the Pats.
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I should probably refrain from posting in this thread, but I find this to be a poor argument.

Belichick for all that he is, is not an offensive mastermind. The dude practically wrote the book on defenses, but that does not qualify him as an offensive genius. Weis, McDaniels, and O'Brien have called the plays in that order. I would rank Tom Moore higher than all three of them. Once you factor in Howard Mudd's expertise on zone-blocking, you have some veteran coaches. If you're talking defensively, sure, Belichick coached teams always have well-coached defenses. In Peyton's defense however, Dungy and Mora are no slouches. In regards to head-coaching, that is irrelevant, all three Patriot's assistants have left and failed. That tells you the real magic between Belichick and Brady.

Did you watch the 2001 Super Bowl? The 2003? Who do you think marched them down the field? Antowain Smith? Kevin Faulk? Hell, he had 354 passing yards against the Panthers.

Let's look at it this way, Manning has had great receivers his entire career -- Harrison, Wayne, Clark while Brady only until recently threw the ball to Troy Brown, David Givens, Deion Branch, and David Patten.

If you want to look at the system, the Erhardt-Perkins system was originally geared toward running the ball. Freaking Manning runs what ever he pleases, a QB friendly system.

Offensively, Tom Brady tied the NFL record for leading his team to the largest margin of victory with 6 touchdowns in one half, yes last year; he didn't play in the second half.

Brady also holds the NFL records for most touchdowns in a season with 56, talk about offensive firepower.

Brady is tied for the most completions in a Super Bowl, and holds the record for most passing completions in Super Bowl history.

Brady is the only QB to start and win 3 Super Bowls before his 28th birthday.

Let's look at Manning's offensive juggernaut playoff record:

In 1999 Manning throws 0 TDs in 42 attempts in first round elimination loss to Titans.

In 2000 Manning throws 1 TD in first round elimination loss to Dolphins, giving Miami their only playoff win of the entire decade.

In 2001 Manning throws 23 INTs during regular season as team misses playoffs.

In 2002 Manning throws 0 TDs and 2 INTs in 41-0 first round elimination loss to the 9-7 Jets

In 2003 Manning throws 4 INTs in AFC Championship game in elimination loss to Patriots. "MVP" season

In 2004 Manning throws 0 TDs and 1 INT in AFC Championship game in elimination loss to Patriots. "MVP" season

In 2005 Manning throws 1 TD at home in a first game elimination loss to the Steelers, after a 14-2 season.

In 2006 Manning threw 3 TDs + 7 INTs during his Super Bowl winning season.

In 2007 Manning throws 6 INTs in regular season loss to Norv Turner's Chargers and then proceeds to be eliminated in first playoff game by same team.

In 2008 Manning throws 1 TD against 31st ranked Norv Turner pass defense in a first round elimination, loss to 8-8 Chargers. “MVP” season

In 2009 Manning throws a game winning interception for the New Orleans Saints in the Super bowl and only manages to score 17 points on the 26th ranked defense. "MVP" season

Manning also plays in an artificial environment, and is not exposed to cold or harsh weather like Brady.

I'll also add that head to head, Brady is winning. Not to mention the illusive Super Bowl rings that he owns.

I could keep going, but I'll stop now.

I'll take Brady.
 
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bam15 said:
I should probably refrain from posting in this thread, but I find this to be a poor argument.

Belichick for all that he is, is not an offensive mastermind. The dude practically wrote the book on defenses, but that does not qualify him as an offensive genius. Weis, McDaniels, and O'Brien have called the plays in that order. I would rank Tom Moore higher than all three of them. Once you factor in Howard Mudd's expertise on zone-blocking, you have some veteran coaches. If you're talking defensively, sure, Belichick coached teams always have well-coached defenses. In Peyton's defense however, Dungy and Mora are no slouches. In regards to head-coaching, that is irrelevant, all three Patriot's assistants have left and failed. That tells you the real magic between Belichick and Brady.

Did you watch the 2001 Super Bowl? The 2003? Who do you think marched them down the field? Antowain Smith? Kevin Faulk? Hell, he had 354 passing yards against the Panthers.

Let's look at it this way, Manning has had great receivers his entire career -- Harrison, Wayne, Clark while Brady only until recently threw the ball to Troy Brown, David Givens, Deion Branch, and David Patten.

If you want to look at the system, the Erhardt-Perkins system was originally geared toward running the ball. Freaking Manning runs what ever he pleases, a QB friendly system.

Offensively, Tom Brady tied the NFL record for leading his team to the largest margin of victory with 6 touchdowns in one half, yes last year; he didn't play in the second half.

Brady also holds the NFL records for most touchdowns in a season with 56, talk about offensive firepower.

Brady is tied for the most completions in a Super Bowl, and holds the record for most passing completions in Super Bowl history.

Brady is the only QB to start and win 3 Super Bowls before his 28th birthday.

Let's look at Manning's offensive juggernaut playoff record:

In 1999 Manning throws 0 TDs in 42 attempts in first round elimination loss to Titans.

In 2000 Manning throws 1 TD in first round elimination loss to Dolphins, giving Miami their only playoff win of the entire decade.

In 2001 Manning throws 23 INTs during regular season as team misses playoffs.

In 2002 Manning throws 0 TDs and 2 INTs in 41-0 first round elimination loss to the 9-7 Jets

In 2003 Manning throws 4 INTs in AFC Championship game in elimination loss to Patriots. "MVP" season

In 2004 Manning throws 0 TDs and 1 INT in AFC Championship game in elimination loss to Patriots. "MVP" season

In 2005 Manning throws 1 TD at home in a first game elimination loss to the Steelers, after a 14-2 season.

In 2006 Manning threw 3 TDs + 7 INTs during his Super Bowl winning season.

In 2007 Manning throws 6 INTs in regular season loss to Norv Turner's Chargers and then proceeds to be eliminated in first playoff game by same team.

In 2008 Manning throws 1 TD against 31st ranked Norv Turner pass defense in a first round elimination, loss to 8-8 Chargers. “MVP” season

In 2009 Manning throws a game winning interception for the New Orleans Saints in the Super bowl and only manages to score 17 points on the 26th ranked defense. "MVP" season

Manning also plays in an artificial environment, and is not exposed to cold or harsh weather like Brady.

I'll also add that head to head, Brady is winning. Not to mention the illusive Super Bowl rings that he owns.

I could keep going, but I'll stop now.

I'll take Brady.
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I have nothing else to contribute, so ehhh.........+1.
 
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the receiver debate is useless since you never know what PM's would have done without him getting them the ball. He has also made some no-name guys look very good

and of course the post had nothing about defense but that's understandable since the Colts were routinely near the bottom and put a lot on Manning's shoulders
 
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utvolpj said:
the receiver debate is useless since you never know what PM's would have done without him getting them the ball. He has also made some no-name guys look very good

and of course the post had nothing about defense but that's understandable since the Colts were routinely near the bottom and put a lot on Manning's shoulders
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Colts:

2002: #8 Overall, #2 in Pass Defense
2003: #11 Overall, #5 in Pass Defense
2004: #29 Overall
2005: #11 Overall
2006: #21 Overall SB WIN
2007: #3 Overall, #2 Pass Defense
2008: #11 Overall, #6 Pass Defense
2009: #18 Overall

Pats:

2002: #23 Overall, #31 Rush Defense
2003: #7 Overall, #4 Rush Defense SB WIN
2004: #9 Overall SB WIN
2005: #26 Overall
2006: #6 Overall
2007: #4 Overall
2008: #10 Overall
2009: #11 Overall

2002: Colts
2003: Pats
2004: Pats
2005: Colts
2006: Pats
2007: Colts
2008: Pats
2009: Pats

The defensive argument is overplayed.

Brady holds multiple playoff and regular season offensive records.
 
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All defensive geniuses are de fact offensive geniuses and vice versa. Can't be one and not the other. Creativity on either side is a different animal, but often go hand in hand as well.
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utvolpj said:
the receiver debate is useless since you never know what PM's would have done without him getting them the ball. He has also made some no-name guys look very good

and of course the post had nothing about defense but that's understandable since the Colts were routinely near the bottom and put a lot on Manning's shoulders
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I bet you 99% of the league would rather have Clark, Harrison, and Wayne over the cast of characters that Brady initially had. Look who he is throwing it to now. Aaron Hernandez? Gostowski? Branch? Brandon Tate?
 
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bam15 said:
I bet you 99% of the league would rather have Clark, Harrison, and Wayne over the cast of characters that Brady initially had. Look who he is throwing it to now. Aaron Hernandez? Gostowski? Branch? Brandon Tate?
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Generally agree, but Harrison isn't a Playoff receiver. Wayne nd Clark are, but came into their own much later.

Am a Manning fan because he's a Vol, but would take Brady all day long over him.
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utvolpj said:
the receiver debate is useless since you never know what PM's would have done without him getting them the ball. He has also made some no-name guys look very good

and of course the post had nothing about defense but that's understandable since the Colts were routinely near the bottom and put a lot on Manning's shoulders
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I agree, a qb's best friend is a great defense and the fact that Brady has had the benefit of great defenses over the years negates the argument that Manning has had better receivers, these two facts cancel each other out IMO.

While Brady is a great qb it is obvious that at least some portion of his success is due to the system evidenced by the Pats success without Brady. Manning on the other hand is the system in Indy, without him the team is a perennial loser.

The Pats won a good portion of their championships on the backs of defense, Brady and special teams. With similar defense to what the Colts had the trophy case isn't nearly as full.
 
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I'm an orange glasses wearing-orange koolaid drinking homer, so I'll take Peyton.
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BigPapaVol said:
All defensive geniuses are de fact offensive geniuses and vice versa. Can't be one and not the other. Creativity on either side is a different animal, but often go hand in hand as well.
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That's debatable. You could easily argue that with the likes of Landry and Belichick, but that has more to do with their extreme attention to detail and involvement in every part of the organization. Regardless, as much as I admire BB, I'd take Tom Moore offensively.
 
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KB5252 said:
I agree, a qb's best friend is a great defense and the fact that Brady has had the benefit of great defenses over the years negates the argument that Manning has had better receivers, these two facts cancel each other out IMO.

While Brady is a great qb it is obvious that at least some portion of his success is due to the system evidenced by the Pats success without Brady. Manning on the other hand is the system in Indy, without him the team is a perennial loser.

The Pats won a good portion of their championships on the backs of defense, Brady and special teams. With similar defense to what the Colts had the trophy case isn't nearly as full.
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Pat defenses and OLine have always been better. Ability to run the ball has made everything about the Patriots better. Colts have to pass first to set up any part of their offense and defense. Poorly built team for my money and inconsistent. Patriots makeup has been conducive to playoff runs and dealig with better teams.
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