Pickett Opts Out of Peach Bowl

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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
If the politics area of this board and the voting of TN show me anything it's that the folks around here believe in personal choice for a vaccine and other things, but they can't make that leap for athletes to make money and decide when their career goals exceed their team goals.

Find a mirror, you guys, and think about how much you really value personal choices.
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Huh? Nobody is suggesting the government mandate players participate in bowl games. Lmao
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
The disrespect bothers me here. Everyone wants to be "personal choice, my body, my decision" until it's play football...... then "they're walking out on the team. It's selfish. They're quitters."

And granted, not you personally, but there are plenty here and you know you've seen it.
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DISRESPECT? I haven’t seen that angle from anyone in this discussion. Cost/benefit I don’t see the advantage in this specific case.
 
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butchna said:
DISRESPECT? I haven’t seen that angle from anyone in this discussion. Cost/benefit I don’t see the advantage in this specific case.
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Not this specific discussion but go look at the Taylor thread, there's plenty of: if they opt out, they're quitters. If they don't play, screw them they were never team guys.

There's plenty of it and surely you've seen it.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Not this specific discussion but go look at the Taylor thread, there's plenty of: if they opt out, they're quitters. If they don't play, screw them they were never team guys.

There's plenty of it and surely you've seen it.
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Initially there was back and forth....those flaming him were in the vast minority. After his injury was disclosed, only the nuts raised any fuss.
 
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butchna said:
Initially there was back and forth....those flaming him were in the vast minority. After his injury was disclosed, only the nuts raised any fuss.
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Honestly, you know there's an awful lot of sentiment here that treats playing for the team like being a Marine. Loyalty, selflessness....to the death.

You also seem reasonable enough to realize, especially now, that for lots of players (and most get disappointed) playing D1 ball is a step toward playing pro ball.

VFL takes a hit in that. A guy with "potential Sunday talent" needs to do what is best to get him to Sunday, as he sees it, whether that means transfer, get a big NIL deal, sit out a bowl, whatever.

It really is a business decision from HS on now and we need to respect guys making the decisions for themselves and their families and appreciate their work for the Vols while they're here.
 
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stolitonic said:
Tae has been nursing an injury for a while.

Even discounting that, big difference between a safety sitting out and a Heisman candidate QB.

Does not bode well for Mr Pickett.

Last QB I recall pulling this was Will Grier. Anybody heard anything from him lately? Yeah, me either
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Not going to hurt his draft stock at all. This is standard practice at this point. Unless you're playing for a national title, you sit out for a bowl game if you're in the top 3 rounds.
 
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AshG said:
Put it in the scholarship contract. You are either dress out for all games including the bowl game (if applicable), or you pay back the value of your scholarship for that semester. Injuries must go through standard team assessment.
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Nice idea, theoretically, unless the NCAA prohibits forcing players to forfeit money back if a player leaves. Someone here may know but I doubt the school can "claw back" an entire year, certainly, if a guy just missed one game. Even the pros only dock the game you miss (and perhaps fine them but they are employees who can be fined, not students.)

It's also very bad recruiting mojo for this era. For instance, the school COULD'VE pulled Maurer or Bailey's scholarship but I doubt they did.

Nice thought though.
 
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golfballs said:
Enjoy some of these early bowl games. Nobody opting out. Players who actually want to compete
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With TV rights generating the payouts for bowls, ridiculously high cost to attend a bowl game, star players not participating and the convenience of watching at home , no one should be surprised that bowl attendance is abysmal.There really is little reason to want to attend any bowl that’s not a playoff venue unless your kid is playing.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
Not going to hurt his draft stock at all. This is standard practice at this point. Unless you're playing for a national title, you sit out for a bowl game if you're in the top 3 rounds.
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This is going to be a case of we will have to agree to disagree.

I agree, if we are talking about a TE, DB, whatever.

Losing your QB-especially one who is deemed perhaps worthy enough to get drafted, pretty much dooms a teams chances to win.

QBs are by default team leaders and believe me, teams are watching.

I will go back to my earlier example of Will Grier. Thought he was going to go in the first, went in the third (I think?) and has barely been heard from since.

Yes, he sucks but that QB draft once you got past Kyler Murray has been bad. Like historically bad. I don't think any other QB went in the first. Gotta wonder if perhaps Grier had balled out in the bowl, maybe somebody would have taken a shot on him.
 
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stolitonic said:
This is going to be a case of we will have to agree to disagree.

I agree, if we are talking about a TE, DB, whatever.

Losing your QB-especially one who is deemed perhaps worthy enough to get drafted, pretty much dooms a teams chances to win.

QBs are by default team leaders and believe me, teams are watching.

I will go back to my earlier example of Will Grier. Thought he was going to go in the first, went in the third (I think?) and has barely been heard from since.

Yes, he sucks but that QB draft once you got past Kyler Murray has been bad. Like historically bad. I don't think any other QB went in the first. Gotta wonder if perhaps Grier had balled out in the bowl, maybe somebody would have taken a shot on him.
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Grier explains why he skipped bowl game
 
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stolitonic said:
True. It is his call. Just pointing out that this has not historically worked out for QBs.

The QB class for the draft next April is horrible though.

I'm not so sure there is a QB who in a normal cycle would go in the first round. There is simply nobody who stands out and there are major flies on most of the front runners.
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stolitonic said:
This is going to be a case of we will have to agree to disagree.
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It's not "agree to disagree". It's the new reality. It makes no financial sense to risk millions of dollars to play in a meaningless bowl. Fans may not like it, but smart players are going to do this. It was taboo a few years ago, but now it's extremely common. Not going to reverse any time soon.

I wouldn't risk a $10+ million paycheck just to play in the San Diego County Credit Union Holiday Bowl. And neither would the vast majority of people on this board, including the ones complaining.
 
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Pickett should play but it's his call and his life. This could be Pitt's best season since...my whole life time?
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
It's not "agree to disagree". It's the new reality. It makes no financial sense to risk millions of dollars to play in a meaningless bowl. Fans may not like it, but smart players are going to do this. It was taboo a few years ago, but now it's extremely common. Not going to reverse any time soon.

I wouldn't risk a $10+ million paycheck just to play in the San Diego County Credit Union Holiday Bowl. And neither would the vast majority of people on this board, including the ones complaining.
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IDK, man. Maybe he should've quit a few weeks ago if this is the case. He's a QB. It's extremely unlikely that he would have an injury that threatens his draft stock.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
It's not "agree to disagree". It's the new reality. It makes no financial sense to risk millions of dollars to play in a meaningless bowl. Fans may not like it, but smart players are going to do this. It was taboo a few years ago, but now it's extremely common. Not going to reverse any time soon.

I wouldn't risk a $10+ million paycheck just to play in the San Diego County Credit Union Holiday Bowl. And neither would the vast majority of people on this board, including the ones complaining.
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Once again, even though you object I will have to remain with my agree to disagree stance.

I have changed my view over time on a star TE, LB, whatever sitting out a bowl game if they are given a top 3 round grade. Quite frankly, a star LB certainly impacts the game, but teams routinely win with "their guy" injured or whatever.

When you start talking QBs though? It's an entirely different set of variables. First thing, one of the things NFL teams are going to look for is leadership. A QB leaving his mates hanging is a big deal. This would play a factor on borderline calls. Do we go with guy A or guy B? One goes in the first and one probably falls to the third. Both grade out equally on paper and in interviews. You are probably going to choose the guy who saw things through to the end, correct?

I will concede to your argument on some cases though. When a player is the consensus #1 such as Trevor Lawrence last year. Yes, Clemson was in the playoffs last year-guess what, those semifinals were still legacy bowl games. Nothing he did after the regular season was going to impact his draft spot. Unless he did something really weird and run out to midfield before a playoff game and take a dump on the 50 yard line.

I guess in the end, there has to be a happy medium put there somewhere. Whether that is the bowls supplying insurance for draft eligible players or some other solution, I do not know. What I do know is that the bowls mean big money for the Mouse and history has taught us to never bet against Mickey and his boys.
 
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If I put myself in their shoes, I would do what is best for my future. What would you say if they got hurt and lost the opportunity for millions of dollars. Would you take that chance?
 
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