Pipe Bombs planted, part of Jan6 obvious setup.

You've seen the videos and pictures, right?
which ones?

I have seen dozens of videos and read plenty of quotes from politicians calling for protesters to get violent. Only seems to be a problem when Trump does it.

Or you mean the ones of the traitorous insurrectionists taking a guided tour and staying between the velvet rope guides? This is the part that never gets reconciled, yes there were some violent people who have rightly been charged, but then you watch the video and a majority are peaceful and just taking selfies in public areas as the guards stand down. but one side doesn't want to admit to that distinction, yall treat every single who stepped into the Capitol like they were shooting Congressional baseball players. and that simply wasn't the case.
 
So, the Feds anticipated that the next day a crowd would go and attack the WH and so they fake planted bombs around town to go along with the program?

The effort to justify or excuse 1/6, including absurd and outlandish conspiracy theories, has truly sunk to the same pathetic level of Alex Jones/Sandyhook Elementary.
setting up innocent Americans with terroristic hoaxes is in their play book.

"In a scathing ruling, McMahon wrote that the FBI invented the conspiracy and identified the targets. Cromitie and his co-defendants, she wrote, “would not have, and could not have, devised on their own a crime involving missiles that would have warranted the 25-year sentence the court was forced to impose."

you act like there isn't actually a history of the government framing its citizens, or doing incredibly bad things all by themselves.
 
its not like they haven't helped plot the attempted kidnapping of a governor before. or worked to create terrorist situations in order to frame innocent Americans before.
Or would have killed Americans in Miami and on cruise ships to get support for invading Cuba.

 
its not like they haven't helped plot the attempted kidnapping of a governor before. or worked to create terrorist situations in order to frame innocent Americans before.
The Michigan setup is the most blatant in recent memory, and we're supposed to pretend that's not a common practice for the FBI?
 
which ones?

I have seen dozens of videos and read plenty of quotes from politicians calling for protesters to get violent. Only seems to be a problem when Trump does it.

Or you mean the ones of the traitorous insurrectionists taking a guided tour and staying between the velvet rope guides? This is the part that never gets reconciled, yes there were some violent people who have rightly been charged, but then you watch the video and a majority are peaceful and just taking selfies in public areas as the guards stand down. but one side doesn't want to admit to that distinction, yall treat every single who stepped into the Capitol like they were shooting Congressional baseball players. and that simply wasn't the case.


I'm embarrassed for you that you'd try to whitewash J6 as nothing more than a Karen asking to see the manager in the Capitol gift shop.

 
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its not like they haven't helped plot the attempted kidnapping of a governor before. or worked to create terrorist situations in order to frame innocent Americans before.


Really? Got evidence for this--and an addled MAGA brain full of crazy imaginings doesn't count as evidence.
 
Or would have killed Americans in Miami and on cruise ships to get support for invading Cuba.


You Sir are on 🔥 this morning. Good posts Louder. I had my daughter watch a documentary about Ruby Ridge with me because of our discussions. She was amazed. Bout to take her through Waco as well. Won't have my kids foolish enough to trust the government. Like me, and you, she believes in a small federal government and that states should handle the vast majority of business. Sadly that isnt what we have.
 
I'm embarrassed for you that you'd try to whitewash J6 as nothing more than a Karen asking to see the manager in the Capitol gift shop.


your inverted bob hair cut must be pretty extreme if you speaking with the manager usually involves criminal charges. I have said multiple times the violent should be charged, I have always fully stated that criminal charges were appropriate for SOME of the people involved in 1/6. but that's the distinction you don't like.

you are being equally embarrassing trying to act like 1/6 was some combination of 9/11 and the Attack on Pearl Harbor worthy of the death penalty, which any combination of coup, insurrection, rebellion, or traitor-ship would require.
 
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your inverted bob hair cut must be pretty extreme if you speaking with the manager usually involves criminal charges. I have said multiple times the violent should be charged, I have always fully stated that criminal charges were appropriate for SOME of the people involved in 1/6. but that's the distinction you don't like.

you are being equally embarrassing trying to act like 1/6 was some combination of 9/11 and the Attack on Pearl Harbor worthy of the death penalty, which any combination of coup, insurrection, rebellion, or traitor-ship would require.

Horsesh*t, there are many in here who've clutched their pearls over the overcharging and over sentencing of those that were violent.

Your 9/11 hyperbole notwithstanding, no one is suggesting that the innocent be held to the same account as the rioters (of which there were many) - but I disagree that it didn't meet the definition of insurrection and would ask that you read the definition of it and apply it objectively before scoffing and turning up your nose at the insinuation.
 
Really? Got evidence for this--and an addled MAGA brain full of crazy imaginings doesn't count as evidence.
already linked the FBI's terrorism entrapment in this thread:
"In a scathing ruling, McMahon wrote that the FBI invented the conspiracy and identified the targets. Cromitie and his co-defendants, she wrote, “would not have, and could not have, devised on their own a crime involving missiles that would have warranted the 25-year sentence the court was forced to impose."
thats a federal judge by the way, appointed by Bill Clinton.

the kidnapping case:
"Defense attorneys slammed the FBI for paying undercover FBI informant Dan Chappel around $54,000 in cash, including $6,000 for expenses over the seven months he infiltrated the Wolverine Watchmen before six members were arrested in October 2020."

all four men involved in that case were acquitted. Two were found not guilty, and then a hung jury got the two "ring leaders" released as well.
 
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Horsesh*t, there are many in here who've clutched their pearls over the overcharging and over sentencing of those that were violent.

Your 9/11 hyperbole notwithstanding, no one is suggesting that the innocent be held to the same account as the rioters (of which there were many) - but I disagree that it didn't meet the definition of insurrection and would ask that you read the definition of it and apply it objectively before scoffing and turning up your nose at the insinuation.
the "worst" charge I can find that was filed in response to 1/6 was twenty charges of seditious conspiracy. So you are going to need to produce these cases of insurrection because maybe the federal government doesn't know what it means either.

Meanwhile "Most defendants face "two class-B misdemeanor counts for demonstrating in the Capitol and disorderly conduct, and two class-A misdemeanor counts for being in a restricted building and disruptive activity", according to BuzzFeed, and therefore most plea deals address those misdemeanors."

sorry but a couple misdemeanors per individual hardly require "whitewashing" or most of America freaking out over.
 
the "worst" charge I can find that was filed in response to 1/6 was twenty charges of seditious conspiracy. So you are going to need to produce these cases of insurrection because maybe the federal government doesn't know what it means either.

Meanwhile "Most defendants face "two class-B misdemeanor counts for demonstrating in the Capitol and disorderly conduct, and two class-A misdemeanor counts for being in a restricted building and disruptive activity", according to BuzzFeed, and therefore most plea deals address those misdemeanors."

sorry but a couple misdemeanors per individual hardly require "whitewashing" or most of America freaking out over.

Are you suggesting that more charges with harsher sentences would satisfy your definition of insurrection? Not enough arrests and convictions? How many would you require for a group to have climbed that fence and gone from 'gift shop disagreement' to 'violence against the government?'


Arrests made: More than 1,069 defendants have been charged in nearly all 50 states and the District of Columbia. (This includes those charged in both District and Superior Court).

Criminal charges:
  • Approximately 350 defendants have been charged with assaulting, resisting, or impeding officers or employees, including approximately 110 individuals who have been charged with using a deadly or dangerous weapon or causing serious bodily injury to an officer.
    • Approximately 140 police officers were assaulted Jan. 6 at the Capitol, including about 80 from the U.S. Capitol Police and about 60 from the Metropolitan Police Department.
  • Approximately 11 individuals have been arrested on a series of charges that relate to assaulting a member of the media, or destroying their equipment, on Jan. 6.
  • Approximately 935 defendants have been charged with entering or remaining in a restricted federal building or grounds. Of those, 103 defendants have been charged with entering a restricted area with a dangerous or deadly weapon.
  • Approximately 61 defendants have been charged with destruction of government property, and approximately 49 defendants have been charged with theft of government property.
  • More than 310 defendants have been charged with corruptly obstructing, influencing, or impeding an official proceeding, or attempting to do so.
  • Approximately 55 defendants have been charged with conspiracy, either: (a) conspiracy to obstruct a congressional proceeding, (b) conspiracy to obstruct law enforcement during a civil disorder, (c) conspiracy to injure an officer, or (d) some combination of the three.
Pleas:
  • Approximately 594 individuals have pleaded guilty to a variety of federal charges, many of whom faced or will face incarceration at sentencing.
    • Approximately 160 have pleaded guilty to felonies. Another 434 have pleaded guilty to misdemeanors.
    • A total of 68 of those who have pleaded guilty to felonies have pleaded to federal charges of assaulting law enforcement officers. Approximately 36 additional defendants have pleaded guilty to feloniously obstructing, impeding, or interfering with a law enforcement officer during a civil disorder. Of these 104 defendants, 76 have now been sentenced to prison terms of up to 150 months.
    • Four of those who have pleaded guilty to felonies have pleaded guilty to the federal charge of seditious conspiracy.
Trials:
  • 98 individuals have been found guilty at contested trials, including 3 who were found guilty in the Superior Court of the District of Columbia. Another 24 individuals have been convicted following an agreed-upon set of facts. 51 of these 122 defendants were found guilty of assaulting, resisting, or impeding officers and/or obstructing officers during a civil disorder, which are felony offenses, including one who has been sentenced to more than 14 years in prison.
Sentencings:
  • Approximately 561 federal defendants have had their cases adjudicated and received sentences for their criminal activity on Jan. 6. Approximately 335 have been sentenced to periods of incarceration. Approximately 119 defendants have been sentenced to a period of home detention, including approximately 19 who also were sentenced to a period of incarceration.
 
Are you suggesting that more charges with harsher sentences would satisfy your definition of insurrection? Not enough arrests and convictions? How many would you require for a group to have climbed that fence and gone from 'gift shop disagreement' to 'violence against the government?'


Arrests made: More than 1,069 defendants have been charged in nearly all 50 states and the District of Columbia. (This includes those charged in both District and Superior Court).

Criminal charges:
  • Approximately 350 defendants have been charged with assaulting, resisting, or impeding officers or employees, including approximately 110 individuals who have been charged with using a deadly or dangerous weapon or causing serious bodily injury to an officer.
    • Approximately 140 police officers were assaulted Jan. 6 at the Capitol, including about 80 from the U.S. Capitol Police and about 60 from the Metropolitan Police Department.
  • Approximately 11 individuals have been arrested on a series of charges that relate to assaulting a member of the media, or destroying their equipment, on Jan. 6.
  • Approximately 935 defendants have been charged with entering or remaining in a restricted federal building or grounds. Of those, 103 defendants have been charged with entering a restricted area with a dangerous or deadly weapon.
  • Approximately 61 defendants have been charged with destruction of government property, and approximately 49 defendants have been charged with theft of government property.
  • More than 310 defendants have been charged with corruptly obstructing, influencing, or impeding an official proceeding, or attempting to do so.
  • Approximately 55 defendants have been charged with conspiracy, either: (a) conspiracy to obstruct a congressional proceeding, (b) conspiracy to obstruct law enforcement during a civil disorder, (c) conspiracy to injure an officer, or (d) some combination of the three.
Pleas:
  • Approximately 594 individuals have pleaded guilty to a variety of federal charges, many of whom faced or will face incarceration at sentencing.
    • Approximately 160 have pleaded guilty to felonies. Another 434 have pleaded guilty to misdemeanors.
    • A total of 68 of those who have pleaded guilty to felonies have pleaded to federal charges of assaulting law enforcement officers. Approximately 36 additional defendants have pleaded guilty to feloniously obstructing, impeding, or interfering with a law enforcement officer during a civil disorder. Of these 104 defendants, 76 have now been sentenced to prison terms of up to 150 months.
    • Four of those who have pleaded guilty to felonies have pleaded guilty to the federal charge of seditious conspiracy.
Trials:
  • 98 individuals have been found guilty at contested trials, including 3 who were found guilty in the Superior Court of the District of Columbia. Another 24 individuals have been convicted following an agreed-upon set of facts. 51 of these 122 defendants were found guilty of assaulting, resisting, or impeding officers and/or obstructing officers during a civil disorder, which are felony offenses, including one who has been sentenced to more than 14 years in prison.
Sentencings:
  • Approximately 561 federal defendants have had their cases adjudicated and received sentences for their criminal activity on Jan. 6. Approximately 335 have been sentenced to periods of incarceration. Approximately 119 defendants have been sentenced to a period of home detention, including approximately 19 who also were sentenced to a period of incarceration.
I still don't see insurrection, or the resulting laws, being used in any of those cases above.

you were the one asking for the definition of insurrection. I was pointing out that even "your" side doesn't think it applies here. USCS 2383 has yet to be used, or any similar law. https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml...es, sets on foot,holding any office under the

which is funny because under your extreme black/white interpretation there could be plenty of people guilty of it. but we all KNOW that all of the hyperbole about insurrection, rebellion, and traitors were just that, hyperbole. now you are getting all pissy because your own research isn't turning up the results YOU were lied too about.

the largest group by far was guilty of essentially loitering. again explaining how misdemeanors are exactly that is not "whitewashing".
 
which ones?

I have seen dozens of videos and read plenty of quotes from politicians calling for protesters to get violent. Only seems to be a problem when Trump does it.

Or you mean the ones of the traitorous insurrectionists taking a guided tour and staying between the velvet rope guides? This is the part that never gets reconciled, yes there were some violent people who have rightly been charged, but then you watch the video and a majority are peaceful and just taking selfies in public areas as the guards stand down. but one side doesn't want to admit to that distinction, yall treat every single who stepped into the Capitol like they were shooting Congressional baseball players. and that simply wasn't the case.
The selfies and people just walking around the Capitol didn't happen until AFTER they had overran the CP. The CP essentially just gave up because they were overran by idiots beating them over the head with whatever they could find.
 
I still don't see insurrection, or the resulting laws, being used in any of those cases above.

you were the one asking for the definition of insurrection. I was pointing out that even "your" side doesn't think it applies here. USCS 2383 has yet to be used, or any similar law. https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-1999-title18-section2383&num=0&edition=1999#:~:text=Whoever incites, sets on foot,holding any office under the

which is funny because under your extreme black/white interpretation there could be plenty of people guilty of it. but we all KNOW that all of the hyperbole about insurrection, rebellion, and traitors were just that, hyperbole. now you are getting all pissy because your own research isn't turning up the results YOU were lied too about.

the largest group by far was guilty of essentially loitering. again explaining how misdemeanors are exactly that is not "whitewashing".

I watched the events of the day unfold and I watched republicans trot out in front of the camera and call it an insurrection only to change their tune as the political winds they feared never materialize. I'm not sure what side you think I'm on, aside from that of being a rational person that witnessed riots occur, with violence with the intent of stopping Pence from certifying an election. Your suggestions that it was just a few misdemeanors by a handful of ne're-do-wells and that it was mainly a picknick is simply a whitewashing when you fail to mention the 150+ felonies. I wasn't lied to about anything - I witnessed it.

Again, what is your threshold of violence committed to stop a federal function? 161 felony assaults? 200?
 
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I watched the events of the day unfold and I watched republicans trot out in front of the camera and call it an insurrection only to change their tune as the political winds they feared never materialize. I'm not sure what side you think I'm on, aside from that of being a rational person that witnessed riots occur, with violence with the intent of stopping Pence from certifying an election. Your suggestions that it was just a few misdemeanors by a handful of ne're-do-wells and that it was mainly a picknick is simply a whitewashing when you fail to mention the 150+ felonies. I wasn't lied to about anything - I witnessed it.

Again, what is your threshold of violence committed to stop a federal function? 161 felony assaults? 200?
And when was the last time you heard of 140 cops sustaining injuries during a tourist visit!
 
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I'm sure you believe 5 cops were killed that day too. lmao
If you want to accuse the cops of lying about their injuries, that's on you.



 
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Did I say five cops died that day? No.
Are you going to call the cops liars or man-up and say you were wrong?
There are a few law enforcement folks on this forum, I'm sure they would like to hear your answer.
 
Did I say five cops died that day? No.
Are you going to call the cops liars or man-up and say you were wrong?
There are a few law enforcement folks on this forum, I'm sure they would like to hear your answer.

Wouldn't have been enough - need at least 6+ for it to be "real" insurrection.
 

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