Pipe Bombs planted, part of Jan6 obvious setup.

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everyone and their brother knows that if Trump were to miraculously win, the DC street protests will be violent. just good to know shootings are authorized now and we have everyone on record.
 
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Septic said:
People trying to turn the J6 shenanigans back on to the government and or liberal 'agents' are a special kind of stupid. Sorry, not sorry.

I get that it's tough for the MAGA goofs to reconcile that their people would be capable of acting like traitorous douche-nozzles, but the video doesn't lie.

These sorts of youtube videos are comical and just goofy propaganda designed to help the MAGA crowd feel better about the events that transpired; attempting to give them some sort of moral or ethical 'out' in their own heads where they can still feel good about their choice in following Donny the dipsh*t.
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Are you one of those that think 9/11 was an inside job?
 
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Orangeburst said:
everyone and their brother knows that if Trump were to miraculously win, the DC street protests will be violent. just good to know shootings are authorized now and we have everyone on record.
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If they storm the Capitol, they should get the Ashley Babbit treatment.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
The selfies and people just walking around the Capitol didn't happen until AFTER they had overran the CP. The CP essentially just gave up because they were overran by idiots beating them over the head with whatever they could find.
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yeah in a real coup they would be dead, or at the very least ran out of the building. and I would still classify those hitting them as criminals and not just as idiots.

To take over a government at the very least you need to fully occupy their main building. which would require the forceful removal of all the government's employees, unless they were hostages. that was never even attempted.

they were protesting, the violent ones illegally. I have a hard time seeing anyone who wandered in after the initial push and saw the CP shepherding people around and decided to take a few selfies in the various spaces as hardened criminals intent on overthrowing the US government made bloodthirsty for the destruction of the "machine" by the vile words of Trump and willing to desecrate the hallowed chambers of congress the very thing holding our nation together.

these people aren't totally innocent as Trump and Maga wants them to be, and they also aren't guilty of treason, insurrection, or rebellion as Biden and the MSM want them to be.
 
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Septic said:
I watched the events of the day unfold and I watched republicans trot out in front of the camera and call it an insurrection only to change their tune as the political winds they feared never materialize. I'm not sure what side you think I'm on, aside from that of being a rational person that witnessed riots occur, with violence with the intent of stopping Pence from certifying an election. Your suggestions that it was just a few misdemeanors by a handful of ne're-do-wells and that it was mainly a picknick is simply a whitewashing when you fail to mention the 150+ felonies. I wasn't lied to about anything - I witnessed it.

Again, what is your threshold of violence committed to stop a federal function? 161 felony assaults? 200?
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If you are using Republican politicians, or really any politician, to justify YOUR argument you are clearly out of arguments.

161 felonies out of 1600+ criminal cases. 10% is hardly meeting my threshold of critical mass, and in that relation, yes 161 felonies is a few.

and I have pointed it out multiple times that the violent should get what is coming to them. I haven't ignored them, I have acknowledged their wrongs and left them to their fates. I am just not willing to hold them to the level of traitors which requires the death penalty.

you have had to walk back your own statements when presented with the reality of your accusations and what they mean with the death penalty. I have been able to maintain my position and only had it bolstered by the facts you have presented.

The violent should be charged, the 900 (more than 50% of all cases) or so that were found guilty of being somewhere they shouldn't be and refusing to leave, yeah those people I am willing argue aren't as bad as you want them to be. Why are you calling out 161 cases, but ignoring 900?

how did the "coup" end? did the CP and national guard have to storm the barricaded halls of Congress? Fight room by room to purge the stain? Pull down the mass of rioters as they physically propped up Donald Trump's statue in the halls of Congress? Did they have to go into a spy thriller mode and hack the secret code the rioters used that would have rewritten the electoral votes? Did they have dramatically take out the official Congressional Printer in the last seconds before it could finish printing Trump's life time ascension to presidency? Did the CP disrupt the mock session held by the rioters, who were in the midst claiming the rights of the masses to take over the government while holding Pence at gun point and announce their own president or government? Did the CP stop a press conference over the uber-official press lines to announce presidency? Did the CP have to sacrifice the very first American flag to smother the fire that was signaling Orange smoke before a new pope president could be declared? Seriously what did you see that would have resulted in the formation of a new government or the dictatorial-ship of Trump?

In your world the rioters won. they stormed the Capitol. and yet somehow they didn't stop Pence. they didn't even engage with Pence. they didn't attempt ANYTHING that would have disqualified anything.

Because we must have watched two very different things, I remember the vast majority of the rioters just dispersing on their own while nothing went on? most of them were protesting, and yes protesting does/can cause delays in official government matters, that's been the whole point of protests the entire time of their existence, and it has never once been used before to claim people are traitors, lead an insurrection, or any of the other charges levied against them.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Dude. Anybody has to admit that it's insurrection at least in a broad sense. Were they not revolting? Was it not violent? What is the missing component here?

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the actual criminal charges that would make it insurrection.

The people in charge, the people making these decisions, who have at least publicly stated they are fully going after these people have yet to level charges that would equal insurrection.

I asked septic and he had to back down, now lets see about you. Do you think they are guilty of insurrection and should be treated as traitors and at least face the possibility of the death penalty? I have yet to talk to a single person who thinks those people should be facing the death penalty. unless you can support the outcomes of your own rhetoric you shouldn't come to me and tell me I need to change.
 
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Septic said:
Dead people and more felonies. They will let you know if it meets thier standard of enough after the dust settles and they can guage which way the political winds are blowing. Violence is only violence when it's 9/11 or Pearl Harbor.
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I would settle for it being somewhat worse than the summer of peaceful protests to call it insurrection. seems fair to compare it to something that happened with 6 months of each other.
 
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LouderVol said:
If you are using Republican politicians, or really any politician, to justify YOUR argument you are clearly out of arguments.

161 felonies out of 1600+ criminal cases. 10% is hardly meeting my threshold of critical mass, and in that relation, yes 161 felonies is a few.

and I have pointed it out multiple times that the violent should get what is coming to them. I haven't ignored them, I have acknowledged their wrongs and left them to their fates. I am just not willing to hold them to the level of traitors which requires the death penalty.

you have had to walk back your own statements when presented with the reality of your accusations and what they mean with the death penalty. I have been able to maintain my position and only had it bolstered by the facts you have presented.

The violent should be charged, the 900 (more than 50% of all cases) or so that were found guilty of being somewhere they shouldn't be and refusing to leave, yeah those people I am willing argue aren't as bad as you want them to be. Why are you calling out 161 cases, but ignoring 900?

how did the "coup" end? did the CP and national guard have to storm the barricaded halls of Congress? Fight room by room to purge the stain? Pull down the mass of rioters as they physically propped up Donald Trump's statue in the halls of Congress? Did they have to go into a spy thriller mode and hack the secret code the rioters used that would have rewritten the electoral votes? Did they have dramatically take out the official Congressional Printer in the last seconds before it could finish printing Trump's life time ascension to presidency? Did the CP disrupt the mock session held by the rioters, who were in the midst claiming the rights of the masses to take over the government while holding Pence at gun point and announce their own president or government? Did the CP stop a press conference over the uber-official press lines to announce presidency? Did the CP have to sacrifice the very first American flag to smother the fire that was signaling Orange smoke before a new pope president could be declared? Seriously what did you see that would have resulted in the formation of a new government or the dictatorial-ship of Trump?

In your world the rioters won. they stormed the Capitol. and yet somehow they didn't stop Pence. they didn't even engage with Pence. they didn't attempt ANYTHING that would have disqualified anything.

Because we must have watched two very different things, I remember the vast majority of the rioters just dispersing on their own while nothing went on? most of them were protesting, and yes protesting does/can cause delays in official government matters, that's been the whole point of protests the entire time of their existence, and it has never once been used before to claim people are traitors, lead an insurrection, or any of the other charges levied against them.
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What is bewildering is how you can admit that there was violence but then about face because the violence doesn't apply due to many not being violent. You keep ducking where your threshold resides, not that it's even needed. More death? More felonies? More mace? More chants for Pence to be hanged? More guys in helmets and body armor? More damage to the building? More looting? More Capitol cops that need beating?

The definition of insurrection doesn't define a threshold that must be met or one that @LouderVol must accept. Insurrection is not defined by the insurrectionists being successful, or using firearms, or ratio of lurkers to rioters, or misdemeanors versus felonies.

Was violence used by a group of people in an attempt to stop Congress from certifying an election? If the answer is yes (and it is, objectively) then no other caveats are needed, you can stop attempting to qualify it.

It's ironic that you state that they didn't engage with Pence as some kind of unassailable bullet point. Was it because he was whisked away to the bowels of Capitol building for safety by the secret service?

www.cbsnews.com

Pence's Secret Service detail at Capitol on Jan. 6 were "starting to fear for their own lives" as violence escalated, witness tells select committee

"There were calls to say goodbye to family members," a national security professional who worked at the White House told the House select committee.
www.cbsnews.com www.cbsnews.com

You're whitewashing the events of that day, you don't have to accept that you're doing it - but you are.
 
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LouderVol said:
the actual criminal charges that would make it insurrection.

The people in charge, the people making these decisions, who have at least publicly stated they are fully going after these people have yet to level charges that would equal insurrection.

I asked septic and he had to back down, now lets see about you. Do you think they are guilty of insurrection and should be treated as traitors and at least face the possibility of the death penalty? I have yet to talk to a single person who thinks those people should be facing the death penalty. unless you can support the outcomes of your own rhetoric you shouldn't come to me and tell me I need to change.
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LOL, what? I didn't back down - I absolutely think they ought to make examples out every single one of the people that engaged in violence that day.

Big fan of FAFO.
 
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Septic said:
LOL, what? I didn't back down - I absolutely think they ought to make examples out every single one of the people that engaged in violence that day.

Big fan of FAFO.
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Is Jacob Chansley worthy of a statue in DC?
 
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Vol737 said:
The whole “insurrection” narrative is just hysterics. A real insurrection would have meant few Capitol police or representatives would have survived that day. It was stupid, though.
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It was stupid, thats about it. The insurrection label is hands down one of the biggest knee jerk vagina moves from the US federal government that I've seen in my lifetime. An unarmed insurrection at an almost empty capital building? Yeah..this aint Rwanda where thats all it takes to seize control.

But like mentioned above, trespass on federal property and reap the consequences. We had "an incident" at my facility, underage drunk illegals, the felonies they are getting hit with is impressive.
 
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davethevol said:
www.yahoo.com

A Major Twist of Fate: Judge Makes Surprise Decision in FBI-orchestrated Terrorist Conspiracy

The last incarcerated member of the of the Newburgh Four—the four men who were accused and wrongly convicted of terrorism because of an FBI informant’s alleged lie—is about to be released after serving 15 years in prison. Yes, 15 years of a 25-year minimum sentence.
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Because our government never invents crimes to set up citizens……..
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yet nobody will go to jail
 
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The 3 letter agencies are completely out of control in this country.

All should be smaller and several should be outright defunded and disbanded immediately such as the DHS, NSA (more employees than FBI and CIA combined...yet in 46 years i have never, ever once read a single article or seen a single news segment about even 1 thing the NSA has accomplished....except Snowden leaks about illegally spying on US citizens. Nothing. Ever. Accomplished) and probably the TSA as well...bet a private contractor could do it better for half the cost. Then we can talk about the EPA...the IRS....
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
The 3 letter agencies are completely out of control in this country.

All should be smaller and several should be outright defunded and disbanded immediately such as the DHS, NSA (more employees than FBI and CIA combined...yet in 46 years i have never, ever once read a single article or seen a single news segment about even 1 thing the NSA has accomplished....except Snowden leaks about illegally spying on US citizens. Nothing. Ever. Accomplished) and probably the TSA as well...bet a private contractor could do it better for half the cost. Then we can talk about the EPA...the IRS....
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Social Media wasn't available 30-40 years ago. Had it been available, we would have seen posts like yours as much back then. Especially like your first comment. The same goes from the late 50s - through the 60s.
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
Social Media wasn't available 30-40 years ago. Had it been available, we would have seen posts like yours as much back then. Especially like your first comment. The same goes from the late 50s - through the 60s.
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Marcus sounds like he's about a 3¢ USPS stamp increase from moving to rural Idaho, getting off the grid and starting a "militia."
 
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