Plain and simple... Peterman needs to start

#26
#26
OK well if you think one freshman quarterback is going to impact this team then you have to be the biggest idiot poster on this site. Our problem is the entirety of the team---it's a complete lack of talent on the entire roster. Throw the freshmen in you troglodyte--still ain't going to mean **** on the win total.

Lack of talent on the entire roster isn't what kept Worley from hitting wide open receivers.. That was Worley's fault. You're just wrong. Freshmen can come in and make a difference. It happens all the time.

Now, if your requirement is that we be able to beat Oregon or Bama and the like then no, just changing the qb isn't going to do that. But I don't think anybody is thinking it will.
 
#27
#27
A freshman quarterback is not going to change the team or the win total ; even if we have the second coming of Johnny Football on the team.

This is just ignorant. A&M would absolutely suck if not for Johnny. Their defense can't stop anyone. He almost single handedly puts points on the board and also did so as a freshman.

If you really think A&M would have beaten Alabama last year or even competed against them this year (which is basically what you argue when you say a freshman won't change the win column) without Johnny then you can't be helped. No use in arguing.
 
#28
#28
I am against starting either freshman this year. Coach Jones has said they are not mature enough to start. Stuff like not forcing balls into well covered space and game management. Peterman on the other hand ,I say if Worley does not impress by half-time Sat. Put him in and give him a shot. If for anything else it might put a little more fire under Worley to start doing more work through the week on his accuracy.
 
#29
#29
What leads you to believe this? What happened when Tyler Bray took over for Simms? Freshman quarterbacks make an impact every week in college football. This is one of the most idiotic posts I've ever read on this site.

Wow. That is quite a statement.
 
#30
#30
And you know this how?....I mean after seeing only Peterman play of the 3 how do you know the other 2 have wheels?...Dobbs doesn't for sure, I've seen his tape...He is a drop back passer style of qb...Peterman hasn't shown me any wheels either for that matter so where do you get this assumption?

Maybe I've seen different film of Dobbs than you have. What I have seen, shows that he is very capable running, in fact he ran for 434 yards and 10 TDs last year. Peterman was recruited by CBJ to Cincinnati so obviously he can or CBJ wouldn't have recruited him.
 
#31
#31
I suggest let big Dan Qtb against the gators . Line up 3 backs in the backfield and run end sweeps . Bulldozer football. Guarantee you they would get 5 To 10 yds every play. That would be fun to watch those gatits trying to game table his arse. Better plan that we have now in place. Worley looks and acts like a high school qtb.
 
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Man, I love the posters who toss up the things like:

"Man, Peterman looked way more awesome than Worley!"

"His arm strength is looking far better!"

"Worley sucks!"

While ignoring the fact some of the times he's [Worley] has actually connected with receivers they've dropped the ball. Or the best quotes "Peterman came out looking hot!" When in reality he's come out, tossed the ball 12 times this year, connected with six for a whopping 40 yards.

Impressive...said in my best Darth Vader voice.

I don't know if Peterman or any of the RS Frosh guys are the answer. In the future, probably so. But in case none of you computer quarterbacks have seen, CBJ isn't running a huge pass attack offense. He consistently emphasizes the run. Now, I'm pretty sure Peterman can stand in the backfield and hand the ball to Neal or Lane just as well as Worley or the other Freshmen, so there is that.

But please stop saying "Peterman came out looking like Peyton reincarnated!" when in reality his stats are not that impressive. Had he come out yesterday tossing the ball around like Joe Montana, I'd be singing a different story right now. But he has not. And if he starts, he will make rookie mistakes as a brand new starter...wait a minute...rookie mistakes as a first year starter?

Kind of like another first year starter we happen to have starting like now. Oh, man, I went and did it. Yeah, we have a rookie QB in this year. With a bunch of first year starters at receivers. So combine the two and you're going to get some rough plays. So if you're going to sit there and talk about how bad Worley is, best remember there have been some pretty catchable balls tossed that receivers have dropped as well. Spread the blame around a little why don't you?

Worley has had an uphill battle since last year with much of our fan base since we are all excited over our highly talented recruiting class we got in Dobbs, Peterman and Ferguson. They had awesome high school careers and were all rated three or four stars...wait a second. Wasn't Worley rated a three star and had impressive stats? Yeah, there is that. I'll leave that alone.

He had a rough day yesterday. But even if he had thrown for 300 yards and rushed for another 100, it still wouldn't have changed the fact we were going to lose that game. "Oh, the score would look better at the end!" Yeah, the deck chairs on the Titanic would have looked nice pointing towards the bridge instead of away. I'm not saying he's our best choice, but the coaches picked him as the starter for a reason. But going into an important game like Florida you don't change your horse in mid stream unless you are certain your back up is going to get the job done. And nothing Peterman has done so far indicates he can do better than Worley.

So leave the kid alone for crying out loud. If he comes out and throws 400 yards against Florida, the kid will be a hero. If he can't get the job done, let the coach decide if he's not capable and needs to come out.
 
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#34
#34
I'm sure it's a smoke screen CBJ has not even opened his play book and Dobbs is gonna break out like johnny football next week. BOOM mark it down you heard it here first......


I kid I kid

We have no QB bottom line out offense looks high school at best
 
#35
#35
I love it how everyone wants to sling mud and insults. I'll just say this: I love UT football and its extremely hard to watch the program go through this....AGAIN. However I think jumping the gun and making changes for the sake of making changes is premature. I find it hard to believe that CBJ is going to sacrifice the development of either of the freshmen over 1 horrific loss to a superior team. I'll just toss one scenario at you: Worley was put in by Dooley before he was ready---look how that turned out.
 
#36
#36
The schedule got easier. There wasn't a single game Bray won in 2010 that Simms would not have.

Yeah, people seem to forget that. They also forget all the turnovers Bray had, including three to end the game against UGA. His final stats were 58.2% completions and 28 interceptions in 28 games. He never broke 60% completion percentage in his career while Worley is completing 58.7% (61.4% on this year) with only 6 interceptions in 12 games.
 
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#37
Yeah, people seem to forget that. They also forget all the turnovers Bray had, including three to end the game against UGA. His final stats were 58.2% completions and 28 interceptions in 28 games. He never broke 60% completion percentage in his career while Worley is completing 58.7% (61.4% on this year) with only 6 interceptions in 12 games.

Stats don't lie.. Worley is better than Bray.
 
#39
#39
Yeah, people seem to forget that. They also forget all the turnovers Bray had, including three to end the game against UGA. His final stats were 58.2% completions and 28 interceptions in 28 games. He never broke 60% completion percentage in his career while Worley is completing 58.7% (61.4% on this year) with only 6 interceptions in 12 games.

Are you really trying to say Worley is better than Bray? SMDH
 
#40
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Eric Ainge beat florida as a true freshmen. What is your explanation for that.

I was only weighing in on the Simms/Bray debate.

I'm not going to argue that a freshman QB can't win at a high level. Obviously it's been done before.

What I will say is that Ainge was the best quarterback in fall camp in 2004. Schaefer was good as well. They put a lot of distance between themselves and Clausen and Leak in preseason camp.

What makes this a different situation is that the freshmen this season did not step up to outperform the upperclassmen in camp. In fact, neither of them was even rose to the level of good in camp. The competition wasn't even close. One of the freshmen throws more to the defense than he does the offense. The other has trouble even handling snaps with regularity.

There isn't an Ainge on the sideline ready to lead this team to wins, there just isn't. Maybe one of them rises to the level of Bray 2010, but they have a long way to go to even get there at this point.
 
#41
#41
I'd be down on Worley if he fumbled the ball away and threw three interceptions, but he didn't. I am disappointed because I think that he can play better than he did, and the team needed him to play better than he did. But the team needed the rest of the team to play better than they did. According to some, Worley missed a lot of open receivers. Maybe somebody will point them out because I sure did not see a lot of open Tennessee receivers in that game.
 
#42
#42
Man, I love the posters who toss up the things like:

"Man, Peterman looked way more awesome than Worley!"

"His arm strength is looking far better!"

"Worley sucks!"

While ignoring the fact some of the times he's [Worley] has actually connected with receivers they've dropped the ball. Or the best quotes "Peterman came out looking hot!" When in reality he's come out, tossed the ball 12 times this year, connected with six for a whopping 40 yards.

Impressive...said in my best Darth Vader voice.

I don't know if Peterman or any of the RS Frosh guys are the answer. In the future, probably so. But in case none of you computer quarterbacks have seen, CBJ isn't running a huge pass attack offense. He consistently emphasizes the run. Now, I'm pretty sure Peterman can stand in the backfield and hand the ball to Neal or Lane just as well as Worley or the other Freshmen, so there is that.

But please stop saying "Peterman came out looking like Peyton reincarnated!" when in reality his stats are not that impressive. Had he come out yesterday tossing the ball around like Joe Montana, I'd be singing a different story right now. But he has not. And if he starts, he will make rookie mistakes as a brand new starter...wait a minute...rookie mistakes as a first year starter?

Kind of like another first year starter we happen to have starting like now. Oh, man, I went and did it. Yeah, we have a rookie QB in this year. With a bunch of first year starters at receivers. So combine the two and you're going to get some rough plays. So if you're going to sit there and talk about how bad Worley is, best remember there have been some pretty catchable balls tossed that receivers have dropped as well. Spread the blame around a little why don't you?

Worley has had an uphill battle since last year with much of our fan base since we are all excited over our highly talented recruiting class we got in Dobbs, Peterman and Ferguson. They had awesome high school careers and were all rated three or four stars...wait a second. Wasn't Worley rated a three star and had impressive stats? Yeah, there is that. I'll leave that alone.

He had a rough day yesterday. But even if he had thrown for 300 yards and rushed for another 100, it still wouldn't have changed the fact we were going to lose that game. "Oh, the score would look better at the end!" Yeah, the deck chairs on the Titanic would have looked nice pointing towards the bridge instead of away. I'm not saying he's our best choice, but the coaches picked him as the starter for a reason. But going into an important game like Florida you don't change your horse in mid stream unless you are certain your back up is going to get the job done. And nothing Peterman has done so far indicates he can do better than Worley.

So leave the kid alone for crying out loud. If he comes out and throws 400 yards against Florida, the kid will be a hero. If he can't get the job done, let the coach decide if he's not capable and needs to come out.



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Best post yet in response to this horse(*feces*). As someone else stated, "the second-string QB is ALWAYS better than the first-string". Some of y'all (*without mentioning any names, god forbid I hurt anyone's precious feelings.....*) on VN REALLY need to get a **** grip on reality.
 
#43
#43
lol at people suggesting Worely is better than Bray.....Bray was a first round talent who was extremely immature..but still very very talented...Worely on the other hand talent wise is a HS QB...there is just no comparison...and Bray torched SC last year...could Worely ever torch SC??? i think the bigger question is could Worely ever hit a WR in stride past 5 yards??? some of you are in la la land....Worely is not a division 1 QB and certainly not an SEC QB.....to compare him to Bray who had to play under Doolander is completely laughable....with a good defense last year you would be sucking on Bray's %%%%.....Worely doesn't have 1/20th of Bray's talent and pocket presence/awareness....oh but he's a good kid and very smart...so what..that doesn't help him complete a downfield pass when he has an inaccurate noodle for an arm...
 
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#44
#44
It has been suggested that the "Read Option" is only truly effective when the other team worries about the QB's ability to run the ball. Regardless of what people on here think of Worley, he needs to run the ball sometimes in that situation just to keep the Defense honest. He may only get a few yards but that's better than nothing.

I have seen some slow as hell QB's break good runs in games just because they ran when no one expected it.

Just a thought..
 
#46
#46
Worley reminds me a lot of Nick Stephens. Doesn't do a whole lot of anything. He doesn't really turn the ball over, but also doesn't really throw TDs. He is just kinda there running the offense until 4th down and then the punter comes out.

We need more of a risk taker if we want to win some of these ball games that we are not supposed to win. I don't know who that is, but its time to let someone else have a chance.
 
#47
#47
Throw stats out the window and go by what you saw only.

Worley doesn't have a lot of touch and definitely doesn't throw a hard ball to the outside. He threw a lot of balls way off target Saturday and no one is suggesting that it would have made a huge difference.

BUT....it will against lesser opponents.

Peterman had far more zip to his throws and looked sharper. Neither Peterman nor Worley are the answer to our problems, but my eyes tell me that Peterman looked more confident and sharper. Worley looked like a deer in the headlights.....that throws too softly.
 
#48
#48
Worley reminds me a lot of Nick Stephens. Doesn't do a whole lot of anything. He doesn't really turn the ball over, but also doesn't really throw TDs. He is just kinda there running the offense until 4th down and then the punter comes out.

We need more of a risk taker if we want to win some of these ball games that we are not supposed to win. I don't know who that is, but its time to let someone else have a chance.


You are kidding right? Nick Stephens was more of a gunslinging QB and actually had a little talent...not Bray level talent but still he had division 1 talent...Worely is our least talented starting QB since...well...ever. He makes Rick Clausen look like Peyton Manning.
 
#50
#50
Worley cannot throw an accurate deep ball. Or anything past 10-15 yards accurately. Nothing is worse than throwing a deep ball and a reciever having to wait for the ball to get there behind him. 1) that makes it less likely for him to catch it in stride for a TD 2) That's just begging for an easy interception. I've noticed Worley is a bit panicky under
BlitZ as well. He is also too immobile to flourish under this office. He just isn't the right fit. Even with all these flaws, his accuracy is still below average. I just don't see him flourishing in this offense. I've seen Butch Jones' Cincy teams and they have qbs that can at least run the ball. But Worley gives us absolutely nothing. That is why I think Peterman should be given the starting role for now. I am intereste to see how he performs with the first team offense. But right now we are in a rebuilding phase, and in the end, I see more upside in Peterman than I do in Worley. And that is what is most important.
 

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