Plain and simple... Peterman needs to start

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tennvols77 said:
Worley: staring down covered receivers and over or under throwing open targets
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lol. There's a lot to knock Worley on, but this is why he plays. No one reads the offense like he can. His receivers just aren't getting open. Your remark is waaaaaaay off base.
 
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volfanbill said:
lol. There's a lot to knock Worley on, but this is why he plays. No one reads the offense like he can. His receivers just aren't getting open. Your remark is waaaaaaay off base.
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Im cautiously agreeing with you here. Worley was a beast in HS, hard to imagine his accuracy dwindled in college. Im fearing our wr's are woefully inept.
 
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tim said:
Im cautiously agreeing with you here. Worley was a beast in HS, hard to imagine his accuracy dwindled in college. Im fearing our wr's are woefully inept.
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I'm more knocking the post as saying he stares down receivers. That's what Peterman does. Worley scans the whole field and checks down almost every time. From what I've seen from the overhead cameras, he's checking down because he has to, there just isn't a receiver open.
 
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volfanbill said:
lol. There's a lot to knock Worley on, but this is why he plays. No one reads the offense like he can. His receivers just aren't getting open. Your remark is waaaaaaay off base.
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tim said:
Im cautiously agreeing with you here. Worley was a beast in HS, hard to imagine his accuracy dwindled in college. Im fearing our wr's are woefully inept.
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Worley may be able manage the O in terms of getting us in the right play, but his arm strength through 3 games is a huge question mark.

Also, after watching some of the game again, there were several plays where he made the wrong read and under threw the wrong receiver.

I can't dispute that our WR core is more than challenged, but there were several open looks that were ignored and missed Saturday.

Having said all of that, arm strength is still my primary concern.
 
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jarnol32 said:
Are you really trying to say Worley is better than Bray? SMDH
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No, I did not say that, nor did I try to say that. Reading comprehension is an ally. People on here are whining and crying about how "inaccurate" Worley is, and I provided numbers that show that Worley is more accurate than Bray was. But people overlook that because Worley doesn't throw 50 times a game.
 
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Worley threw the ball into the ground twice on a 3 down series. He is looking Cromptonesque.
 
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whobethis16 said:
No, I did not say that, nor did I try to say that. Reading comprehension is an ally. People on here are whining and crying about how "inaccurate" Worley is, and I provided numbers that show that Worley is more accurate than Bray was. But people overlook that because Worley doesn't throw 50 times a game.
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You could use stats....

Or you could use your eyes to see that are WRs are having to make circus catches on simple routes. I am yet to see one throw where the WR didn't have a wait on it and didnt have to adjust big time.
 
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Ten_Titans said:
You could use stats....

Or you could use your eyes to see that are WRs are having to make circus catches on simple routes. I am yet to see one throw where the WR didn't have a wait on it and didnt have to adjust big time.
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This. I like the kid and hope for the best, but, after 3 games he is not the person we need running the QB. And if he is the best we got right now, then, we better start running the ball more.
 
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Ten_Titans said:
You could use stats....

Or you could use your eyes to see that are WRs are having to make circus catches on simple routes. I am yet to see one throw where the WR didn't have a wait on it and didnt have to adjust big time.
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You must have missed his beautiful touchdown drive Saturday. There were several beautiful throws then.
 
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Anyone that thinks Peterman is the answer needs to watch the second half of the AP game. He stares his receiver down like he is trying to send telepathic signals that he's passing to him. That will get him picked off against secondaries like Florida and Bama. I agree that Worley looks rough so far. His first throw of the game (a simple 5 yard out route to Downs) looked just awful and he tried to throw that same route about 5 times. Should be the easiest throw in the book. IF he starts turning the ball over then I think you have to make a switch and hope Peterman can grow out of his issues when the lights of a real game come on.
 
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Lexvol said:
Worley may be able manage the O in terms of getting us in the right play, but his arm strength through 3 games is a huge question mark.

Also, after watching some of the game again, there were several plays where he made the wrong read and under threw the wrong receiver.

I can't dispute that our WR core is more than challenged, but there were several open looks that were ignored and missed Saturday.

Having said all of that, arm strength is still my primary concern.
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What good does having a big arm do without being able to read a defense and be able to get into the right play? This isn't backyard football where you tell the receiver to run to the garbage can, backpedal to the big rock, crawl to the ditch and the ball will be there.
 
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whobethis16 said:
What good does having a big arm do without being able to read a defense and be able to get into the right play? This isn't backyard football where you tell the receiver to run to the garbage can, backpedal to the big rock, crawl to the ditch and the ball will be there.
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What good is a game manager when he struggles to complete a pass more than 30 yards down field?

I would rather have someone that can make the throws (and live with the mistakes) than someone that makes us completely one dimensional. Especially in a a read option offense.

If Oregon made UT one dimensional so easily, imagine what Florida, Bama, and SC are going to do. 4.5 ypc is going to turn into about .5 ypc if we are lucky.
 
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crunchimusmaximus said:
lol at people suggesting Worely is better than Bray.....Bray was a first round talent who was extremely immature..but still very very talented...Worely on the other hand talent wise is a HS QB...there is just no comparison...and Bray torched SC last year...could Worely ever torch SC??? i think the bigger question is could Worely ever hit a WR in stride past 5 yards??? some of you are in la la land....Worely is not a division 1 QB and certainly not an SEC QB.....to compare him to Bray who had to play under Doolander is completely laughable....with a good defense last year you would be sucking on Bray's %%%%.....Worely doesn't have 1/20th of Bray's talent and pocket presence/awareness....oh but he's a good kid and very smart...so what..that doesn't help him complete a downfield pass when he has an inaccurate noodle for an arm...
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Thank you for bringing some sanity to this board. I've never seen a group of people hate someone like bray who was an excellent player and continually make excuses for a guy that is not capable of playing qb at the d-1 level.
 
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FBtime said:
Anyone that thinks Peterman is the answer needs to watch the second half of the AP game. He stares his receiver down like he is trying to send telepathic signals that he's passing to him. That will get him picked off against secondaries like Florida and Bama. I agree that Worley looks rough so far. His first throw of the game (a simple 5 yard out route to Downs) looked just awful and he tried to throw that same route about 5 times. Should be the easiest throw in the book. IF he starts turning the ball over then I think you have to make a switch and hope Peterman can grow out of his issues when the lights of a real game come on.
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A three and out is practically a turnover. And Worley had a LOT of those.
 
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Lexvol said:
What good is a game manager when he struggles to complete a pass more than 30 yards down field?

I would rather have someone that can make the throws (and live with the mistakes) than someone that makes us completely one dimensional. Especially in a a read option offense.

If Oregon made UT one dimensional so easily, imagine what Florida, Bama, and SC are going to do. 4.5 ypc is going to turn into about .5 ypc if we are lucky.
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Florida i'd guess has a better defense than Oregon.. That one will be painful to watch as well. They won't boat race us because their offense stinks. I still see them winning comfortably though..

I agree Lex. I'd rather live with some mistakes and have the potential to make a play, than know you basically have a guy that is only good at handing the ball off.
 
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Cartervol said:
Florida i'd guess has a better defense than Oregon.. That one will be painful to watch as well. They won't boat race us because their offense stinks. I still see them winning comfortably though..

I agree Lex. I'd rather live with some mistakes and have the potential to make a play, than know you basically have a guy that is only good at handing the ball off.
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There is no way we average 4.5 YPC against Florida's defense...not without some real trickeration.
 
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whobethis16 said:
What good does having a big arm do without being able to read a defense and be able to get into the right play? This isn't backyard football where you tell the receiver to run to the garbage can, backpedal to the big rock, crawl to the ditch and the ball will be there.
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It worked pretty well last year when we had the best offense in school history. If reading defenses and making checks were all there was to playing qb then bill belichick would be the best qb in the nfl. You have to be able to deliver the ball. If you can't get it to the reciever then you should be on the sideline with a baseball cap on.
 
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jarnol32 said:
It worked pretty well last year when we had the best offense in school history. If reading defenses and making checks were all there was to playing qb then bill belichick would be the best qb in the nfl. You have to be able to deliver the ball. If you can't get it to the reciever then you should be on the sideline with a baseball cap on.
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Worked pretty well to a 5-7 season.
 
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whobethis16 said:
No, I did not say that, nor did I try to say that. Reading comprehension is an ally. People on here are whining and crying about how "inaccurate" Worley is, and I provided numbers that show that Worley is more accurate than Bray was. But people overlook that because Worley doesn't throw 50 times a game.
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Except your #s don't really show that. Look at yards per attempt. Bray was throwing the ball downfield far more, putting points on the board, even as a freshman. Worley dumps it off underneath, and has yet to have a decent passing game. Bray - as a freshman - averaged 4 yards more per completion than Worley is now. Foolish to try to equate the 2. Bray was playing a whole different game from what Worley is doing.

No idea if Peterman can play or not, but the reality is, we have absolutely no shot with Worley. He's just too limited to give us any chance against decent teams.

IMO, CBJ made a huge mistake. He thought Worley could be enough of a bus driver that the offense could limp along and we might have a shot at 6-7 wins. He was wrong. With the current state of the offense, the only SEC team we have a shot against is KY. Any hope to salvage the season rests with Peterman/Ferguson/Dobbs providing a boost the way Bray did in 2010, when the Vols were headed for the worst season in my lifetime.
 
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ETNVol said:
Except your #s don't really show that. Look at yards per attempt. Bray was throwing the ball downfield far more, putting points on the board, even as a freshman. Worley dumps it off underneath, and has yet to have a decent passing game. Bray - as a freshman - averaged 4 yards more per completion than Worley is now. Foolish to try to equate the 2. Bray was playing a whole different game from what Worley is doing.

No idea if Peterman can play or not, but the reality is, we have absolutely no shot with Worley. He's just too limited to give us any chance against decent teams.

IMO, CBJ made a huge mistake. He thought Worley could be enough of a bus driver that the offense could limp along and we might have a shot at 6-7 wins. He was wrong. With the current state of the offense, the only SEC team we have a shot against is KY. Any hope to salvage the season rests with Peterman/Ferguson/Dobbs providing a boost the way Bray did in 2010, when the Vols were headed for the worst season in my lifetime.
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I'm not even trying to say that Butch has made a huge mistake. If I were in his shoes, I would lean toward the guy with practical game experience too.

Unfortunately for UT and Worley, it is hard to imagine him having the physical ability to match his mental grasp of the offense.

I also said going into the Oregon game that this staff was going to earn their money not on game day, but on Sunday dealing with the aftermath of the game.
 
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I trust the coaches. I remember when everyone was screaming at Kiffin to bench Crompton, yet he stuck with him and FINALLY the light switch turned on and we ended up beating both Georgia and South Carolina. I don't know what's going to happen but I do trust the coaches will make the right decision.
 
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Upperclassmen take the beating thru the 1st half of our schedule this year... Ferguson gets the start for at least the last 4 games and performs admirably as we win at least 3 of 4. Never loses the starting job again barring serious injury and becomes one of the better QBs in the SEC by year 3. I think the kid is something special...he's pretty mobile and has a cannon. Just needs a lil time to adjust to the speed of the game and making the right reads. 2 out of the other 3 QBS will transfer if/when Riley wins the job outright. JMO TIFWIW. GBO VFL
 
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Worley looks real rough out there but frankly, he doesn't have a bunch of experienced WRs who can get open so he can get them the ball. The best WRs of last year all left and the WR corp this year is very in-experienced. Some may turn out to be good (North for example) but none are the type that come in as rookies and set the SEC on fire. And with our poor running game abilities, the defenses know they can drop back to cover our WRs easily.
 
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