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I can foresee for next year something like 1994. Heath Shuler had a Heisman worthy season in 1993, but with a few key losses, it went from a very promising year to a disappointing one, even though by most reasonable measurements, it was a successful year. Fulmer was reluctant to play Manning early in the 94 season, even though it was clear he was our best quarterback (Brandon Stewart would flash at times). We took some lumps through the year, but by the end of the year we were rolling and put into motion a new era in TN football.
 
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EconVol92 said:
What if Milton does not show any improvement on his accuracy during the Orange Bowl.

He has had a few years to get better touch and if it’s still not there is he still the answer next year?

I hope he is spot on, but if not I can’t say that I think he will find the touch by next season.

Am I the only one really worried about this?
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this will be 8 months of development time after the Orange bowl and Halze plans to make him the QB.. Seriously doubt a bad game in Florida automatically discounts him..
 
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Doberman said:
No sir, everyone is worried about it despite their claiming otherwise.

Worst kept secret in Big Orange Country.
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I know I am. Pretty sure we're gonna see too many over thrown balls but hey, I would LOVE to be wrong this time
 
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EconVol92 said:
What if Milton does not show any improvement on his accuracy during the Orange Bowl.

He has had a few years to get better touch and if it’s still not there is he still the answer next year?

I hope he is spot on, but if not I can’t say that I think he will find the touch by next season.

Am I the only one really worried about this?
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If Milton's not the guy on September 2, 2023, Heupel knows he's not the guy.
 
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sami said:
I have a huge problem with using a bowl game, a month removed from the regular season and without a complete team, as any kind of gauge as to what kind of QB Milton will be moving forward.

Let him have a full off season as QB1 and go through spring ball before beginning to make final judgments. Trust that Heupel, who took another inconsistent QB in Hooker and made him into a Heisman candidate, will either be able to turn Milton into a QB that will win in the SEC or find another answer. Either way, the time for concern is a ways off.
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It's a football game that they/we want to win What more do you have to see to evaluate him? He will either hit a wide open receiver or he won't. Seems pretty simple to me.
 
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Tman44 said:
Milton placed his back foot on his own 30 yard line. He flicked his wrist and hit his receiver on the opponent's FIVE yard line. He has done that a few times. So, I am not worried about him having "touch" for the intermediate throws. He has the "torch" for the impossibly long - never seen before on a consistent basis in CFB - throws. If we can't hit the 15 yard out, then hit the 75 yard go pattern. Simple.
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I want Milton to be successful for himself and the Vols.
1. He did not run to the transfer portal when he lost the starting job.
2. He seemed to be a good teammate to Hooker and the team.
3 He was not a team cancer.

He should be successful because..
1.He has all the athletic talent to be great.
2. He has great coaches.
3. A great offensive system at his fingertips.
4. His ability to throw the ball is off the charts.

If he struggles with touch on a 15yd out then hell try a 75 yd out....
 
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Orange koolaid said:
Everybody is thinking about the Milton situation wrong. Milton may not be Hooker but he is a QB with some experience. If not for him we wouldn't have anybody with any or limited in game experience. One advantage Joe doesn't create turnovers and that is huge. We will probably win more games with Milton in there until Nico get some experience than throwing him straight into the fire.
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That's what Clemson has, a highly rated guy with almost no PT. I wonder if they're all crying about it over there?
 
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EconVol92 said:
What if Milton does not show any improvement on his accuracy during the Orange Bowl.

He has had a few years to get better touch and if it’s still not there is he still the answer next year?

I hope he is spot on, but if not I can’t say that I think he will find the touch by next season.

Am I the only one really worried about this?
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You obviously don't read a lot of my posts...and probably for good reason, but I'm with you on this one. I see this as being a bit of a catch 22. We can't very well pull the rug from under Milton right before the bowl game. We also have a 5 star who's probably thinking the job is there for the taking if his competition is Milton. Not even mentioning the thought process of Jackson if we did bring in a 1 year rental at the QB position. We bring in another QB and we all but guarantee Jackson and maybe Milton leaves. Jackson might be gone regardless if Nico shows out in bowl prep. Very fine line Heupel has. One would have to think he really, really wants Milton to play lights out vs Clemson and that he's the man next year or until Nico beats him out. Barring a disastrous performance by Milton, I think he'd prefer to stand pat at the position. Might still do that even if Milton plays poorly if he feels like he's got the answer on the roster in the form of TJ or Nico. Gonna be really interesting to see how it plays out.
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
If Milton does not show improvement, Put Tayven in let's see what he can do. Might as well see how he does under pressure now rather than later.
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That's not going to happen or it shouldn't. There's no reason to risk a set back with his collarbone. He needs to target spring ball for his return.
 
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Tman44 said:
Milton placed his back foot on his own 30 yard line. He flicked his wrist and hit his receiver on the opponent's FIVE yard line. He has done that a few times. So, I am not worried about him having "touch" for the intermediate throws. He has the "torch" for the impossibly long - never seen before on a consistent basis in CFB - throws. If we can't hit the 15 yard out, then hit the 75 yard go pattern. Simple.
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I remember that throw. He hit the receiver in stride. It was a rocket on a rope. It didn't look like it got over 20 feet above the turf even at the highest pointt. I have never seen anyone throw the ball that far, that fast that far 75yds and hit the receiver dead in the hands without him breaking stride.

I say line our fastest receiver up keep running 80 yard post patterns.
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
It's a football game that they/we want to win What more do you have to see to evaluate him? He will either hit a wide open receiver or he won't. Seems pretty simple to me.
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So you're going to draw a final conclusion on one damn game, a month removed from the season, without a full roster? If Milton overthrows a few deep balls, that's it, on to Plan B?

Really glad we have cooler heads making those calls.
 
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sami said:
So you're going to draw a final conclusion on one damn game, a month removed from the season, without a full roster? If Milton overthrows a few deep balls, that's it, on to Plan B?

Really glad we have cooler heads making those calls.
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Remember the calm collectivity when Butch just named Peterman the starter. Lol. I agree it's not how it works. But the Maddenites will argue it to the end.
 
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Pump Guy said:
I can foresee for next year something like 1994. Heath Shuler had a Heisman worthy season in 1993, but with a few key losses, it went from a very promising year to a disappointing one, even though by most reasonable measurements, it was a successful year. Fulmer was reluctant to play Manning early in the 94 season, even though it was clear he was our best quarterback (Brandon Stewart would flash at times). We took some lumps through the year, but by the end of the year we were rolling and put into motion a new era in TN football.
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Are you suggesting that Joe will tear his ACL on the 3rd snap of the season and we will be forced to throw a sure fire 1st MLB pick lefty in at QB? Have you spoken to coach TV about this? Coach Fulmer handled Peyton about as well as well could hope given the circumstances.
 
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EconVol92 said:
What if Milton does not show any improvement on his accuracy during the Orange Bowl.

He has had a few years to get better touch and if it’s still not there is he still the answer next year?

I hope he is spot on, but if not I can’t say that I think he will find the touch by next season.

Am I the only one really worried about this?
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No. It's a concern.
 
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sami said:
So you're going to draw a final conclusion on one damn game, a month removed from the season, without a full roster? If Milton overthrows a few deep balls, that's it, on to Plan B?

Really glad we have cooler heads making those calls.
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You play who has the hot hand and can win. That is that objective of every game.
 
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