Playoff Committee is Atrociously Bad / Blatant B1G Bias

#26
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VolsFan-TX said:
In today's AP ranking, OSU and TN switched places. Last week, TN was 6 and OSU was 7. Today, OSU is 6 and TN is 7 even though neither team played this weekend. Just extra support for the committee to have OSU ahead of us in the seeding.
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That's what I think people should be noticing and questioning about the situation. This isn't some new phenomenon. There's a lot of voters and media in the midwest and the east/northeast, and they will always represent their interests first.

Hell, part of why the SEC exists as it does today, is because the southern schools got tired of the media bias from the east coast and the big cities up north.

I mean, the game's the game. Gotta go play it. But it sure looks like they were lining up the cards to make sure there wouldn't be any "arguments" against Ohio State getting a home game against Tennessee. They want Tennessee to take a beating and go home, so they can get their precious rematch (and media attention) for their precious Buckeyes against Oregon. I certainly hope Tennessee disappoints them.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
I can’t keep up with you guys. So many people say Notre Dame shouldn’t be in because they lost to Northern Illinois, now we are saying they got screwed?

Notre Dame got penalized for having the worst loss of any team in the field and not playing a conference championship game. That’s fair. The Big 10 got four teams in because they had 3 teams with 1 loss at regular season’s end and another with two losses. That’s fair.

Pen. state had no bad losses. Notre Dame had an awful one. Ohio State had a bad loss, but so did we. But Ohio State beat two playoff teams, we beat none. If you want to count Bama as a great win, well we still didn’t have any other good wins.

This was, honestly, the least biased possible outcome. The absence of SEC bias does not mean they are being biased towards other conferences.
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It Shouldn't be about bad losses, it should be about QUALITY Wins. Under this format, why should Tennessee even bother scheduling a tough OOC game?
 
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VolCalls said:
The format was agreed to over a year ago by the conferences. If any changes are made, it will be because the conferences decide to do it. The committee was doing their job based on the criteria set forth.
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Right, those responsible for this format need to be named and not allowed further involvement,
 
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volbound1700 said:
They didn’t care about SOS, only wins and losses so be prepared for more games like Tennessee vs Kent State because there is 0 incentive to play a good team OOC in this format.
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They obviously didn’t care about the wins and losses either. A home loss to a .500 team is much worse than a road loss….period
 
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The Vols is one of 12 teams this year that still has a chance to compete for the NC. Why all the crying? If the Vols win it all, will every TN fan still be dissing on this new format?
 
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No team should host if they lose a championship game. Losing the champ game should be a punishment. I would love to see it be a de-facto playoff and elimination...like pro playoffs. All decided on the field.
 
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Voltopia said:
That's what I think people should be noticing and questioning about the situation. This isn't some new phenomenon. There's a lot of voters and media in the midwest and the east/northeast, and they will always represent their interests first.

Hell, part of why the SEC exists as it does today, is because the southern schools got tired of the media bias from the east coast and the big cities up north.

I mean, the game's the game. Gotta go play it. But it sure looks like they were lining up the cards to make sure there wouldn't be any "arguments" against Ohio State getting a home game against Tennessee. They want Tennessee to take a beating and go home, so they can get their precious rematch (and media attention) for their precious Buckeyes against Oregon. I certainly hope Tennessee disappoints them.
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Below are two of the AP results from today. Notice where Means (from Ohio) puts TN...10th.

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Here's what I know: Bama's out.

The CFP Committee members are gonna need some 24/7 Delta Force level security for the next few months. Those Bama fans, they craayzee.

Go Vols!
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
I'll admit I was never a fan of the 12-team playoff to begin with. It's just a money grab, but watching this unfold this year just further reaffirms my hatred for it.

First off, the whole "first-round byes for only conference champions" bit is completely idiotic. Boise State, the #3 seed, is ranked #25 by FPI. Arizona State, the #4 seed, is ranked #22 by FPI. So the #5 seed ironically ends up with the easiest path of all, and the #6 seed gets to play the FPI #13 team in the first round and the FPI #25 team in the 2nd. Why?

Also, how TF is Notre Dame #7? FPI has them #2, Sagarin #1, and the AP has them #3. How do you end up with an essentially "consensus top 3 team" at #7 just because they are an independent? Even with that, how are they below Penn State? Notre Dame's resume is way more impressive than Penn State's on every single metric imaginable. But remember ... the #6 seed is extremely lucrative because you get to play 2 teams that shouldn't even be in the playoff in the first 2 rounds ... so mysteriously ... Penn State gets ranked higher than Notre Dame and Notre Dame gets slotted in a potential 2nd round matchup with Georgia (arguably the best team in the country).

The entire exercise reeks of B1G bias. Penn State has a weak resume with no quality wins but somehow gets the coveted #6 seed. Ohio State gets the #8 seed and a home game after an embarassing loss. We get screwed into a road game against Ohio State. I don't even have a problem with Ohio State being ranked over us in the abstract - it's more that there's no consistency is evaluation. If Ohio State is above us due to "quality wins" and a strong FPI ranking, then why is Penn State above us and Notre Dame, when both us and ND have higher FPI rankings and better quality wins? The only consistent logic is that "whatever logic is needed to put a B1G team in the favorable position wins out".

Literally, the only thing I agree with is Oregon at #1 and Georgia at #2. Nothing else makes any sense except under the lens that the B1G is just rigging the entire thing to its benefit.

I'm happy we're in, but I can't say I'm excited for this monstrosity. This is even worse and more political than the NCAA basketball tournament seeding.
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1000% agree.

To further amplify your point, Penn State and Texas, who lost their CCG's, are gifted essentially free rides into the final four, while Oregon, the unbeaten #1 seed, gets the hardest draw of the four bye teams.

The whole thing could not possibly have been done any worse. You have four "deserving" teams that everyone knows will be gone in their first game and a pretender in Indiana that will get boat raced at Notre Dame.

And not to be "woe is me", but does anyone seriously believe they weren't fully aware that UT got the single most brutal draw of anyone in the field? We can win in Columbus, and I'm not scared of Oregon, but it's just sick how they weighted our (and OSU's) draw compared to Texas and Penn State, who "lost" their way into the final four yesterday.
 
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They set it up to try and get all 4 Big Ten teams into the quarterfinals. Instead of matching up Indiana with Penn State or Ohio State like they should have, they matched them up with Notre Dame. The flip side is all 3 could lose and they are stuck with just Oregon as the lone Big Ten rep in the quarterfinals. I don’t see Indiana beating ND. We could easily beat Ohio State just as easily they beat us. Penn State is known for losing big games and SMU is an athletic team so that has some potential for an upset. Penn State has the best chance at advancing though.
 
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#42
Why if it's just a money grab....NAIA....D-III....D-II....etc have been doing 16 team playoffs for years?
 
#43
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barney said:
Not sure why they decided to do it this way. It would make more sense in my mind to give the top 8 seeds a bye and have the bottom 4 seeds play a wild card round instead of the other way around like how they do in the NFL.
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That would have made zero sense and would have taken two weeks to get down to 8 teams. What we actually got is basically how the NFL did it for many years until they added the 7th seed in each conference
 
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volbound1700 said:
It Shouldn't be about bad losses, it should be about QUALITY Wins. Under this format, why should Tennessee even bother scheduling a tough OOC game?
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Why shouldn’t losing at Oklahoma by 21 matter? That’s not something a playoff team does. We only have 1 quality win anyway. If quality wins are all that matter, you could get a 6-6 team in.

Just FYI, we didn’t have a tough OOC slate and won’t for quite some time.
 
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NOLAPhil said:
No team should host if they lose a championship game. Losing the champ game should be a punishment. I would love to see it be a de-facto playoff and elimination...like pro playoffs. All decided on the field.
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They got knocked out of a bye. That’s their punishment. If you went on ranking, they would have gotten byes. Since they lost, they lost that bye.

You are literally getting a pro playoff type of scenario. Even the whining about the automatic byes for the top 4 conference champions, we have seen teams with losing records host teams with 11 or 12 wins in the NFL
 
#46
#46
The SEC needs to immediately expand x 4-6 teams……pick the crappiest teams that essentially provide a ‘conference game’ easy win and will allow the good teams to not play as many head to head games which effectively knocks our quality teams from not qualifying for the playoffs. This is what the other leagues did. The ACC big 3 (Miami, Clemson, SMU) did not play each other…..those 3 teams were cumulative 0-6 vs teams with winning records. Indiana’s strength of schedule was 116th in the country prior to playing OSU…after getting their teeth kicked in, their SOS jumped to 61! Penn states only quality win was vs Illinois…..at #25. Only beat 2 teams with better than .500……and they got a home playoff game?! The Big 10 teams avoided playing each other….with only PSU and OSU playing each other. This is what the SEC should do. Screw playing good teams out of conference ; why take a risk when you have brutal conference games. It appears you get penalized for losses more than playing a tougher schedule. Get rid of conference championship games…..the ACC championship game allowed a non-playoff team like Clemson to play its way in when it didn’t deserve to…..so how, according to the CFP chair, can a team not be penalized for losing a conference championship game but can be rewarded for winning a game? Clemson should never have been able to play their way in. Also, there must be reseating of 2nd round playoff games! From an Oregon #1perspective……they will potentially have to play OSU #8 in the second round; ASU #4 ( lowest rated 1st round bye team) could possibly play the #12 team in the second round!? If I were Oregon, I would call BS on that. This system was not well thought out.
 
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All things considered I think the committee did a decent job. My biggest objection is Boise and Az St getting byes but that’s the way the rules were set up. Make no mistake, the Big 10 and the SEC have a lot of power and you’ll see that in future years when the new rules are made.Trust me when I tell you that Greg Sankey isn’t going to be happy getting only 3 teams in and the Big 10 getting 4. However in the end he and Bama couldn’t overcome the idea of devaluing the conference championship game and the committee had to keep SMU in. Surprised me that Bama was left out but that’s the way it rolls sometimes.
 
#48
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VolsFan-TX said:
In today's AP ranking, OSU and TN switched places. Last week, TN was 6 and OSU was 7. Today, OSU is 6 and TN is 7 even though neither team played this weekend. Just extra support for the committee to have OSU ahead of us in the seeding.
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Exactly!!!
 
#50
#50
SEC needs to punish every team they face, start embarrassing ACC and Big 12 teams, they'll invite 1 team each playoff since the ratings will honk on television
 
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