Playoff Committee is Atrociously Bad / Blatant B1G Bias

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teeball said:
+1,000. Despite its complexity the BCS system with multiple computer polls and people polls averaged together was the best, most unbiased selection method ever IMO. Having a handful of folks primarily from the B1G footprint determing who's in and who's out virtually guarantees you a biased outcome. The south will always draw the short straw with these "committees". This year, for example, 4 B1G teams in, 3 B1G teams playing at home vs the SEC with 3 teams in, 1 team playing on the road despite the SEC having won the vast majority of NC's over the past two decades. It's just BS IMO. Go Vols !!!
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Think only two big ten teams are playing at home

Indiana and Oregon won't be
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
I'll admit I was never a fan of the 12-team playoff to begin with. It's just a money grab, but watching this unfold this year just further reaffirms my hatred for it.

First off, the whole "first-round byes for only conference champions" bit is completely idiotic. Boise State, the #3 seed, is ranked #25 by FPI. Arizona State, the #4 seed, is ranked #22 by FPI. So the #5 seed ironically ends up with the easiest path of all, and the #6 seed gets to play the FPI #13 team in the first round and the FPI #25 team in the 2nd. Why?

Also, how TF is Notre Dame #7? FPI has them #2, Sagarin #1, and the AP has them #3. How do you end up with an essentially "consensus top 3 team" at #7 just because they are an independent? Even with that, how are they below Penn State? Notre Dame's resume is way more impressive than Penn State's on every single metric imaginable. But remember ... the #6 seed is extremely lucrative because you get to play 2 teams that shouldn't even be in the playoff in the first 2 rounds ... so mysteriously ... Penn State gets ranked higher than Notre Dame and Notre Dame gets slotted in a potential 2nd round matchup with Georgia (arguably the best team in the country).

The entire exercise reeks of B1G bias. Penn State has a weak resume with no quality wins but somehow gets the coveted #6 seed. Ohio State gets the #8 seed and a home game after an embarassing loss. We get screwed into a road game against Ohio State. I don't even have a problem with Ohio State being ranked over us in the abstract - it's more that there's no consistency is evaluation. If Ohio State is above us due to "quality wins" and a strong FPI ranking, then why is Penn State above us and Notre Dame, when both us and ND have higher FPI rankings and better quality wins? The only consistent logic is that "whatever logic is needed to put a B1G team in the favorable position wins out".

Literally, the only thing I agree with is Oregon at #1 and Georgia at #2. Nothing else makes any sense except under the lens that the B1G is just rigging the entire thing to its benefit.

I'm happy we're in, but I can't say I'm excited for this monstrosity. This is even worse and more political than the NCAA basketball tournament seeding.
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Yeah, you're right. It's also amazing to me that somehow Bama is in but not Miami, so no offense to us here in the SEC but we are also highly praised over conferences like the ACC or the MWC. It just seems stupid that conferences with more well-known teams get more playoff-berths then conferences with teams who could beat those teams (Like Bama) but aren't well known. Hopefully this changes, but I highly doubt it.
 
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bicenTENNial said:
Rank em 1-12 ... No conference champion crap... Let em play.. The fact Boise State and Arizona State not only have home playoff games, but also have byes is a joke
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I say treat it like the nfl since they are getting paid and want to be like them. Make all the power conferences have 16 teams play 16 conference games. Take the take the winners of all conferences and one or two wild cards and give the two best teams a bye and let everyone else duke it out.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
I'll admit I was never a fan of the 12-team playoff to begin with. It's just a money grab, but watching this unfold this year just further reaffirms my hatred for it.

First off, the whole "first-round byes for only conference champions" bit is completely idiotic. Boise State, the #3 seed, is ranked #25 by FPI. Arizona State, the #4 seed, is ranked #22 by FPI. So the #5 seed ironically ends up with the easiest path of all, and the #6 seed gets to play the FPI #13 team in the first round and the FPI #25 team in the 2nd. Why?

Also, how TF is Notre Dame #7? FPI has them #2, Sagarin #1, and the AP has them #3. How do you end up with an essentially "consensus top 3 team" at #7 just because they are an independent? Even with that, how are they below Penn State? Notre Dame's resume is way more impressive than Penn State's on every single metric imaginable. But remember ... the #6 seed is extremely lucrative because you get to play 2 teams that shouldn't even be in the playoff in the first 2 rounds ... so mysteriously ... Penn State gets ranked higher than Notre Dame and Notre Dame gets slotted in a potential 2nd round matchup with Georgia (arguably the best team in the country).

The entire exercise reeks of B1G bias. Penn State has a weak resume with no quality wins but somehow gets the coveted #6 seed. Ohio State gets the #8 seed and a home game after an embarassing loss. We get screwed into a road game against Ohio State. I don't even have a problem with Ohio State being ranked over us in the abstract - it's more that there's no consistency is evaluation. If Ohio State is above us due to "quality wins" and a strong FPI ranking, then why is Penn State above us and Notre Dame, when both us and ND have higher FPI rankings and better quality wins? The only consistent logic is that "whatever logic is needed to put a B1G team in the favorable position wins out".

Literally, the only thing I agree with is Oregon at #1 and Georgia at #2. Nothing else makes any sense except under the lens that the B1G is just rigging the entire thing to its benefit.

I'm happy we're in, but I can't say I'm excited for this monstrosity. This is even worse and more political than the NCAA basketball tournament seeding.
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I've been watching college football for 40 years - back when you had 1 game televised per week nationally on ABC with Keith Jackson covering. As a result of "Big 10" and "PAC 12" bias, Jefferson Pilot sponsored one SEC game a week on TNT on Saturdays. Then.....ESPN comes along. I"ve been saying this for years, there is considerable bias against the SEC and in favor of B1G. This is a decades long problem. Giving Pedo-state the obvious most favorable seeding spot is completely predictable. The whole conference winner seeding is completely embarrassing to those constructing it (or at least it should be). I'm sure the "sports-drama-queens" at ESPN will talk about it all off season. The more quantitative/objective this process is and less subjective the better.
 
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Tnphil said:
Why if it's just a money grab....NAIA....D-III....D-II....etc have been doing 16 team playoffs for years?
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They've also never had a history of bowl games to contend with. Never understood the system anyway. Yes, bowl games were/are money and they were fun for the holiday regimen. In times past, when there weren't so many, they were kind of a defacto one game playoff reward. With one or two bowl games having natty implications by concesus.

It just never made sense that in the history of all college football, all the lower tiers have always had playoff formats, and then you get to D1-A, and it's different. The only sport in all of college athletics that never had a playoff is D1-A football.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
I can’t keep up with you guys. So many people say Notre Dame shouldn’t be in because they lost to Northern Illinois, now we are saying they got screwed?

Notre Dame got penalized for having the worst loss of any team in the field and not playing a conference championship game. That’s fair. The Big 10 got four teams in because they had 3 teams with 1 loss at regular season’s end and another with two losses. That’s fair.

Pen. state had no bad losses. Notre Dame had an awful one. Ohio State had a bad loss, but so did we. But Ohio State beat two playoff teams, we beat none. If you want to count Bama as a great win, well we still didn’t have any other good wins.

This was, honestly, the least biased possible outcome. The absence of SEC bias does not mean they are being biased towards other conferences.
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My only gripe is that Boise State and Arizona State didn't earn byes. They were gifted them and it cost the Vols a home game in the first round. I don't think this was an oversight by Greg Sankey. It was a recruiting tool to get the lesser conferences on board and now with the public outcry, they'll seed the field and add 2 or 4 teams and get it right. What this means to the average SEC fan is there's no way the SEC is going to a 9 game conference schedule without a historic payday. Strength of schedule mattered until it didn't.
 
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ksgovols said:
My only gripe is that Boise State and Arizona State didn't earn byes. They were gifted them and it cost the Vols a home game in the first round. I don't think this was an oversight by Greg Sankey. It was a recruiting tool to get the lesser conferences on board and now with the public outcry, they'll seed the field and add 2 or 4 teams and get it right. What this means to the average SEC fan is there's no way the SEC is going to a 9 game conference schedule without a historic payday. Strength of schedule mattered until it didn't.
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Agree. To be fair, I think the Big12 was overlooked. I would have rather seen BYU make it than SMU. Boise State is really the team that didn't deserve to be there. Notre Dame should have taken the ACC's autobid spot since the ACC was crap this year and really couldn't put a lot of teams in it. That would have moved Tennessee up to #8.

Notre Dame plays 5 ACC teams and can basically sub for the ACC Champion and used to in the 4-team CFB Playoff system.
 
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VolsFan-TX said:
In today's AP ranking, OSU and TN switched places. Last week, TN was 6 and OSU was 7. Today, OSU is 6 and TN is 7 even though neither team played this weekend. Just extra support for the committee to have OSU ahead of us in the seeding.
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It sounds like they are voting to fit the narrative because the logic used for the seating is nonsensical. The media has to help with damage control.
 
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ksgovols said:
My only gripe is that Boise State and Arizona State didn't earn byes. They were gifted them and it cost the Vols a home game in the first round. I don't think this was an oversight by Greg Sankey. It was a recruiting tool to get the lesser conferences on board and now with the public outcry, they'll seed the field and add 2 or 4 teams and get it right. What this means to the average SEC fan is there's no way the SEC is going to a 9 game conference schedule without a historic payday. Strength of schedule mattered until it didn't.
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Boise beat everyone they played except for a close road loss to the undefeated number 1 team. Tennessee cost themselves a home game by losing to Arkansas. It would have been Tennessee vs Texas in the SEC Championship game with the winner getting a bye and the loser getting a home game if we hadn’t choked against a 6-6 team. I’m not going to cry foul about Boise or Arizona State when we choked away a golden opportunity. We can’t even blame the grind of the SEC schedule because that was conference game number 2 and was coming off a bye week.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
Boise beat everyone they played except for a close road loss to the undefeated number 1 team. Tennessee cost themselves a home game by losing to Arkansas. It would have been Tennessee vs Texas in the SEC Championship game with the winner getting a bye and the loser getting a home game if we hadn’t choked against a 6-6 team. I’m not going to cry foul about Boise or Arizona State when we choked away a golden opportunity. We can’t even blame the grind of the SEC schedule because that was conference game number 2 and was coming off a bye week.
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UNLV played and beat 2 Big 12 teams: at Houston by 20 and at Kansas by 3. Outside of that though, the B12 whipped the Mountain West 6-0 in the other matchups and none of them were close. I’d say there’s enough data points to say the B12 is better than the MW. My only point there is comparing the B12 to the MW as I have seen some folks talk about it. Boise did play a tough non conference slate with Oregon, Washington State and Oregon State, winning the latter 2 handily. That’s all they can do. Like you said, don’t crap the bed up 11 in the second half at Arkansas and UT is at least hosting, maybe even a one the SEC.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
UNLV played and beat 2 Big 12 teams: at Houston by 20 and at Kansas by 3. Outside of that though, the B12 whipped the Mountain West 6-0 in the other matchups and none of them were close. I’d say there’s enough data points to say the B12 is better than the MW. My only point there is comparing the B12 to the MW as I have seen some folks talk about it. Boise did play a tough non conference slate with Oregon, Washington State and Oregon State, winning the latter 2 handily. That’s all they can do. Like you said, don’t crap the bed up 11 in the second half at Arkansas and UT is at least hosting, maybe even a one the SEC.
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Houston didn't even have a winning record.

Big12 had 4 top 25 teams currently: BYU, Arizona State, Iowa State, Colorado.

MWC has 1, Boise State

The talent level, fan support, etc. is not on the same page.

Boise State was GIFTED a 3 seed they DON'T deserve.

Let me ask you a serious question, could Tennessee have gone 12-0 or 11-1 with Boise State's schedule? If you say "yes", then why the heck is Boise State a 3 seed and not an 11/12 seed?
 
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volbound1700 said:
Houston didn't even have a winning record.

Big12 had 4 top 25 teams currently: BYU, Arizona State, Iowa State, Colorado.

MWC has 1, Boise State

The talent level, fan support, etc. is not on the same page.

Boise State was GIFTED a 3 seed they DON'T deserve.

Let me ask you a serious question, could Tennessee have gone 12-0 or 11-1 with Boise State's schedule? If you say "yes", then why the heck is Boise State a 3 seed and not an 11/12 seed?
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Forget the rankings. The MW had 8 opportunities against the B12. UNLV won their 2 games but the other 6 games were blowouts for the B12. I agree Boise shouldn’t be a 3 seed and agree UT would go no worse than 11-1 with the same schedule. There was no way they were changing the seeds this year though so hopefully that will be fixed before next year’s playoff. I give Boise credit for at least scheduling tough OOC.
 
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Peradox1K said:
Yeah, you're right. It's also amazing to me that somehow Bama is in but not Miami, so no offense to us here in the SEC but we are also highly praised over conferences like the ACC or the MWC. It just seems stupid that conferences with more well-known teams get more playoff-berths then conferences with teams who could beat those teams (Like Bama) but aren't well known. Hopefully this changes, but I highly doubt it.
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Bama is not in.
 
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gemlek said:
The SEC needs to immediately expand x 4-6 teams……pick the crappiest teams that essentially provide a ‘conference game’ easy win and will allow the good teams to not play as many head to head games which effectively knocks our quality teams from not qualifying for the playoffs. This is what the other leagues did. The ACC big 3 (Miami, Clemson, SMU) did not play each other…..those 3 teams were cumulative 0-6 vs teams with winning records. Indiana’s strength of schedule was 116th in the country prior to playing OSU…after getting their teeth kicked in, their SOS jumped to 61! Penn states only quality win was vs Illinois…..at #25. Only beat 2 teams with better than .500……and they got a home playoff game?! The Big 10 teams avoided playing each other….with only PSU and OSU playing each other. This is what the SEC should do. Screw playing good teams out of conference ; why take a risk when you have brutal conference games. It appears you get penalized for losses more than playing a tougher schedule. Get rid of conference championship games…..the ACC championship game allowed a non-playoff team like Clemson to play its way in when it didn’t deserve to…..so how, according to the CFP chair, can a team not be penalized for losing a conference championship game but can be rewarded for winning a game? Clemson should never have been able to play their way in. Also, there must be reseating of 2nd round playoff games! From an Oregon #1perspective……they will potentially have to play OSU #8 in the second round; ASU #4 ( lowest rated 1st round bye team) could possibly play the #12 team in the second round!? If I were Oregon, I would call BS on that. This system was not well thought out.
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Besides the one long paragraph, I agree with most of what you said except for Clemson part. Clemson beat SMU so they should be in. However, the Clemson and SMU game should've been more of an elimination game. Clemson would be the 7th or 8th best team in the SEC.

The rankings are hot garbage and your point about weak scheduling and these 18 team conferences with half of the league filled with dregs is spot on.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
I'll admit I was never a fan of the 12-team playoff to begin with. It's just a money grab, but watching this unfold this year just further reaffirms my hatred for it.

First off, the whole "first-round byes for only conference champions" bit is completely idiotic. Boise State, the #3 seed, is ranked #25 by FPI. Arizona State, the #4 seed, is ranked #22 by FPI. So the #5 seed ironically ends up with the easiest path of all, and the #6 seed gets to play the FPI #13 team in the first round and the FPI #25 team in the 2nd. Why?

Also, how TF is Notre Dame #7? FPI has them #2, Sagarin #1, and the AP has them #3. How do you end up with an essentially "consensus top 3 team" at #7 just because they are an independent? Even with that, how are they below Penn State? Notre Dame's resume is way more impressive than Penn State's on every single metric imaginable. But remember ... the #6 seed is extremely lucrative because you get to play 2 teams that shouldn't even be in the playoff in the first 2 rounds ... so mysteriously ... Penn State gets ranked higher than Notre Dame and Notre Dame gets slotted in a potential 2nd round matchup with Georgia (arguably the best team in the country).

The entire exercise reeks of B1G bias. Penn State has a weak resume with no quality wins but somehow gets the coveted #6 seed. Ohio State gets the #8 seed and a home game after an embarassing loss. We get screwed into a road game against Ohio State. I don't even have a problem with Ohio State being ranked over us in the abstract - it's more that there's no consistency is evaluation. If Ohio State is above us due to "quality wins" and a strong FPI ranking, then why is Penn State above us and Notre Dame, when both us and ND have higher FPI rankings and better quality wins? The only consistent logic is that "whatever logic is needed to put a B1G team in the favorable position wins out".

Literally, the only thing I agree with is Oregon at #1 and Georgia at #2. Nothing else makes any sense except under the lens that the B1G is just rigging the entire thing to its benefit.

I'm happy we're in, but I can't say I'm excited for this monstrosity. This is even worse and more political than the NCAA basketball tournament seeding.
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Joel Klatt said the CFP committee overvalued the championship games and artificially manipulated the process to keep teams with lesser resumes (Texas, and Penn State) over teams with better resumes (Ohio State and Tennessee).
By manipulating the process, the CFP committee put Tennessee on the hardest possible path to a championship - Ohio State @ Columbus, Oregon @ Rose Bowl, Texas @ Arlington, and Georgia @ Atlanta.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
Boise beat everyone they played except for a close road loss to the undefeated number 1 team. Tennessee cost themselves a home game by losing to Arkansas. It would have been Tennessee vs Texas in the SEC Championship game with the winner getting a bye and the loser getting a home game if we hadn’t choked against a 6-6 team. I’m not going to cry foul about Boise or Arizona State when we choked away a golden opportunity. We can’t even blame the grind of the SEC schedule because that was conference game number 2 and was coming off a bye week.
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The proof will be in the pudding. If Boise State and Arizona State make it to the next round, I'll withdraw my complaint. The fact is if the 3 and 4 seeds are attached at the hip to conferences who don't have the SoS or the poll power to be any higher than 10-12. It was a gift.
 
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