"playoff"

[Mr. U]

Introducing at-large bids into the scenario based on their BCS ranking would be in improvement over the watered down, 8 super conference scenario you introduced earlier.

And you have yet to answer the question about what exactly the Big East and ACC have done to warrant an automatic BCS bid...let alone an 8-team playoff bid where there are better teams out there who have the misfortune of not playing in a garbage conference like the Big East or the A She She.

Let me ask this first, lets say you give up the Big East bid to another conference....What conference do you think deserves it this year? (since you dont feel the Big East should have it)

 

[hmanvolfan]

So had South Carolina beaten Auburn, Auburn wouldn't make the 8-team playoff, in spite of being ranked #1 for a good part of the season. That's not exactly fair, but given your scenario that's exactly what would happen.

All conferences are not created equal.

If an 8-team playoff is proposed, BCS rankings should be used...right or wrong.

That's exactly right. UConn being in the Fiesta Bowl just because they're the Big Least champs is a prime example.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

Let me ask this first, lets say you give up the Big East bid to another conference....What conference do you think deserves it this year? (since you dont feel the Big East should have it)

The team with the highest BCS ranking, regardless of conference affiliation...that's who.

I see you refuse to answer my question, yet I repeatedly answer yours. So I'll ask it again....what in your opinion has the Big East or ACC done on the field to warrant their automatic BCS bids?

 

[volger]

Just do a plus 1 or 4 team playoff and be done with it.

I can live with either scenario.

 

[Mr. U]

The team with the highest BCS ranking, regardless of conference affiliation...that's who.

I see you refuse to answer my question, yet I repeatedly answer yours. So I'll ask it again....what in your opinion has the Big East or ACC done on the field to warrant their automatic BCS bids?

You're changing the BCS rules now though. You cant put more then 2 teams from 1 conference in BCS games. You take out UConn (from a conference with only 2 teams with losing records, less then the SEC) and Va Tech (from a conference with the same amount of winning teams from the SEC and is currently 2-0 against the SEC in bowl games) then the only conference left you can pull a team from is the Big 12. However if you're not in the top 10 of the BCS rankings, you're not qualified to go to a BCS bowl unless you win your conference so the only team that could have been eligible to play Oklahoma is Boise St. And does Boise St, a team who lost in the 2nd to last week of the season AND didnt win the conference championship deserve to play Oklahoma? If you put them in, you still need another team since you're dropping the Big East and ACC. I know you want to put another SEC team in but you've already got your 2 and contractually you cant add more then 2 teams from a conference. Who's your other team? It has to either be a conference champion or someone in the top 10 that doesnt already have 2 teams in BCS games. Good luck figuring that one out and not changing and making up the rules as you go! :good!:

 

[Lawrence Wright]

I see Mr. U is still avoiding my question.
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[tumscalcium]

A 16 team playoff is by far the best and most logical thing to do. College football fans have been so used to having the championship so limited that a lot of them aren't actually thinking about it. For years it was a collection of opinion, sometimes split. Now it's opinion for two team to play each other. Some only want a plus 1 to only have 4 teams possible to win it. Ridiculous. There are 120 teams, there is nothing wrong with 16 teams in the playoff. If 16 beats 1, then 8, then 4, then 2, then they certainly belong as NC. Gee, let the championship be decided on the field instead of opinion. What a concept.

 

[vol66]

sec champ
big 12 champ
big 10 champ
pac 10 champ
acc champ
big east champ
wac champ
c-usa champ
sun belt champ
mac champ
mwc champ
5 at large bids


Yes there would be arguments involving 1 or 2 loss teams, too bad

 

[Mr. U]

I see Mr. U is still avoiding my question.
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You're changing the BCS rules now though. You cant put more then 2 teams from 1 conference in BCS games. You take out UConn (from a conference with only 2 teams with losing records, less then the SEC) and Va Tech (from a conference with the same amount of winning teams from the SEC and is currently 2-0 against the SEC in bowl games) then the only conference left you can pull a team from is the Big 12. However if you're not in the top 10 of the BCS rankings, you're not qualified to go to a BCS bowl unless you win your conference so the only team that could have been eligible to play Oklahoma is Boise St. And does Boise St, a team who lost in the 2nd to last week of the season AND didnt win the conference championship deserve to play Oklahoma? If you put them in, you still need another team since you're dropping the Big East and ACC. I know you want to put another SEC team in but you've already got your 2 and contractually you cant add more then 2 teams from a conference. Who's your other team? It has to either be a conference champion or someone in the top 10 that doesnt already have 2 teams in BCS games. Good luck figuring that one out and not changing and making up the rules as you go! :good!:

Apparently reading comprehension isn't a requirement to get into the Univ of Florida

 

[vol66]

A 16 team play-off using all conference champs with 5 at large bids would have looked a bit like this.

1.SEC-Auburn(13-0) vs. 16. Sunbelt-FIU(7-6)

2.PAC-Oregon(12-0) vs. 15. Ohio -MAC(9-4)

3.MWC-TCU (12-0) vs. 14. Big East-UConn(8-4)

4.Big10-OhioSt.(12-1) vs. 13. C-USA-UCF(10-3)

5.(at large)Stanford(12-1) vs. 12. (at large)Arky(10-3)

6.WAC-Boise St.(12-1) vs. 11. (at large)Mich. St(11-2)

7.(at large) Nevada(12-1) vs. 10. (at large) Wisc.(11-2)

8.Big12-Oklahoma(12-2) vs. 9. ACC Va. Tech (11-2)

 

[JoeKyleVol]

A 16 team play-off using all conference champs with 5 at large bids would have looked a bit like this.

1.SEC-Auburn(13-0) vs. 16. Sunbelt-FIU(7-6)

2.PAC-Oregon(12-0) vs. 15. Ohio -MAC(9-4)

3.MWC-TCU (12-0) vs. 14. Big East-UConn(8-4)

4.Big10-OhioSt.(12-1) vs. 13. C-USA-UCF(10-3)

5.(at large)Stanford(12-1) vs. 12. (at large)Arky(10-3)

6.WAC-Boise St.(12-1) vs. 11. (at large)Mich. St(11-2)

7.(at large) Nevada(12-1) vs. 10. (at large) Wisc.(11-2)

8.Big12-Oklahoma(12-2) vs. 9. ACC Va. Tech (11-2)

This would be excellent and I would fully support something of this design.

This gives meaning to all of college football--even the games in mid-major conferences. For the vast majority of FBS teams, the season is pointless before it ever begins, because your only reward is playing in a dinky bowl at the end.

If anyone complains that a team like FIU shouldn't have a chance to play for a NT--if they were to beat the gauntlet of top teams in a playoff, they deserve it as much as anyone else.

Give purpose to the rest of college football and not just the major conferences.
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[Cartervol]

I think the game has evolved to a point that it needs one. Really if it hadn't been for a bunch of behind the scenes fat cat's lining their pockets with outrageous about of cash from the current bowl system, there would be one in place right now.

Seems like there would be plenty of ways to continue lining Mr fat cat's pockets and settle this thing on the field like it should be. I don't get it.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

Originally Posted by Mr. U
You're changing the BCS rules now though. You cant put more then 2 teams from 1 conference in BCS games......blah blah blah blah blah.....

Apparently reading comprehension isn't a requirement to get into the Univ of Florida

UF alums can distinguish between "then" and "than", so we have that going for us....which is nice.

If you're going to attack someone's intelligence, it's a good idea to have a working knowledge of basic grammar.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

Back on topic...

Originally Posted by Mr. U View Post
You're changing the BCS rules now though. You cant put more then 2 teams from 1 conference in BCS games. You take out UConn (from a conference with only 2 teams with losing records, less then the SEC) and Va Tech (from a conference with the same amount of winning teams from the SEC and is currently 2-0 against the SEC in bowl games) then the only conference left you can pull a team from is the Big 12. However if you're not in the top 10 of the BCS rankings, you're not qualified to go to a BCS bowl unless you win your conference so the only team that could have been eligible to play Oklahoma is Boise St. And does Boise St, a team who lost in the 2nd to last week of the season AND didnt win the conference championship deserve to play Oklahoma? If you put them in, you still need another team since you're dropping the Big East and ACC. I know you want to put another SEC team in but you've already got your 2 and contractually you cant add more then 2 teams from a conference. Who's your other team? It has to either be a conference champion or someone in the top 10 that doesnt already have 2 teams in BCS games. Good luck figuring that one out and not changing and making up the rules as you go!

If what you said in bold is your explanation as to what the ACC and Big East champs have done to warrant their automatic BCS bids, then we should go ahead and agree to disagree.

If you're telling me that UNC's fluke victory over Tennessee and Spurrier crapping the bed against FSU (again) somehow validates the ACC's automatic BCS bowl bid, without taking into account the ACC's actual performance in BCS bowl games, I'll stop short of calling you something other than intelligent. I'll be nice and simply say I disagree.

Your bolded part about the Big East makes no sense, and it wouldn't make sense even if you knew when to use "than" as opposed to "then".

 

[Lawrence Wright]

A 16 team play-off using all conference champs with 5 at large bids would have looked a bit like this.

1.SEC-Auburn(13-0) vs. 16. Sunbelt-FIU(7-6)

2.PAC-Oregon(12-0) vs. 15. Ohio -MAC(9-4)

3.MWC-TCU (12-0) vs. 14. Big East-UConn(8-4)

4.Big10-OhioSt.(12-1) vs. 13. C-USA-UCF(10-3)

5.(at large)Stanford(12-1) vs. 12.(at large)Arky(10-3)

6.WAC-Boise St.(12-1) vs. 11. (at large)Mich. St(11-2)

7.(at large) Nevada(12-1) vs. 10. (at large) Wisc.(11-2)

8.Big12-Oklahoma(12-2) vs. 9. ACC Va. Tech (11-2)

I would definitely be in favor of this.

First round games played at the higher-ranked team's home stadium, then use the bowls for the quarters/semis/finals.

 

[vol66]

I would definitely be in favor of this.

First round games played at the higher-ranked team's home stadium, then use the bowls for the quarters/semis/finals.

First 3 round games at the higher seeded teams home field. Championship game at a neutral site. This keeps the bowl system out of the championship. The Bowls would exist in tact, just outside of the championship race. This rewards the best teams for their regular season record. The big benificiary is the host school. A #1 seed might host for 3 rounds, that's a lot of income.

 

[kptvol]

sec champ
big 12 champ
big 10 champ
pac 10 champ
acc champ
big east champ
wac champ
c-usa champ
sun belt champ
mac champ
mwc champ
5 at large bids

Non-BCS schools would have no business with automatic bids. If you go undefeated from your crap conference you can have an at large bid.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

First 3 round games at the higher seeded teams home field. Championship game at a neutral site. This keeps the bowl system out of the championship. The Bowls would exist in tact, just outside of the championship race. This rewards the best teams for their regular season record. The big benificiary is the host school. A #1 seed might host for 3 rounds, that's a lot of income.

Some of the critics of a playoff say it's tough to get a fanbase to mobilize several weeks in a row to various locations. With your example, this is eliminated somewhat with the home team getting home field throughout like the NFL.

I'm an old-timer, so I like the bowls and think they could be used in a playoff scenario...especially a 16-team format.

 

[kptvol]

I'm an old-timer, so I like the bowls and think they could be used in a playoff scenario...especially a 16-team format.

There just aren't even close to 16 worthy teams at the conclusion of the regular season. 4 teams. Fanbase goes to two games. I can't recall a scenario where a team with a legitimate argument would be left out.

 

[vol66]

Non-BCS schools would have no business with automatic bids. If you go undefeated from your crap conference you can have an at large bid.

I think if you win your conference in D1 football, you should get to represent your conference in the tournament. It's fair. Why should a 9-3 South Carolina get to go over a conference champion? Just because they are runners up in a big time conference? UCF beat UGA. South Florida beat Clemson. If somebody wants to argue who should get one of the 5 at large bids either Bama or SC, that I get. Those teams not in the 16, will still go to bowl games.

 

[utvolpj]

I think if you win your conference in D1 football, you should get to represent your conference in the tournament. It's fair. Why should a 9-3 South Carolina get to go over a conference champion? Just because they are runners up in a big time conference? UCF beat UGA. South Florida beat Clemson. If somebody wants to argue who should get one of the 5 at large bids either Bama or SC, that I get. Those teams not in the 16, will still go to bowl games.

last year UF and bama played for the SECC and basically for a spot in the NC. Are you saying that Central Mich, Troy or E Carolina would have been more deserving than UF?

 

[kptvol]

I think if you win your conference in D1 football, you should get to represent your conference in the tournament. It's fair. Why should a 9-3 South Carolina get to go over a conference champion? Just because they are runners up in a big time conference? UCF beat UGA. South Florida beat Clemson. If somebody wants to argue who should get one of the 5 at large bids either Bama or SC, that I get. Those teams not in the 16, will still go to bowl games.

South Carolina wouldn't get to go. If anyone did, it would be Arkansas. Arkansas lost one game to the likely national champs and one to the defending national champs.

UCF was a conference champion and was lucky to beat an SEC team with a 3-5 conference record. I'm sure a first round matchup of them with Oregon would be lovely.

 

[justingroves]

Just do a plus 1 or 4 team playoff and be done with it.

I believe a plus one is the closest we'll come to a playoff.

 

[vol66]

Some of the critics of a playoff say it's tough to get a fanbase to mobilize several weeks in a row to various locations. With your example, this is eliminated somewhat with the home team getting home field throughout like the NFL.

I'm an old-timer, so I like the bowls and think they could be used in a playoff scenario...especially a 16-team format.

Me too, I'm an old timer as well and I used to like the bowls. I especially liked it when it all ended on New Years Day, watching 3 TVs at once.

It saddens me now, that a team like Va. Tech would actually LOSE money by participating in a bowl game. They are not the only ones.

There's a lot of corruption in the current system. It's time to for the NCAA Div. 1 Champ to be decided on the field, not by polls and bowls with tie ins and AQ's and all that junk.

 

[vol66]

South Carolina wouldn't get to go. If anyone did, it would be Arkansas. Arkansas lost one game to the likely national champs and one to the defending national champs.

UCF was a conference champion and was lucky to beat an SEC team with a 3-5 conference record. I'm sure a first round matchup of them with Oregon would be lovely.

In my version, arkansas was included as an at large bid, so I wrongly assumed you thought it should include another SEC school INSTEAD of the conference champion from the Sun Belt. I see your point, I simply disagree. I think Oregon vs. FIU, or Ohio, or UConn is lovely actually. But then again, I like the first round of the Basketball Tourney too.