Pocono - Pole

#27
#27
It wasn't all due to the rain he was .500 seconds off the pace in the early going.. the few drivers before him had to deal with it and manage.. his car wasn't top 10 material.
 
#28
#28
Nothing Junior does will ever be good enough for some people. He's not the first guy to catch a break... in fact, he hardly ever gets one, while others get them all the time. Yet people still have to begrudge him one itsy bitsy little moment of joy. Little bit of advice... get over it... whatever "it" is. :rolleyes:
 
#30
#30
Bassmanbruno said:
It wasn't all due to the rain he was .500 seconds off the pace in the early going.. the few drivers before him had to deal with it and manage.. his car wasn't top 10 material.
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No one said he would've won the pole under normal conditions... but he was in the top 15 in practice and going that late might've been enough to to put him around 10th or so. He said himself that he probably would've only qualified 10th to 15th. He caught a break with the weather cooling the track down... just like the 8 or 9 guys who qualified after him.
 
#31
#31
tidwell said:
No one said he would've won the pole under normal conditions... but he was in the top 15 in practice and going that late might've been enough to to put him around 10th or so. He said himself that he probably would've only qualified 10th to 15th. He caught a break with the weather cooling the track down... just like the 8 or 9 guys who qualified after him.
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Guys catch lucky breaks all the time, nobody says anything. Junior catches a lucky break once every 3138457 races, and the whining starts. :rolleyes:
 
#32
#32
Hate, hate, hate!

It'll be OK though, he's about due to get ran over by someone during the actual race. Been about a month since that happened, lol.
 
#33
#33
with 12th and 13th in the points starting 1 and 2, i can only hope 12th in points gets ran over.
 
#34
#34
And we all will continue to hate on Junior - since over 1/2 of the NASCAR fanbase loves him for the sole reason of who his dad was. Right now Junior is like the bandwagon team of USC in CFB but about 10x worse.

I respect Junior and all but he is going to be the most popular driver never to win a championship.
 
#35
#35
I wasn't a Dale Sr fan.... I only like him because of who his son is.

With a post like the one you just made, if ignorance is bliss.... then you must be an extremely happy person.
 
#36
#36
Bassmanbruno said:
And we all will continue to hate on Junior - since over 1/2 of the NASCAR fanbase loves him for the sole reason of who his dad was. Right now Junior is like the bandwagon team of USC in CFB but about 10x worse.

I respect Junior and all but he is going to be the most popular driver never to win a championship.
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:eek:lol:

I love how people always qualify it as "Well, I like Jr. and all, but I don't like his fans!"... and then top it off with an absolute statement about will or won't happen in the future, to boot.
 
#38
#38
Facts are facts. Junior isn't a top 5 maybe not even a top 10 driver in todays times. Maybe you all are the ignorant ones? - Blinded by all the hype and millions of fans. As for Junior fans before Dale was killed - they're all fine and dandy in my book. But Junior's fan base probably tripled after his dad died. And it all really sucks for him.. he has the expectations to be the best driver out there and he's not even close.

If I had to bet - I would definetly put money down that he wouldn't win a championship rather than would.
 
#39
#39
Yeah, ranking in the top 5 in wins, laps led, points accumulated, tops 5s, and top 10s during his tenure in the Cup Series is all just a fluke. Ignorance, anyone? Keep on believing, what you want to think as fact may just come true some day.

Large amounts of fans does not equal great expectations. The Cubs are one of the most popular teams in baseball, but no one expects them to contend for championships. Anyone that expected Jr. to live up to his father are fools. No rookie is or should be expected to come in and rack up championships.
 
#40
#40
Yeah and let's just see how do he does without his DEI setup at Dega and Daytona? Since that seems to be the races he can really consistently win. Keep believing that but he will be a bubble driver for most of his career.. and if you don't think junior has higher expectations than anyone racing right now then you need to take the those Budweiser goggles off and look around at some of you fellow fans - who consist of probably 75% bandwagon fans.
 
#41
#41
Clearly you don't watch much of NASCAR. TEI hasn't had good cars consistently at Daytona and Talladega since 2004. I guess they used the same restrictor plate setup for his 3 wins at Richmond his 2 wins at Phoenix, right?

Bubble driver? Was he a bubble driver in 2004 when he won 6 races and led the points for much of the season? Or in 2003 when he was in the top 3 in points for the entire season? Maybe even in 2006 when he made the Chase comfortably? Yeah, I'm the one wearing the goggles.

Like I said, the only people that have the ridiculously high expectations are the fools that know nothing about racing (yes, many Jr. fans. I can't stand the majority of them.) and expect a guy to come in and just win all the time. It doesn't work that way.

Little confused... you say he's not a top 10 driver, but then claim his fans to be on the bandwagon. What bandwagon? Wouldn't a driver have to be successful to have a bandwagon? Great job contradicting yourself... but, please continue with how it's Jr.'s fans that you don't like.
 
#42
#42
tidwell said:
Clearly you don't watch much of NASCAR. TEI hasn't had good cars consistently at Daytona and Talladega since 2004. I guess they used the same restrictor plate setup for his 3 wins at Richmond his 2 wins at Phoenix, right?

Bubble driver? Was he a bubble driver in 2004 when he won 6 races and led the points for much of the season? Or in 2003 when he was in the top 3 in points for the entire season? Maybe even in 2006 when he made the Chase comfortably? Yeah, I'm the one wearing the goggles.

Like I said, the only people that have the ridiculously high expectations are the fools that know nothing about racing (yes, many Jr. fans. I can't stand the majority of them.) and expect a guy to come in and just win all the time. It doesn't work that way.

Little confused... you say he's not a top 10 driver, but then claim his fans to be on the bandwagon. What bandwagon? Wouldn't a driver have to be successful to have a bandwagon? Great job contradicting yourself... but, please continue with how it's Jr.'s fans that you don't like.
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Oh goodness... that was good. :)

Some people need to let it go and get a life.... :horse:
 
#43
#43
Mr. and Mrs. Tidwell your teaming up on me is rather pathetic but anyway.. people can and DO have bandwagon fans whether or not they are dominating... like I said.. Juniors bandwagon fans come from his dad...

You guys make him out to be a legend... he hasn't won a championship and arguably never will... facts are facts. The amount of races he has one in a 2 year period pales in comparison to most of the elite drivers. He did have a great start to his career but has slipped up some what recently. Facts are facts but there's no point in arguing with extreme Junior homers.. it's like trying to tell me Tennessee is a pathetic football program.. it won't register - but seriously whatever makes you happy keep living in the fantasy world where Junior rules all.

Oooh - that was good.. wasn't it? Some people just need to let it go and get a life... :horse:
 
#44
#44
Bassmanbruno said:
Mr. and Mrs. Tidwell your teaming up on me is rather pathetic but anyway.. people can and DO have bandwagon fans whether or not they are dominating... like I said.. Juniors bandwagon fans come from his dad...

You guys make him out to be a legend... he hasn't won a championship and arguably never will... facts are facts. The amount of races he has one in a 2 year period pales in comparison to most of the elite drivers. He did have a great start to his career but has slipped up some what recently. Facts are facts but there's no point in arguing with extreme Junior homers.. it's like trying to tell me Tennessee is a pathetic football program.. it won't register - but seriously whatever makes you happy keep living in the fantasy world where Junior rules all.

Oooh - that was good.. wasn't it? Some people just need to let it go and get a life... :horse:
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:thumbsup:
 
#45
#45
We aren't teaming up on you, we're both Junior fans who happen to disagree with you. Both of us were Junior fans before we met.. so it's not like one of us is blindly following the other.

I have never made Junior out to be a legend, I just don't think that he's the talentless bum that you make him out to be. There's a difference....

Most of the Junior fans I've come across didn't become fans until after Dale Sr died... therefore they were never fans of his. I tend to find that Kevin Harvick has a lot of Dale Sr's fans.... and most of them hate Junior. Nobody ever gets on Harvick's case about the fans he inherited... and he's like the 4th or 5th most popular driver. Junior has accomplished a hell of a lot more than Kevin has, too.

Oh... and about that last line of yours.... mocking people like that is so child-like.
 
#47
#47
By the way, I'm done with this. We could go back and forth forever, but we'll never change each other's minds. Quite frankly, I'm sick of defending Junior against people who obviously just love to bash him because it's the 'cool' thing to do. I don't know why I bother, I know how I feel and I know that nobody will change that... so what you or anyone else thinks doesn't matter in the least.
 
#48
#48
Laura said:
By the way, I'm done with this. We could go back and forth forever, but we'll never change each other's minds. Quite frankly, I'm sick of defending Junior against people who obviously just love to bash him because it's the 'cool' thing to do. I don't know why I bother, I know how I feel and I know that nobody will change that... so what you or anyone else thinks doesn't matter in the least.
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I didn't mock you - I just happened to use the same point you did and I feel its stupid to be a Junior fan with the masses just like you feel it's stupid to bash Junior. I also never said or made him out to be a talentless bum - I said he's not an elite driver.

I just think it is ridiculous when 2/3rds of the grandstand at whatever race is filled with Budweiser shirts on Sunday.

And it's not the "cool" thing to do - the "cool" thing to do is obviously forget whatever driver you previously pulled for and put on a #8 hat. Maybe ducktape a #8 on your Chevy pickup when you're on the way to the race track while drinking a Bud and shout "JUNIOR ROCKS!" proceeded by tons of screaming from everything other car stuck in traffic in the area.. (yes - I have experienced this many times on race day)

Anyway - you're right no point in arguing about it when we all have drastic views on the situation that aren't going to change.
 
#50
#50
Bassmanbruno said:
I didn't mock you - I just happened to use the same point you did and I feel its stupid to be a Junior fan with the masses just like you feel it's stupid to bash Junior. I also never said or made him out to be a talentless bum - I said he's not an elite driver.

I just think it is ridiculous when 2/3rds of the grandstand at whatever race is filled with Budweiser shirts on Sunday.

And it's not the "cool" thing to do - the "cool" thing to do is obviously forget whatever driver you previously pulled for and put on a #8 hat. Maybe ducktape a #8 on your Chevy pickup when you're on the way to the race track while drinking a Bud and shout "JUNIOR ROCKS!" proceeded by tons of screaming from everything other car stuck in traffic in the area.. (yes - I have experienced this many times on race day)

Anyway - you're right no point in arguing about it when we all have drastic views on the situation that aren't going to change.
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Fair enough. :mf_surrender:
 
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