"Poet" invited to White House

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....Eazy-E had no problem getting into the white house.
 
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CaVOLfn said:
So lowgator, are you black or a minority? Everytime I checkout a thread like this you give the strong appearance as if severely offended by someones opinion. Just trying to make sense of it in my head
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Just wish people who dislike Obama primarily or even solely because he's black had the nerve to admit it. Can't abide the cowardice of those who hide behind disingenuous arguments and insinuation built upon rumor and thinly disguised stereotype.

They aren't fooling anyone, I know that, but it irritates me nonetheless.
 
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Questiom is if this was a white musician talking about killing black people and calling them the N word too would the same people who are ok with Common going to the WH be ok with the whote racist going to the WH if Bush was still in office?

I would say no.

That is a double standard.
 
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It's funny how some people in here claim that they can derive the depth and meaning of that poem from part of one stanza.

The poem, as I understand it, is about the paradox that is living in the inner city; the desire for peace, justice, and escape from drugs and addiction versus the harsh world they live in. That world is violent. He talks about how basically, people in inner city Cincinnati have to walk around armed because the police are not there so much to protect them as they are there to wage war against them to protect and placate the middle and upper class. If anyone thinks this is something expressed only by impoverished African-Americans, maybe they should read Voltaire and see that he says the same thing in the 18th Century.

He metaphorically calls for the burning of Bush, and he moves right on past it. The poem ends with a very complex notion: "I wave the peace sign but I carry a gun."

It is actually one of the better modern poems; it is iambic, not that avant-garde vers libre BS that has been polluting the poetry scene for the past thirty years.

For those that are interested, check it out.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Just wish people who dislike Obama primarily or even solely because he's black had the nerve to admit it. Can't abide the cowardice of those who hide behind disingenuous arguments and insinuation built upon rumor and thinly disguised stereotype.

They aren't fooling anyone, I know that, but it irritates me nonetheless.
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I'm the admitted Tea party, white guy on here LG.

I can't stand the POTUS. I hope he loses in 2012.

AM I a racist in your eyes?
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Debatable. This is Common, not Immortal Technique. It's hard to say that "burning Bushes" only means to kill.
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Nobody would have ever known or cared about Common showing up if some of these GOp'ers would have just kept their mouths shut. This guy is a marginal mainstream rapper, and even that is a stretch, folks. Now this guy that you've blasted is going to get increased record sales. They made this guy richer and gave him more airtime than he ever could have earned on his own.

Relax folks. This is silly.

I could see if they had invited Lil Wayne. Then that is a real cause for concern. Common is small change...
 
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lawgator1 said:
Just wish people who dislike Obama primarily or even solely because he's black had the nerve to admit it. Can't abide the cowardice of those who hide behind disingenuous arguments and insinuation built upon rumor and thinly disguised stereotype.

They aren't fooling anyone, I know that, but it irritates me nonetheless.
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I despise Obama, but it has nothing to do with him being half black. I hate his policies, I believe his polices will destroy us. That has nothing to do with his color.
 
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therealUT said:
It's funny how some people in here claim that they can derive the depth and meaning of that poem from part of one stanza.

The poem, as I understand it, is about the paradox that is living in the inner city; the desire for peace, justice, and escape from drugs and addiction versus the harsh world they live in. That world is violent. He talks about how basically, people in inner city Cincinnati have to walk around armed because the police are not there so much to protect them as they are there to wage war against them to protect and placate the middle and upper class. If anyone thinks this is something expressed only by impoverished African-Americans, maybe they should read Voltaire and see that he says the same thing in the 18th Century.

He metaphorically calls for the burning of Bush, and he moves right on past it. The poem ends with a very complex notion: "I wave the peace sign but I carry a gun."

It is actually one of the better modern poems; it is iambic, not that avant-garde vers libre BS that has been polluting the poetry scene for the past thirty years.

For those that are interested, check it out.
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So it is acceptable to talk about killing a former President and talk about killing cops? He certainly has the right to say these things but it's ridiculous he gets an invitation to the White House, however I am not really surprised.

I would like to see your reaction if the next President brings in a "poet" who talks about killing Obama.
 
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volfanjustin said:
So it is acceptable to talk about killing a former President and talk about killing cops? He certainly has the right to say these things but it's ridiculous he gets an invitation to the White House, however I am not really surprised.
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Obviously, you have absolutely zero understanding of metaphor and poetry.

volfanjustin said:
I would like to see your reaction if the next President brings in a "poet" who talks about killing Obama.
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I still find it humorous that you continue to state that I am some kind of Obamaphile, when a tiny bit of research on this board would provide you with five years of posts that speak to the exact opposite.
 
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therealUT said:
Obviously, you have absolutely zero understanding of metaphor and poetry.



I still find it humorous that you continue to state that I am some kind of Obamaphile, when a tiny bit of research on this board would provide you with five years of posts that speak to the exact opposite.
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Pure double standard
 
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This is one of the dumber outrages of the right wingers, a group seemingly in need of daily hysteria for survival. In order to criticize the guy, you had to find one line from an obscure poem 4 years ago and ignore a swath of his writing s that show the exact opposite of their accusations. Even that one line is problematic because it's an obious play on words (hint: it comes from a very famous book) that clearly references something other than a simplistic killing of a person.

In essence, this "controversy" is another staged outrage by Fox News and the ubiquitous Bush Administration members who've made their appearance on the channel their new source of employment. More directly, this stupidity over a rapper that actually is the opposite of their accusations is really just another tit for tat in their agenda against the Obama Administration.
 
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therealUT said:
Where was the double standard?
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It's clearly a double standard, it's a metaphor when a liberal President brings in a poet who talks about killing a former President and cops. It would be a different story if a R President brought in a guy who talks about killing Obama.
 
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volfanjustin said:
It's clearly a double standard, it's a metaphor when a liberal President brings in a poet who talks about killing a former President and cops. It would be a different story if a R President brought in a guy who talks about killing Obama.
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Hmm...I find it interesting that you were able to come to that conclusion when I posted the following:

I still find it humorous that you continue to state that I am some kind of Obamaphile, when a tiny bit of research on this board would provide you with five years of posts that speak to the exact opposite.
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To clear this up for your simple mind: I am not an Obamaphile. I have never voted for the man and would never vote for the man. If Bush (whom I voted for twice) and/or any GOP President invited a poet to the White House who was being labeled as a "cop-killer" and/or someone who is trying to incite someone to assassinate the President, when that is clearly not the intention of his entire catalog of work, I would be saying the same things I am saying here.

I'm shocked that I actually had to enumerate that point; it certainly leads me to the conclusion that you do not know what the term "Obamaphile" means.
 
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therealUT said:
Hmm...I find it interesting that you were able to come to that conclusion when I posted the following:



To clear this up for your simple mind: I am not an Obamaphile. I have never voted for the man and would never vote for the man. If Bush (whom I voted for twice) and/or any GOP President invited a poet to the White House who was being labeled as a "cop-killer" and/or someone who is trying to incite someone to assassinate the President, when that is clearly not the intention of his entire catalog of work, I would be saying the same things I am saying here.

I'm shocked that I actually had to enumerate that point; it certainly leads me to the conclusion that you do not know what the term "Obamaphile" means.
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Or, it means I don't care who you say you have voted for and who you have not. Your endless defense of this group says a lot more than who you say you have voted for and not voted for.
 
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volfanjustin said:
Or, it means I don't care who you say you have voted for and who you have not. Your endless defense of this group says a lot more than who you say you have voted for and not voted for.
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You are correct. My endless defense of this group in the name of objectivity and truth says a great bit about who I am.

If you want to attack the POTUS on policy, feel free to attack the policies. I have done that plenty. If you want to attack the POTUS on personal issues, I will call you out on it and take no part in the attack.

The POTUS can invite whomever they want to the White House; it is his residence. I could care less whether the POTUS listens to Common, the Coup, Lynard Skinner, Mozart, Elvis, Frank Sinatra, et cetera, ad infinitum. I could care less about whether or not the POTUS attends worship regularly, whether or not that is at a Cathedral, a Church, a Mosque, a Synagogue, or a Temple. I could care less whether the POTUS decides to sleep with men or women, whether he is monogamous, whether he is polyamorous, or whether he likes to get tied up with a ball gag and whipped by some kinky dungeon master.

I care what the POTUS does as far as policy. I do not agree with many of the policies that Obama has pushed for; I have made that known in discussions concerning that policy. You seem to think it is alright to attack the person on personal issues though in an effort to remove him from power because you and your ilk cannot focus on and debate the minutiae of the policies.

Your shortcomings are not my fault.
 
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Its obvious in 99% of the political posts here and anywhere else I've heard the arguments that every comment made on side or the other are worthless. Unless someone is weak minded they are not going to change their views or opinions because of someone (identical to them) but fighting for the other side says. There are so many ignorant people in this damn country. Kids in school learning politics regurgitating what their professors beliefs are ( and not being smart enough to realize what they are doing) , one side refusing to accept anything, the other side trying harder to repel anything that challenges their beliefs. Botttom line, individuals are smart, people as a group are stupid.
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therealUT said:
You are correct. My endless defense of this group in the name of objectivity and truth says a great bit about who I am.

If you want to attack the POTUS on policy, feel free to attack the policies. I have done that plenty. If you want to attack the POTUS on personal issues, I will call you out on it and take no part in the attack.

The POTUS can invite whomever they want to the White House; it is his residence. I could care less whether the POTUS listens to Common, the Coup, Lynard Skinner, Mozart, Elvis, Frank Sinatra, et cetera, ad infinitum. I could care less about whether or not the POTUS attends worship regularly, whether or not that is at a Cathedral, a Church, a Mosque, a Synagogue, or a Temple. I could care less whether the POTUS decides to sleep with men or women, whether he is monogamous, whether he is polyamorous, or whether he likes to get tied up with a ball gag and whipped by some kinky dungeon master.

I care what the POTUS does as far as policy. I do not agree with many of the policies that Obama has pushed for; I have made that known in discussions concerning that policy. You seem to think it is alright to attack the person on personal issues though in an effort to remove him from power because you and your ilk cannot focus on and debate the minutiae of the policies.

Your shortcomings are not my fault.
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Really? I don't think it his house.

Just to be clear, yes or no. It's ok to bring someone in our house who talks about killing cops and former Presidents? It's ok to invite a guy who sits in a church and listen to a guy say "damn America"?
 
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volfanjustin said:
Really? I don't think it his house.
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The White House is the President's residence.

volfanjustin said:
Just to be clear, yes or no. It's ok to bring someone in our house who talks about killing cops and former Presidents? It's ok to invite a guy who sits in a church and listen to a guy say "damn America"?
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Is the guy wanted for crimes and being provided sanctuary by the President? Or, is the guy merely expressing his First Amendment Rights to say whatever he feels like saying?

You want clarity, here it is: yes, it is okay.
 
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volfanjustin said:
It's clearly a double standard, it's a metaphor when a liberal President brings in a poet who talks about killing a former President and cops. It would be a different story if a R President brought in a guy who talks about killing Obama.
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It might be, if the President were actually doing this. Of course, the point is that Common isn't advocating either of these things.
 
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Unimane said:
This is one of the dumber outrages of the right wingers, a group seemingly in need of daily hysteria for survival. In order to criticize the guy, you had to find one line from an obscure poem 4 years ago and ignore a swath of his writing s that show the exact opposite of their accusations. Even that one line is problematic because it's an obious play on words (hint: it comes from a very famous book) that clearly references something other than a simplistic killing of a person.

In essence, this "controversy" is another staged outrage by Fox News and the ubiquitous Bush Administration members who've made their appearance on the channel their new source of employment. More directly, this stupidity over a rapper that actually is the opposite of their accusations is really just another tit for tat in their agenda against the Obama Administration.
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You can mince the words all you'd like, butit won't change them and the context around them has nothing to do with poetry. Your last paragraph is just garbage. I don't have an agenda because I'm powerless to do anything about Obama. He's just another in a long line of sorry ass politicians. If yore saying Fox has a political agenda, you're jar a simpleton.
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BigPapaVol said:
You can mince the words all you'd like, butit won't change them and the context around them has nothing to do with poetry.
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Come on, BPV. I know that you know better than this. We didn't have to memorize and recite Ozymandias in order to take every line literally and autonomously.
 
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