"Poet" invited to White House

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BigPapaVol said:
You can mince the words all you'd like, butit won't change them and the context around them has nothing to do with poetry. Your last paragraph is just garbage. I don't have an agenda because I'm powerless to do anything about Obama. He's just another in a long line of sorry ass politicians. If yore saying Fox has a political agenda, you're jar a simpleton.
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So sad, I had held you in higher regard than this. Hell, your opinion wasn't even in my mind in my first post. If you can't understand context and the fact that "burning a Bush" doesn't mean killing him, especially if you knew the meaning Common puts into his lyrics (Hint: the "uzi" part isn't really about a gun.), then you wouldn't have posted your nonsense.

Instead, you meander through some side issue about Obama I didn't even mention and excuse the obvious political hack job this contrived non-issue is. Your sentences are borderline non-sensical as it is, jumping from one point to another. Simpleton post, really.
 
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Unimane said:
So sad, I had held you in higher regard than this. Hell, your opinion wasn't even in my mind in my first post. If you can't understand context and the fact that "burning a Bush" doesn't mean killing him, especially if you knew the meaning Common puts into his lyrics (Hint: the "uzi" part isn't really about a gun.), then you wouldn't have posted your nonsense.

Instead, you meander through some side issue about Obama I didn't even mention and excuse the obvious political hack job this contrived non-issue is. Your sentences are borderline non-sensical as it is, jumping from one point to another. Simpleton post, really.
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but i bet you think palin was telling her followers to eliminate specific dem candidates right?
 
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droski said:
but i bet you think palin was telling her followers to eliminate specific dem candidates right?
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interesting point - we've seen those on the left stretch and infuse with nefarious meaning all sorts of comments (cue LG).
 
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“Tell the law my Uzi weighs a ton …

“Flyer say Free Mumia on my freezer,” he raps in another. Mumia Abu-Jamal is an incarcerated former member of the Black Panther Party who was convicted in 1981 for killing a Philadelphia police officer. Agitating for his release from prison has become a cause for many leftwing activists.

Common named his daughter after Assata Shakur, a Black Panther who was convicted of first-degree murder 1977. She escaped from prison and exiled to Cuba. The FBI recognizes her as a domestic terrorist.
 
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obama has some friendly buddies. of course this couldn't possibly mean he holds any of these views himself. . .
 
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droski said:
obama has some friendly buddies. of course this couldn't possibly mean he holds any of these views himself. . .
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It is possible that he could. If he proposes legislation to decriminalize the murder of police and/or the assassination of officials, then I will perk my ears up. If he ends up pardoning and/or commuting sentences of convicted murderers, then I will perk my ears up.

Until then, it is a non-issue.
 
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In this case it is a non-issue but taken as a whole (his comments and the people he has associated with) it does paint a picture for me of Obama's views - views which I do not share.
 
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therealUT said:
It is possible that he could. If he proposes legislation to decriminalize the murder of police and/or the assassination of officials, then I will perk my ears up. If he ends up pardoning and/or commuting sentences of convicted murderers, then I will perk my ears up.

Until then, it is a non-issue.
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bet you $10 that when he's a lame duck president he goes and pardons every black panther ******* in prison.

Unimane said:
Nope, but I do think she was being irresponsible and careless with her comments.
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and this guy wasn't being irresponsible and careless?
 
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droski said:
bet you $10 that when he's a lame duck president he goes and pardons every black panther ******* in prison.
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It is a possibility; however, if Bush did not fully pardon Libby, then I am not sure that Obama pardons a lot of people who are convicted of murderer, whether he wants to or not. The DNC will make it known to him that doing so will damage the party; as well, I am sure that there are plenty of members in the DNC (as is the norm for all politics at all levels) that have plenty of dirt on Obama that he will still want to be kept secret. If he is hell bent on pardoning certain persons, he will be forced to make a decision between his own pride and hubris or his ideology and support for certain ideologues. I presume that Obama would choose himself.
 
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volfanjustin said:
“Tell the law my Uzi weighs a ton …

“Flyer say Free Mumia on my freezer,” he raps in another. Mumia Abu-Jamal is an incarcerated former member of the Black Panther Party who was convicted in 1981 for killing a Philadelphia police officer. Agitating for his release from prison has become a cause for many leftwing activists.

Common named his daughter after Assata Shakur, a Black Panther who was convicted of first-degree murder 1977. She escaped from prison and exiled to Cuba. The FBI recognizes her as a domestic terrorist.
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The Uzi reference is to a Public Enemy song and refers to the mind, i.e. the mind can work as much as a powerful weapon. Also, those two cases are instances in which people feel either they are completely innocent (Mumia) or victims of abuse (Shakur). It's a case of him supporting those he feels have been abused and not an advocation to kill police, like the NWA song of "F- tha Police". That was pretty clear cut.

I think it's pretty obvious you don't understand the nature of Common's approach and the meaning of his lyrics. I'm not the biggest Common fan, but it's not difficult to discern he's not nearly the type of rapper you are suggesting.
 
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Unimane said:
The Uzi reference is to a Public Enemy song and refers to the mind, i.e. the mind can work as much as a powerful weapon. Also, those two cases are instances in which people feel either they are completely innocent (Mumia) or victims of abuse (Shakur). It's a case of him supporting those he feels have been abused and not an advocation to kill police, like the NWA song of "F- tha Police". That was pretty clear cut.

I think it's pretty obvious you don't understand the nature of Common's approach and the meaning of his lyrics. I'm not the biggest Common fan, but it's not difficult to discern he's not nearly the type of rapper you are suggesting.
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and the target for palin was refering to voting people out of office, but apparently actually refering to killing people isn't irresponsible and careless.
 
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volinbham said:
would you say the same for Common or are "artists" immune from such judgements?
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Nol, but he wasn't being careless. People aren't willing or able to understand the difference between a metaphor in poetry as opposed to someone like Palin, who is pretty much incapable of creating deeper meanings in her sayings. Now, if we are talking about "Cop Killer" by Ice-T, well, then I would say that people have a point. Not so with a more political, thoughtful and wholly non-violent rapper in Common, who reapproriates violent images for non-violent ideas.

It really isn't that difficult to determine the difference in the two people's statements, unless, of course, it doesn't fit the narrative you are selling.
 
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Unimane said:
The Uzi reference is to a Public Enemy song and refers to the mind, i.e. the mind can work as much as a powerful weapon. Also, those two cases are instances in which people feel either they are completely innocent (Mumia) or victims of abuse (Shakur). It's a case of him supporting those he feels have been abused and not an advocation to kill police, like the NWA song of "F- tha Police". That was pretty clear cut.

I think it's pretty obvious you don't understand the nature of Common's approach and the meaning of his lyrics. I'm not the biggest Common fan, but it's not difficult to discern he's not nearly the type of rapper you are suggesting.
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I don't care what kind of rapper he is, I don't care what he says. He should be able to say kill Bush and kill every cop in America if he wants. My problem is that he gets an invite to White House. With this guy and all of his other associates we get a clearer picture of who Barack Hussein Obama really is.
 
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droski said:
and the target for palin was refering to voting people out of office, but apparently actually refering to killing people is irresponsible and careless.
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only if you are on the opposite side politically - otherwise, it is creative use of imagery.
 
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volfanjustin said:
I don't care what kind of rapper he is, I don't care what he says. He should be able to say kill Bush and kill every cop in America if he wants. My problem is that he gets an invite to White House. With this guy and all of his other associates we get a clearer picture of who Barack Hussein Obama really is.
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Guilt by association: a common and reoccurring theme weaved throughout our Constitution and the earliest legislation in America.
 
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droski said:
and the target for palin was refering to voting people out of office, but apparently actually refering to killing people is irresponsible and careless.
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I would agree, to an extent, especially on the second part, but it's not what he was doing.
 
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Unimane said:
Nol, but he wasn't being careless. People aren't willing or able to understand the difference between a metaphor in poetry as opposed to someone like Palin, who is pretty much incapable of creating deeper meanings in her sayings. Now, if we are talking about "Cop Killer" by Ice-T, well, then I would say that people have a point. Not so with a more political, thoughtful and wholly non-violent rapper in Common, who reapproriates violent images for non-violent ideas.

It really isn't that difficult to determine the difference in the two people's statements, unless, of course, it doesn't fit the narrative you are selling.
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if you think it took a brilliant interpretation by the audience to realize palin wasn't talking about killing people you are beyond all hope.
 
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Unimane said:
Nol, but he wasn't being careless. People aren't willing or able to understand the difference between a metaphor in poetry as opposed to someone like Palin, who is pretty much incapable of creating deeper meanings in her sayings. Now, if we are talking about "Cop Killer" by Ice-T, well, then I would say that people have a point. Not so with a more political, thoughtful and wholly non-violent rapper in Common, who reapproriates violent images for non-violent ideas.

It really isn't that difficult to determine the difference in the two people's statements, unless, of course, it doesn't fit the narrative you are selling.
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Who's selling a narrative here? Common is deep, thoughtful - Palin is a moron.

Please. You dislike Palin so you attribute all sorts of meaning to her comments that weren't there and call her irresponsible. You like Common (maybe Obama) so you call him deep and suggest anyone seeing irresponsibility in his words is a dupe, right wing loony or just incapable of seeing art.

Real open minded of you.
 
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droski said:
if you think it took a brilliant interpretation by the audience to realize palin wasn't talking about killing people you are beyond all hope.
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And, how hard is to read my post and see that I didn't say that?
 
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