"Poet" invited to White House

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volinbham said:
So expression should in no way be punished - I agree.

Sorry about that Trent Lott. I guess the far right was responsible for that too.
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Lott got a raw deal on that one, imo.

But, I thought at the time, and still think now, that there was something more going on there than meets the eye.
 
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Ironically, the day before or day after they are hosting a police memorial honoring fallen policemen/women from across the country. Bad timing that the WH invites a guy who believes two cop killers should be freed.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Lott got a raw deal on that one, imo.

But, I thought at the time, and still think now, that there was something more going on there than meets the eye.
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Sure there was - because he was a Republican and lefties would never attack someone for innocent comments.
 
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utfantilidie said:
I'm in your corner BPV on this matter.
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The term "corner" used in this manner would denote a boxing ring. Literally, you would be saying that you actively support BPV throwing punches at another who counters his view.

Or, we could take your statement metaphorically...
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Jerry Falwell stated the US deserved what it got on 911 for putting up with too many shenanigans from the gay community. This is a man who could reportedly get Karl Rove on the phone anytime he wanted.

This all works both ways. This faux outrage, like that from the left when Bush was president, is nauseating.
 
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rjd970 said:
Jerry Falwell stated the US deserved what it got on 911 for putting up with too many shenanigans from the gay community. This is a man who could reportedly get Karl Rove on the phone anytime he wanted.

This all works both ways. This faux outrage, like that from the left when Bush was president, is nauseating.
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^
This.


Both sides want to paint the other as linked to, or beholden to, the least liked element of their respective sides of the political spectrum.
 
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kptvol said:
I have no idea what Common's lyrics are about, but the Cash songs you're referencing certainly aren't promotions or glamorizations of murder.
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And Common's music is in no way an endorsement of violence against police or murder of anybody. Dude has been known his whole career as one of the squeaky clean guys. He does major movies and ads for the Gap for farks sake.
 
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kptvol said:
Don't care. Just pointing an incorrect interpretation of Cash's lyrics.
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I mean, where's the bad interpretation? Dude snorted some yak and killed a woman in the song.

You missed the point... which was that dudes like Johnny are neither better nor worse than cats like Common.
 
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Well... I'd rather listen to Cash than Common, but that's beside the point.

The point is that some silly talkshow hosts (I'm not naming any names, people on Fox News) saw a guy get invited to the WH, looked at a snippet of a single poem he wrote, incorrectly interpreted it as advocation of violence or killing GW Bush and then had a nice little feigned outrage sesh for the day.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
I mean, where's the bad interpretation? Dude snorted some yak and killed a woman in the song.

You missed the point... which was that dudes like Johnny are neither better nor worse than cats like Common.
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He said Cash's lyrics promote violence. I said they didn't and if you listen to the rest of the lyrics I think it's pretty obvious he tells the story of a murderer but definitely doesn't paint murder as something that will work out well. End of story.
 
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milohimself said:
Well... I'd rather listen to Cash than Common, but that's beside the point.

The point is that some silly talkshow hosts (I'm not naming any names, people on Fox News) saw a guy get invited to the WH, looked at a snippet of a single poem he wrote, incorrectly interpreted it as advocation of violence or killing GW Bush and then had a nice little feigned outrage sesh for the day.
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Well because a certain robot whose name rhymes with Don Fannity really likes doing his homework when attempting to weed out the patriots from the Benedict Arnolds.
 
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kptvol said:
He said Cash's lyrics promote violence. I said they didn't and if you listen to the rest of the lyrics I think it's pretty obvious he tells the story of a murderer but definitely doesn't paint murder as something that will work out well. End of story.
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And Common does? Again, neither artist is more harmful than the other.

"End of story."
 
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kptvol said:
He said Cash's lyrics promote violence. I said they didn't and if you listen to the rest of the lyrics I think it's pretty obvious he tells the story of a murderer but definitely doesn't paint murder as something that will work out well. End of story.
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Just checking in with you to make sure you understood the point of what I was doing... I was being facetious, I do not actually believe that Cash's lyrics promote violence. Step by step:

1. Find artist
2. Take his lyrics out of context to make them look like they mean something they don't mean, such as drug use or violence
3. See said artist invited to an official meet with the POTUS
4. Feign outrage at the POTUS for inviting drug and violence-promoting artist to meet
 
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Well there is some difference. Common is making explicit political speech. Forget the Bush stuff. He explicitly sings about the unjust treatment of convicted cop killers - real people who killed real people.

That's more direct and real than "I Shot the Sheriff" or "Cocaine Blues" or "Delia".

In the end, it's not a big deal (1 on a scale of 1 to 10) but I think the timing is bad when today the WH honored cops killed in the line of duty and yesterday they honored a guy who sang about two convicted cop killers being unjustly treated.
 
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volinbham said:
Well there is some difference. Common is making explicit political speech. Forget the Bush stuff. He explicitly sings about the unjust treatment of convicted cop killers - real people who killed real people.

That's more direct and real than "I Shot the Sheriff" or "Cocaine Blues" or "Delia".

In the end, it's not a big deal (1 on a scale of 1 to 10) but I think the timing is bad when today the WH honored cops killed in the line of duty and yesterday they honored a guy who sang about two convicted cop killers being unjustly treated.
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Thank you.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
And Common does? Again, neither artist is more harmful than the other.

"End of story."
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Maybe you should show me where I said or even implied Common's lyrics do anything before you try to reuse my own words in a smartass fashion.

kptvol said:
I have no idea what Common's lyrics are about, but the Cash songs you're referencing certainly aren't promotions or glamorizations of murder.
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kptvol said:
Don't care. Just pointing an incorrect interpretation of Cash's lyrics.
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volinbham said:
Well there is some difference. Common is making explicit political speech. Forget the Bush stuff. He explicitly sings about the unjust treatment of convicted cop killers - real people who killed real people.

That's more direct and real than "I Shot the Sheriff" or "Cocaine Blues" or "Delia".

In the end, it's not a big deal (1 on a scale of 1 to 10) but I think the timing is bad when today the WH honored cops killed in the line of duty and yesterday they honored a guy who sang about two convicted cop killers being unjustly treated.
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I suppose I can go with that, it would mainly just cause certain sheepish people who wouldn't understand a social message through rap... i.e. the typical Hannity listener (and he was going after the Bush metaphor).

Speaking of which, just wanted to follow up with this little tidbit of Hannity in peak dipchit form for anybody who wants a good laugh:

YouTube - Ted Nugent insulting Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton
 
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