Police shooting black man in the back ... again (Kenosha, WI)

[0nelilreb]

The DA overcharged and he’s gonna eat those. He walks across the board on the murder charges but they’ve got him on misdemeanor firearm possession. That’s it.

This is my guess also

 

[BeardedVol]

The dude was running and being chased. He doesn’t have eyes in the back of his head

I don't think they will get him on first-degree intentional homicide of Rosenbaum, think the DA is overshooting so he can wrap up a plea bargain for 1 count of first-degree-reckless homicide for shooting Rosenbaum, and 1 count of second-degree-reckless-homicide for Huber, and in turn they drop the charges for shooting Grosskreutz since he was armed and there probably is a reasonable argument for self-defense in shooting him.

 

[ButchPlz]

Assuming you are talking about McGinnis' statement?

McGinnis told police he was walking with Rittenhouse and warning the teen he was not handling his weapon well. Shortly thereafter McGinnis then saw Rosenbaum and others moving quickly toward Rittenhouse. According to the complaint, Rosenbaum appears to throw a plastic bag at the teenager. The complaint states that Rosenbaum appears to be unarmed throughout the encounter. McGinnis told police he saw Rittenhouse raise the gun.
“McGinnis stated that the first round went into the ground and when the second shot went off the defendant actually had the gun aimed at Rosenbaum. McGinnis stated he did not hear the two exchange any words.”
The complaint states that McGinnis stated that Rosenbaum was attempting to grab the barrel of the gun when he was shot.

So you didn't read the last statement at all? Not at all?

Yeesh.

 

[golfballs]

I had dinner w a good friend of mine tonight who works for an analytics firm employed by some of the country’s biggest insurance firms and banks to set rates on their products. He said these riots are causing rates to increase in urban/minority areas. Which of course is common sense - don’t need a rocket scientist to understand that. Of course the riots are counterproductive. Dems pounce on this as further examples of racism. Which of course is their entire MO. Blame others, provoke chaos, benefit from chaos politically/financially, let constituency suffer from chaos, repeat.

 

[DancingOutlaw]

I got you. Here’s a longer version.

I hadn’t seen this longer version. Those final shots are problematic, if they hit anyone.

He's not firing at the end. His muzzle is down. It sounds like it's coming from the left?

 

[ButchPlz]

I had dinner w a good friend of mine tonight who works for an analytics firm employed by some of the country’s biggest insurance firms and banks to set rates on their products. He said these riots are causing rates to increase in urban/minority areas. Which of course is common sense - don’t need a rocket scientist to understand that. So in many ways they’re completely counterproductive. Dems of course will pounce on this as further examples of racism. Which of course is their entire MO. Blame others, provoke chaos, benefit from chaos politically/financially, let constituency suffer from chaos, repeat.

Same story plays out with grocery stores.

1. Grocery store is open in bad neighborhood
2. Grocery store gets robbed, loses inventory, increases prices to stay open
3. White liberals complain about overcharging and gouging, grocery store closes
4. White liberals complain about racist food deserts, never addressing the real problem

 

[BeardedVol]

This is where your argument breaks down and the prosecution case gets tough .. neither of you can prove what the kid was feeling at that moment . Reread what the self defense and their castle doctrine says .

Castle doctrine doesn't apply since he was not in his own home or on his propery. The crux will be whether or not 'provocation' occurred. You can't claim self-defense in a violent situation that you yourself created. If the DA makes the case that Rittenhouse created the violent situation by illegally shooting Rosenbaum, then it's going to be hard to sell a jury on self defense in the subsequent two shootings afterwards.

 

[ButchPlz]

Castle doctrine doesn't apply since he was not in his own home or on his propery. The crux will be whether or not 'provocation' occurred. You can't claim self-defense in a violent situation that you yourself created. If the DA makes the case that Rittenhouse created the violent situation by illegally shooting Rosenbaum, then it's going to be hard to sell a jury on self defense in the subsequent two shootings afterwards.

This is about the dumbest take I've seen in this thread since the guy that claimed food was "diversity".

 

[DancingOutlaw]

I had dinner w a good friend of mine tonight who works for an analytics firm employed by some of the country’s biggest insurance firms and banks to set rates on their products. He said these riots are causing rates to increase in urban/minority areas. Which of course is common sense - don’t need a rocket scientist to understand that. Of course the riots are counterproductive. Dems of course will pounce on this as further examples of racism. Which of course is their entire MO. Blame others, provoke chaos, benefit from chaos politically/financially, let constituency suffer from chaos, repeat.

And higher rates will drive businesses out of these neighborhoods. Which will decrease opportunities for those that live there and make it harder for them to create successful businesses. But damn it was all worth it.

 

[BeardedVol]

This is about the dumbest take I've seen in this thread since the guy that claimed food was "diversity".

Which part has gotten you so upset? You believe castle doctrine applies, or you don't agree that whether or not provocation occurred will be the crux of whether or not self-defense is applicable?

 

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

He's not firing at the end. His muzzle is down. It sounds like it's coming from the left?

I’m not sure enough to say for certain. The shots certainly sound different.

 

[ButchPlz]

Which party has gotten you so upset? You believe castle doctrine applies, or you don't agree that whether or not provocation occurred will be the crux of whether or not self-defense is applicable?

The fact that you decided to claim that self defense can't be claimed in a situation one creates themselves, which is very obviously not applicable in this case. I don't know how many different videos you have to be presented with, or how many times you have to read what you posted regarding testimony, but for whatever reason you're choosing ignorance.

This is what makes me mad. That, and you're up to bat for convicted human scum for some reason.

 

[RollinVol]

I got you. Here’s a longer version.

I hadn’t seen this longer version. Those final shots are problematic, if they hit anyone.

it seems when he fires back, those two shots are in response to 2-3 shots before that.

 

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

I had dinner w a good friend of mine tonight who works for an analytics firm employed by some of the country’s biggest insurance firms and banks to set rates on their products. He said these riots are causing rates to increase in urban/minority areas. Which of course is common sense - don’t need a rocket scientist to understand that. Of course the riots are counterproductive. Dems pounce on this as further examples of racism. Which of course is their entire MO. Blame others, provoke chaos, benefit from chaos politically/financially, let constituency suffer from chaos, repeat.

Is civil unrest covered under most policies?

 

[ButchPlz]

Is civil unrest covered under most policies?

From what I understand it is not.

 

[golfballs]

And higher rates will drive businesses out of these neighborhoods. Which will decrease opportunities for those that live there and make it harder for them to create successful businesses. But damn it was all worth it.

No doubt

 

[0nelilreb]

Castle doctrine doesn't apply since he was not in his own home or on his propery. The crux will be whether or not 'provocation' occurred. You can't claim self-defense in a violent situation that you yourself created. If the DA makes the case that Rittenhouse created the violent situation by illegally shooting Rosenbaum, then it's going to be hard to sell a jury on self defense in the subsequent two shootings afterwards.

You have to prove the kid himself created it and didn’t feel like he was in fear for his life or bodily harm .

 

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

From what I understand it is not.

Just great. All this COVID crap killing small business and these idiots are driving in the final nail in a lot of people’s life work. Infuriating!

 

[BeardedVol]

The fact that you decided to claim that self defense can't be claimed in a situation one creates themselves, which is very obviously not applicable in this case. I don't know how many different videos you have to be presented with, or how many times you have to read what you posted regarding testimony, but for whatever reason you're choosing ignorance.

You can't claim self defense in a violent situation that you yourself create, not in any states where I've read the laws concerning legal self-defense.. I didn't say that it couldn't be applied I said, that doing so, is going to depend on whether or not the DA proves that 'provocation' has occurred.

The video alone is not going to be the only evidence in the case, you are aware of that correct? Besides that, I don't think the videos themselves paint a clear cut case of self-defense. The DA apparently doesn't believe so either given the charges that he's leveled.

 

[RollinVol]

You can't claim self defense in a violent situation that you yourself create, not in any states where I've read the laws concerning legal self-defense.. I didn't say that it couldn't be applied I said, that doing so, is going to depend on whether or not the DA proves that 'provocation' has occurred.

The video alone is not going to be the only evidence in the case, you are aware of that correct? Besides that, I don't think the videos themselves paint a clear cut case of self-defense. The DA apparently doesn't believe so either given the charges that he's leveled.

You need to rethink your thoughts on DA’s not overcharging.

 

[Fun coupon VOL]

I got you. Here’s a longer version.

I hadn’t seen this longer version. Those final shots are problematic, if they hit anyone.

The guy he shot in the arm had a weapon and I believe is a felon. Could be wrong on the felon part.

 

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

The guy he shot in the arm had a weapon and I believe is a felon. Could be wrong on the felon part.

You’re correct.

 

[Septic]

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[BeardedVol]

You have to prove the kid himself created it and didn’t feel like he was in fear for his life or bodily harm .

True, but it's going to be hard to argue that a kid that owns and presumably has trained with an AR is so disturbed by the sound of a gunshot, that he was justified in shooting an unarmed man.

It will be interesting to see if the DA presents any evidence as to when Rosenbaum grabbed the rifle barrel. McGinnis' statement that I've read sounds like Rittenhouse drew down on him first and that he grabbed the barrel as he was shot the first time; might be able to parlay that into fear of losing his weapon and having it turned on him, but still going to be hard sell if he pointed it at Rosenbaum before he got his hands on the barrel.

 

[Septic]

You can't claim self defense in a violent situation that you yourself create, not in any states where I've read the laws concerning legal self-defense.. I didn't say that it couldn't be applied I said, that doing so, is going to depend on whether or not the DA proves that 'provocation' has occurred.

The video alone is not going to be the only evidence in the case, you are aware of that correct? Besides that, I don't think the videos themselves paint a clear cut case of self-defense. The DA apparently doesn't believe so either given the charges that he's leveled.

George Zimmerman says hi.