Police shooting black man in the back ... again (Kenosha, WI)

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n_huffhines said:
He deserved it

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Now on the surface that is a guy that I would protest for. Now it appears that there are some things about the interaction that I am shocked weren’t captured in the 10 second video.

He is outside of the car with his hands on his head. I am going to assume that he didn’t just get out of the car and put his hands on his head without a cop telling him to. What was that interaction like? Was he cussing out the cops or had a physical interaction with the cops and is now being compliant? I don’t know. In looking at him and his state I would give him the benefit of the doubt that he didn’t. Was he just in a high speed chase and was a danger to those around him? I don’t know.

There’s a lot about the situation that we don’t know and won’t know until the facts about the situation come out. Just looking at the video though no matter what this guy had done the kick in the back was uncalled for. He had his hands on his head and didn’t appear that he was going to resist. Even if you did have your guns drawn all you had to to was take his hands and cuff them. It appears they could’ve done that without the altercation.
 
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Smokey'sHandler said:
Now on the surface that is a guy that I would protest for. Now it appears that there are some things about the interaction that I am shocked weren’t captured in the 10 second video.

He is outside of the car with his hands on his head. I am going to assume that he didn’t just get out of the car and put his hands on his head without a cop telling him to. What was that interaction like? Was he cussing out the cops or had a physical interaction with the cops and is now being compliant? I don’t know. In looking at him and his state I would give him the benefit of the doubt that he didn’t. Was he just in a high speed chase and was a danger to those around him? I don’t know.

There’s a lot about the situation that we don’t know and won’t know until the facts about the situation come out. Just looking at the video though no matter what this guy had done the kick in the back was uncalled for. He had his hands on his head and didn’t appear that he was going to resist. Even if you did have your guns drawn all you had to to was take his hands and cuff them. It appears they could’ve done that without the altercation.
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The protests shouldn't really be about individual cases, they should be about the inherent issues with the CJS. If we focus on that instead of the fickleness of the mob, everything will work out. I have no hope that we'll do that.
 
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If he’s deceased then he wouldn’t be on it still. I’m pretty sure I saw evidence that he was indeed a registered sex offender.

It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if the guy’s registry was deleted in the past few days after his death because his past might have been brought up in court even if it has no bearing on the case. I can see the kid’s lawyers mentioning it. Who would want to convict someone that killed a sex offender?
 
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RockyTop85 said:
You can’t illegally shoot somebody and then shoot more people to facilitate your escape from the first shooting. @BeardedVol posted a WI law that establishes this. No question, IMO, that the Rosenbaum shooting provoked the subsequent altercation. If the Rosenbaum shooting was illegal, then he has no right to self defense under Wisconsin law.

This is my personal opinion.
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? Can the prosecution ask for change of Venue? All the cases I can think of it's the defense that requests this action. It has been mentioned that the jury will have to view the actions through the lens of what was happening and what was known at that moment. I raise this question because if I am Rittenhouse, I stay in Kenosha and try luck with a jury who just watched businesses get burned. I've not read all of the thread so apologies if this has been answered in the 14 pages I'm going back to read. TY.
 
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volfanjustin said:
Titans fans this is your QB
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Perfect example of why athletes should stay out of politics and keep their opinions to themselves.
It’s the same as using foul language in front of strangers or in a professional setting... some won’t be bothered at all, but some will.... so there’s no benefit to doing it.... just detriment.
 
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n_huffhines said:
The protests shouldn't really be about individual cases, they should be about the inherent issues with the CJS. If we focus on that instead of the fickleness of the mob, everything will work out. I have no hope that we'll do that.
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These absolutely should be about individual cases because they are outliers. Stats continue to prove that we do not have systemic problems with police brutality. Do we have occurrences? Yes we do and they need to be dealt with individually.

You cannot take a broad scale approach to solving individual issues. There were 15 unarmed black guys killed in 2019 out of 10s-100s of millions of police interactions with black people per year. Even if you were to take the low end of the spectrum on 10 million interactions that means you would have a .00015% chance when you encounter a police officer that you would be killed unarmed.

Why would you propose sweeping change for 0.00015%? It would make zero sense in any other instance.
 
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Smokey'sHandler said:
These absolutely should be about individual cases because they are outliers. Stats continue to prove that we do not have systemic problems with police brutality. Do we have occurrences? Yes we do and they need to be dealt with individually.

You cannot take a broad scale approach to solving individual issues. There were 15 unarmed black guys killed in 2019 out of 10s-100s of millions of police interactions with black people per year. Even if you were to take the low end of the spectrum on 10 million interactions that means you would have a .00015% chance when you encounter a police officer that you would be killed unarmed.

Why would you propose sweeping change for 0.00015%? It would make zero sense in any other instance.
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I generally agree with your premise, however the protests are about more than perceived police brutality, they are about their perception of disparate treatment in society because of their skin color. The police shootings, whether justified or not, are merely a catalyst, that bring the protesters out, IMO.
 
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Smokey'sHandler said:
These absolutely should be about individual cases because they are outliers. Stats continue to prove that we do not have systemic problems with police brutality. Do we have occurrences? Yes we do and they need to be dealt with individually.

You cannot take a broad scale approach to solving individual issues. There were 15 unarmed black guys killed in 2019 out of 10s-100s of millions of police interactions with black people per year. Even if you were to take the low end of the spectrum on 10 million interactions that means you would have a .00015% chance when you encounter a police officer that you would be killed unarmed.

Why would you propose sweeping change for 0.00015%? It would make zero sense in any other instance.
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Wow. So you don't think we need criminal justice reform?

I assure you, the instances where rights are unjustifiably denied by the war on drugs are not outliers.

I assure you, accidents from no knock raids are not outliers. They happen all the time.

And so on
 
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davethevol said:
If he’s deceased then he wouldn’t be on it still. I’m pretty sure I saw evidence that he was indeed a registered sex offender.

It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if the guy’s registry was deleted in the past few days after his death because his past might have been brought up in court even if it has no bearing on the case. I can see the kid’s lawyers mentioning it. Who would want to convict someone that killed a sex offender?
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Takes them weeks to remove people
 
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n_huffhines said:
Wow. So you don't think we need criminal justice reform?

I assure you, the instances where rights are unjustifiably denied by the war on drugs are not outliers.

I assure you, accidents from no knock raids are not outliers. They happen all the time.

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Do you have the stats on how many no knock raids happen in the US/yr.? And how many “accidents”/hospitalizations occur as a % of no knock raids per year?

The war on drugs I believe would be the most reasonable instance for bad police interactions as they would require more stop and frisk style interactions in highly affected areas. A question I would have though is how many deaths are caused per year in the black community due to drugs? I wouldn’t be too surprised if that number was high so would it not be a good thing to have a higher emphasis on drug policing?

You are going to have to get away from generalizations and start brining stats to the table in order to bring real change.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Idk how to use that site? How come I can't view his criminal record?
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Did you actually view his non-record on your own or just post somebody else’s “results” just as they did for Ngo? I mean if you did ok but if you didn’t then it’s just “I like my disinformation better than yours” 🤷‍♂️
 
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