Political Debate Sunday Night at my Church.....

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OrangeEmpire

OrangeEmpire

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Ken Blackwell (R) vs. Ted Strickland (D)

Governor's Race

Mike DeWine (R) vs. Sherrod Brown (D)

US Senate

1.) Good or bad to hold a debate at a church?

2.) Good or bad the Christian coalition of Ohio is advertising for it?

3.) Good or bad the Christian coalition of Ohio is making fliers where each candidate stands on particular issue.

4.) Good or bad either gubernatorial candidate "claims" to be an ordained minister? *Violation of Church and State?

5.) My church's stance is that we are trying to be fair by giving equal time to both sides. Do you buy it?

I'm saying a conservative estimate is that the crowd will be 80% GOP and 20% Democrat.
 
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Sorry, but religion should stay out of politics. If that's not obvious, I don't know what is.
 
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It will be a sad day when we completely seperate God from our country. :) :birgits_giggle:
 
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OWB said:
Considering that's how our founding fathers wanted it, I'm ok with it.
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Sorry, I misread that. I thought you were doing the seperation of church and state thing. Or is that exactly what you meant?
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
Now this would be a wonderful debate.......

Are you drawing just from Jefferson?
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I was talking about church and state, I'm not sure if that's what herksus was talking about.

Our founding fathers (most of them) were men of the enlightenment, no?
 
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OWB said:
Sorry, I misread that. I thought you were doing the seperation of church and state thing. Or is that exactly what you meant?
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Now you have me confused....your quoting yourself....:p

Ok,

1.) Should an ordained minister be allowed to run for office.

2.) Were you only referring to Jefferson with your founding fathers comment.

:eek:k:
 
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OWB said:
I was talking about church and state, I'm not sure if that's what herksus was talking about.

Our founding fathers (most of them) were men of the enlightenment, no?
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The founding fathers were men of enlightenment.....my personal belief is that most believed in a higher power but were not necessarily a born again christian.

In fact, I would be so bold to say that liberals now would have probably been closely alligned to the founding fathers, I think the republicans would have stayed with the King.

But I could be wrong.........:good!: :ill_h4h:
 
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Now you have me confused....your quoting yourself....:p
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If you can't convince them, confuse them.

Ok,

1.) Should an ordained minister be allowed to run for office.
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He has the right to run, he just shouldn't win. :)

2.) Were you only referring to Jefferson with your founding fathers comment.
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Most of our founding fathers were Deists. However, there were a few christians. Jefferson would fall into the first category. As would Washington, Franklin, Ethan Allen, Monroe and Madison amongst a few others.
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
The founding fathers were men of enlightenment.....my personal belief is that most believed in a higher power but were not necessarily a born again christian.

In fact, I would be so bold to say that liberals now would have probably been closely alligned to the founding fathers, I think the republicans would have stayed with the King.

But I could be wrong.........:good!: :ill_h4h:
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Yes, I would say that's pretty accurate..

Deism -belief in human reason as a reliable means of solving social and political problems and belief in a supreme deity who created the universe to operate solely by natural laws. The supreme God of the Deists removed himself entirely from the universe after creating it. They believed that he assumed no control over it, exerted no influence on natural phenomena, and gave no supernatural revelation to man. A necessary consequence of these beliefs was a rejection of many doctrines central to the Christian religion. Deists did not believe in the virgin birth, divinity, or resurrection of Jesus, the efficacy of prayer, the miracles of the Bible, or even the divine inspiration of the Bible.
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I think that using a pulpit for politcal discussions is not only wrong, but completely unethical. It is a clear example of using the power of a position to excert influence beyond to domain of the postion. A preacher's authority comes only from understanding and interpretation of the religions canon. Sure, there is crossover where alot of political issues are also religious issues, but the politics of an issue are very different from the issue itself. Religious figures have no buisiness in the political arena making politcal judgements in front of a congregation, just as politicians have no buisiness in the religious arena making religious interpretations in front of an electorate.
 
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I certainly don't think that persons of the church (priests, ministers, etc.) should recommend candidates or political parties. I don't see a problem with them discussing issues that have both political and religious connections though (e.g. abortion) as part of a sermon.

Likewise, I don't have a problem with a politician referring to his/her faith. I don't think they should subvert the will of the people though because of their religious beliefs.
 
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I think we are agreeing volinbham. The problem comes when more often than not political issues drive and dictate the content of the religious subject matter and discourse. For example, the amount of attention given to homosexuality in the bible is nowhere near proportional to the amount of attention it recieves from religious leadership. Even the frequency and occurance of gay marriage in society and its role in culture is way out of proportion to the amount of attention it recieves from the pulpit.
 
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volinbham said:
I certainly don't think that persons of the church (priests, ministers, etc.) should recommend candidates or political parties. I don't see a problem with them discussing issues that have both political and religious connections though (e.g. abortion) as part of a sermon.

Likewise, I don't have a problem with a politician referring to his/her faith. I don't think they should subvert the will of the people though because of their religious beliefs.
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:good!: :)

Yep, I can go with that.
 
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cibai said:
I think we are agreeing volinbham. The problem comes when more often than not political issues drive and dictate the content of the religious subject matter and discourse. For example, the amount of attention given to homosexuality in the bible is nowhere near proportional to the amount of attention it recieves from religious leadership. Even the frequency and occurance of gay marriage in society and its role in culture is way out of proportion to the amount of attention it recieves from the pulpit.
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Really? I've been to church almost every single Sunday since I was baptized (when I was about 4 months old), and I have never sat in on a sermon concerning homosexuality and/or gay marriage.
 
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therealUT said:
Really? I've been to church almost every single Sunday since I was baptized (when I was about 4 months old), and I have never sat in on a sermon concerning homosexuality and/or gay marriage.
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I grew up in a "hardcore" baptist church. The church I grew up in was "Distinctly" baptist. The church slogan is, "What good baptist churches used to be, we still are.".

We got the third degree about every thing.........I am even bold enough to say that the pastor is a racist and homophobe......

Of course we come from completely different backgrounds.........I got turned off of "church" for a long time.....
 
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My church experience during childhood wasn't very effective. I went often, but I guess you could say that I had more than enough skepticism to go around, even when I was really young. I just had too many questions that Sunday school teachers would get mad at me for asking.
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
I grew up in a "hardcore" baptist church. The church I grew up in was "Distinctly" baptist. The church slogan is, "What good baptist churches used to be, we still are.".

We got the third degree about every thing.........I am even bold enough to say that the pastor is a racist and homophobe......

Of course we come from completely different backgrounds.........I got turned off of "church" for a long time.....
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I sat in on a sermon a few months back in Atlanta (Christ the King Catholic Church, I believe) in which the priest made the point that we should enjoy life, that alcohol is a blessing to man kind (as long as it is handled with responsibility and moderation), etc. I doubt that same sermon would have flown in many baptist churches in the same city...
 
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