Poll: Do you wear a mask in stores?

Do you wear a mask in stores?

  • Yes

    Votes: 112 57.4%

  • No

    Votes: 83 42.6%
  • Total voters
    195
  • Poll closed .
#451
#451
FLVOL_79 said:
I didn't say you had to be in direct contact for a full 30 minutes. You know, for someone who had such "good SAT scores" you sure seem to not read so well.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372

And since you won't read it and/or comprehend it the virus is spread through sustained contact with an infected person with some research saying it might take up to 10 or even 30 minutes of sustained contact.
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Great! Now, show me where my "reading" is wrong, because the below seem like two very different statements to me.
FLVOL_79 said:
If I was asymptomatic I'd would have to be in direct contact with someone for around 10 to 30 minutes to spread the virus.
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Public health authorities define a significant exposure to Covid-19 as face-to-face contact within 6 feet with a patient with symptomatic Covid-19 that is sustained for at least a few minutes (and some say more than 10 minutes or even 30 minutes)
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Does the study even say that the virus is only spread through "significant exposures", or did you just forget to look for that part?
 
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#453
NashVol11 said:
Great! Now, show me where my "reading" is wrong, because the below seem like very different statements to me.






Does the study even say that the virus is only spread through "significant exposures", or did you just forget to look for that part?
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Good lord. You said that I said it takes a full 30 minutes. I never said that. As far as that being the "only way the virus is spread" the study doesn't say that. I'm sure you'd get it if someone spit in your mouth or in your face while walking past you. Are you standing next to someone who is sneezing and coughing? It might not take more than a minute to get exposed. It does say that in most cases it takes sustained exposure to a person who is infected. Sustained exposure means you aren't social distancing for a few minutes, 10 minutes, or even 30 minutes. Thats why most cases come from people hanging out around other people like a funerals, parties, restaurants, protests, etc. The study is on medical providers in a hospital setting where sustained exposure is very likely. I would also surmise that for mouth breathers yall might be higher risk for getting and/or spreading the virus.

So mask up, keep your distance, wash your hands.
 
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VolStrom said:
LOL I crack up when I see some old woman wearing a mask that she knitted and wouldn't stop one of my turds from going through it. Bless their hearts though, a mask won't save them, but their family probably will.
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Masks help a bit, but the majority of them only function as a sort of safety totem that helps the person think that they are safe or doing something good for other people when in reality it doesn't do anything. Like BLM protests.
 
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Hundreds of anti-mask protesters protected by armed militia and bikers gather at the Ohio statehouse saying face coverings are 'propaganda' and holding 'I will not wear someone else's fear' signs

Armed anti-mask protesters gathered outside the Ohio statehouse on Saturday for a 'civil disobedience rally' guarded by militia and military veterans.

Ohio does not yet have a statewide mandate on wearing masks but several groups converged Saturday afternoon to push back on the requirements already introduced in several counties.

Hundreds of maskless people crowded together outside the courthouse in Columbus to voice their anger, claiming a requirement for face coverings is an overreach by local officials.

Nearby, Black Lives Matter and civil rights activists held their own protest.

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A counter-protest began as demonstrators came out to support Black Lives Matter. One woman was pictured holding a BLM sign as she had a stand off with the anti-maskers before police came to form a line between the two groups

Hundreds of armed anti-mask protesters gather outside the Ohio statehouse | Daily Mail Online
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
With zero proof. The only thing that is proven in that article is that asymptomatic people can pass it, which no one is arguing against.
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It's impossible to prove whether asymptomatic or symptomatic people are causing more spread, but it does seem likely that your earlier assertion that "Asymptomatic transmission is so rare that science isn't even able to quantify its impact" is untrue. It can't be quantified, not because it's so rare, but because the ratio of symptomatic to asymptomatic spreaders isn't known. For all we know it's 75/25, 50/50 or 25/75.

You linked an article (April 1 from the New England Journal of Medicine) that also proved nothing. It gave the current thinking of the medical community at that time (nearly 4 months ago) but offered no proof. But since you apparently trust that publication and those specific doctors who contributed to that article you might be interested in another article they had published on June 3, also in the New England Journal of Medicine. Here is a quote from that article.
"We understand that some people are citing our Perspective article (published on April 1 at NEJM.org) as support for discrediting widespread masking. In truth, the intent of our article was to push for more masking, not less. It is apparent that many people with SARS-CoV-2 infection are asymptomatic or presymptomatic yet highly contagious and that these people account for a substantial fraction of all transmissions. Universal masking helps to prevent such people from spreading virus-laden secretions, whether they recognize that they are infected or not."

Notice they said substantial, not rare.
 
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#462
larjoranj said:
It's impossible to prove whether asymptomatic or symptomatic people are causing more spread, but it does seem likely that your earlier assertion that "Asymptomatic transmission is so rare that science isn't even able to quantify its impact" is untrue. It can't be quantified, not because it's so rare, but because the ratio of symptomatic to asymptomatic spreaders isn't known. For all we know it's 75/25, 50/50 or 25/75.

You linked an article (April 1 from the New England Journal of Medicine) that also proved nothing. It gave the current thinking of the medical community at that time (nearly 4 months ago) but offered no proof. But since you apparently trust that publication and those specific doctors who contributed to that article you might be interested in another article they had published on June 3, also in the New England Journal of Medicine. Here is a quote from that article.
"We understand that some people are citing our Perspective article (published on April 1 at NEJM.org) as support for discrediting widespread masking. In truth, the intent of our article was to push for more masking, not less. It is apparent that many people with SARS-CoV-2 infection are asymptomatic or presymptomatic yet highly contagious and that these people account for a substantial fraction of all transmissions. Universal masking helps to prevent such people from spreading virus-laden secretions, whether they recognize that they are infected or not."

Notice they said substantial, not rare.
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lol right there. I see your experience in the world of research hovers around the zero mark. Glad you found their attempt to back track their research out of fear. Read what you wrote. "Account for a substantial fraction of all transmissions"...now re-read that..let it sink in.

Let me guess..you double mask up in your car.
 
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#469
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Obviously mask don’t work, if they’re requiring them everywhere, then reopen everything and let’s get the economy rolling again.
 
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#470

Natural, biological , immune system .. do your thing . science is fun . Go herd immunity .
 
#471
#471
FLVOL_79 said:
lol right there. I see your experience in the world of research hovers around the zero mark. Glad you found their attempt to back track their research out of fear. Read what you wrote. "Account for a substantial fraction of all transmissions"...now re-read that..let it sink in.

Let me guess..you double mask up in your car.
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When they said something that supported your opinion in April they were credible. When they said something counter to your opinion in June they were back tracking out of fear.

I think people can see through your bullsh*t now
 
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#472
larjoranj said:
When they said something that supported your opinion in April they were credible. When they said something counter to your opinion in June they were back tracking out of fear.

I think people can see through your bullsh*t now
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They are still credible but it doesn't take a scholar to see that they are trying to not seem as if they are going against the grain of whats popular now which, lets be honest, can cost your livelihood nowadays.

The science is pretty solid though. Most masks don't filter out the virus. Masks don't protect your eyes which are another access point for the virus. Contraction of the virus requires some sort of sustained contact unless obviously you're into people sneezing or spitting in your face. Even with a mask sustained contact with an infected person sans social distancing puts you at high risk.

For the majority of people the masks only purpose is to serve as a psychological comfort. Thats why people pushing masks keep the definition of what is to be used as ambiguous as possible. Thats why people are wearing dumb sh!t like bandannas and crocheted yarn masks..things that literally offer zero protection against anything...but they think they do.
 
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